I think this thread was made with an intent for this to be ROTS Sidious (if it wasn't, feel free to correct me). Riverollv is new, he might not even know who DE Sidious is. No offense, if you meant for it to be Dark Empire Sidious, though.
With DE Sidious, the Sith Win. WIth ROTS Sidious, it's really tough for me to decide, but, I think Anakin could kill Ulic before Kun kills Revan. With ROTJ Sidious, I give the win to the Sith, thanks to Sidious' nonstop darkside studying.
How is this even a question, the Sith win. DE Sidious could beat any one of the other team members without much trouble. Say he takes on Yoda. Exar takes on Revan, Ulic takes on Anakin. DE Sidious beats Yoda first, then goes over and starts to fight Revan, Kun goes and helps Ulic take Anakin. De Sidious wins with just a little difficulty, same goes for Kun and Ulic.
Originally posted by darthsith19
How is this even a question, the Sith win. DE Sidious could beat any one of the other team members without much trouble. Say he takes on Yoda. Exar takes on Revan, Ulic takes on Anakin. DE Sidious beats Yoda first, then goes over and starts to fight Revan, Kun goes and helps Ulic take Anakin. De Sidious wins with just a little difficulty, same goes for Kun and Ulic.
Agreed. That's why I thought that he meant ROTS Sidious, that and because he's new.
Originally posted by Riverollv
yeah, we had pretty much made this clear. but what about ROTS Sidious? This would be more difficult to predict
Originally posted by darthsith19
Yeah, that'd be really close... IMO Vader and Ulic are on par, but Sidious could still take Yoda after a long duel and Exar could probably take Revan. Then together the 3 Sith would pwn Anakin badly. So I'd still give it to the Sith, but it'd be really close.
How could Sidious beat Yoda is he couldn't beat him in a force duel the first time and he lost the lightsaber portion of the duel? Yoda would win, especially on flat ground, notice how Sidious did NOT want to fight Yoda, and when he realised Yoda was the better duelist he tried to gain the high ground.
Exar vs Revan is very debatable.
It's funny how you ignore Ulic's improvement rate, yet fully take into consideration Kun's. That's what you'd call a double standard.
No, were not shown any of Ulics improvement, and really it doesn't compare to Kun's anyways so there's no point in listing it.
Ulic was most likely a greater saber duelist than Kun was
No.
given Kun spent the majority of his time studying sith magic, and the time that he actually dedicated to his saber combat, he started creating and mastering a saberstaff style, which again would take time off of the style he had used for his whole life.
And yet he found that style better, which allowed him to smash his old master who put up a much better fight while Kun was a padawan.
He didn't simply run away from her, he actually managed to hold her off.
No he didn't he blocked a few blows and ran:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=6&page=107
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=6&page=108
Its not that hard to parry blows from someone who's not all that skilled to begin with and is using the dark side, thus making her a berserker. Ulic who was once called a "Master Swordsman" didn't simply lose all his knowledge of how use a saber simply cause the force went away.
Sylvar was likely the most powerful supporting character in that whole comic books series
LOL who's ass did you pull that from? That would be Thon. Sylvar sucked, her biggest feats are killing some bugs and scratching Exars face. Oh yes most powerful indeed!
and she was being fueled by the darkside at the time, which would make her more ferocious and stronger.
And yet she still sucked so much that she couldn't even beat a forceless old Ulic Qel Droma
The fact that Ulic was able to hold her off, after being cut from the force and out of practise for 20 years, he'd pwn Anakin
No, it means:
A. Sylvar sucked
B. Ulic retained his knowledge of how to use a saber from his "masters swordsman" days
oh and Sylvar sucked.
'Crystal clear Anakin' doesn't even exist, as that whole argument is based on an invalid novelisation fightscene. Anakin sucks, and would get owned by Ulic.
The retard argues canon, argues the narrator, and argues valid explanations for Anakins DRAMATIC power increase. I doubt Ulic would last longer then Dooku.
To the point where he can kill 100s of stormtroopers at once with a storm of force lightning. DE Sidious would own Yoda.
That is Sidious at 1BBY which would be ANH, thats not DE Sidious he's still a ways off.
How could Sidious beat Yoda is he couldn't beat him in a force duel the first time and he lost the lightsaber portion of the duel? Yoda would win, especially on flat ground, notice how Sidious did NOT want to fight Yoda, and when he realised Yoda was the better duelist he tried to gain the high ground.
No, were not shown any of Ulics improvement, and really it doesn't compare to Kun's anyways so there's no point in listing it.
No he didn't he blocked a few blows and ran:
Its not that hard to parry blows from someone who's not all that skilled to begin with and is using the dark side, thus making her a berserker. Ulic who was once called a "Master Swordsman" didn't simply lose all his knowledge of how use a saber simply cause the force went away.
And yet she still sucked so much that she couldn't even beat a forceless old Ulic Qel Droma
No, were not shown any of Ulics improvement, and really it doesn't compare to Kun's anyways so there's no point in listing it.
Right, so because we're not shown how much Ulic improved, he therefor didn't improve as much as Kun? Great logic! 🙄
And yet he found that style better, which allowed him to smash his old master who put up a much better fight while Kun was a padawan.
Not mentioning that you totally ignored my evidence backing up my first point, how about proving that the reason Kun did better against Vodo was because he was actually more adept with his new style, and not because the style was alien to Vodo. Can't, can you? While you're at it, please prove that Kun would have improved to a greater degree than someone who actually expanded more upon a form they had been using their entire life, unlike Kun who started off from scratch with his saber staff.
No he didn't he blocked a few blows and ran:http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=6&page=107
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=6&page=108
Right, so because one panel shows him briefly running, that one panel represents the overall fight better than the other 8 which disagree? For the majority of the fight that is detailed in the comic, Ulic was completely holding her off.
Its not that hard to parry blows from someone who's not all that skilled to begin with
Bullshit. Sylvar is constantly displayed as one of the TotJ powerhouses, she was damn skilled.
and is using the dark side, thus making her a berserker.
Right, because it's not like the darkside makes one stronger. 🙄
It's not like the darkside makes someone more aggressive, and in turn much harder to defend against.🙄
Ulic who was once called a "Master Swordsman" didn't simply lose all his knowledge of how use a saber simply cause the force went away.
Being out of practise for two decades would make one lose their mastery. Now if you really want to continue this point, I'll just quote you from the other debate where you essentially say the same thing as I'm doing right now.
LOL who's ass did you pull that from? That would be Thon. Sylvar sucked, her biggest feats are killing some bugs and scratching Exars face. Oh yes most powerful indeed!
1. She defeated Exar Kun in a duel as a padawan.
2. She was able to own three strong darkside Massasi warriors in seconds with just her bare hands.
3. She was able to sneak up on Oss Wilum, described as being exceptional, and knock him to the ground with the hilt of her lightsaber.
4. She survived Kun's sith wars, and was stated as being one of the war's heroes/champions, and by Redemption, she became a jedi master.
5. She was tapping into the darkside while against Ulic, making her much more powerful, and much harder to defend against.
She was uber, and Ulic defended against that while having been cut off from the force twenty years beforeso, having been out of practise for same amount of time, and while holding himself back. Ulic owns, enough said.
And yet she still sucked so much that she couldn't even beat a forceless old Ulic Qel Droma
Ulic was simply that good, which has been my entire argument.
No, it means:A. Sylvar sucked
B. Ulic retained his knowledge of how to use a saber from his "masters swordsman" days
oh and Sylvar sucked.
Already dealt with.
The retard argues canon, argues the narrator, and argues valid explanations for Anakins DRAMATIC power increase. I doubt Ulic would last longer then Dooku.
Do you seriously want me to pull out how many contradictions there are between the novelisation fightscene and the movie one? It's 100% invalid.
That is Sidious at 1BBY which would be ANH, thats not DE Sidious he's still a ways off.
Your point? That in fact helps my argument, even many years before DE, Sidious would be able to own Yoda. Thanks for that man.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Sidious won the Force duel, actually, Yoda was losing the entire Force duel till the end. Sidious won that fight and there's no reason why he won't win again. Of coruse Sdiious tried to run, because there was to much at risk, think about it, if you had just took over the galaxy and someone you thought had a chance of beating you came to fight you wouldn't you run?
How did Kun improve more than Ulic?
Sylvar is skilled, she even got a hit in on Jedi Exar Kun and was the hero of her homeworld. The fact that Ulic was still able to match this strong Jedi in combat without the Force is very impressive. He would have some skill left with the saber but a lot of it would be gone.
Originally posted by allfg
Right, so because we're not shown how much Ulic improved, he therefor didn't improve as much as Kun? Great logic! 🙄
Ignoring that you totally ignored my evidence backing up my first point, how about proving that the reason Kun did better against Vodo was because he was actually more adept with his new style, and not because the style was alien to Vodo. Can't, can you? While you're at it, please prove that Kun would have improved to a greater degree than someone who actually expanded more upon a form they had been using their entire life, unlike Kun who started off from scratch with his saber staff.
Bullshit. Sylvar is constantly displayed as one of the TotJ powerhouses, she was damn skilled.
1. She defeated Exar Kun in a duel as a padawan.
2. She was able to own three strong darkside Massasi warriors in seconds with just her bare hands.
3. She was able to sneak up on Oss Wilum, described as being exceptional, and knock him to the ground with the hilt of her lightsaber.
4. She survived Kun's sith wars, and was stated as being one of the war's heroes/champions, and by Redemption, she became a jedi master.
5. She was tapping into the darkside while against Ulic, making her much more powerful, and much harder to defend against.
She was uber, and Ulic defended against that while having been cut off from the force twenty years beforeso, having been out of practise for same amount of time, and while holding himself back. Enough said.
Ulic was simply that good, which has been my entire argument.
Do you seriously want me to pull out how many contradictions there are between the novelisation fightscene and the movie one? It's 100% invalid.
Your point? That in fact helps my argument, even many years before DE, Sidious would be able to own Yoda. Thanks for that man. [/B]
No, but if you can't make an argument against the absence of proof, then there's nothing to talk about. Great logic!
While you're at it, please prove that Kun would have improved to a greater degree than someone who actually expanded more upon a form they had been using their entire life, unlike Kun who started off from scratch with his saber staff.
given Kun spent the majority of his time studying sith magic, and the time that he actually dedicated to his saber combat, he started creating and mastering a saberstaff style, which again would take time off of the style he had used for his whole life.
Learn to read, dipshit.
The style was as alien to Vodo as Kun was adapt to it, they're synonymous with each other.
This has got to be the dumbest shit I've heard in a long time. Seriously, this doesn't deserve a response, you are such a dumbass.
And since when did you become an authority of interpretation without logic? Kun was a saber prodigy who whiped the floor with Vodo as a padawan, it's only logical he would WTFPWN him as a DLOTS.
Irrelevant.
Wtf are you smoking? You plan on making shit up as a last resort to being wtfpwned in every debate?
As a padawan, she defeated Kun in a sparring match. It's in the source material, read it.
Except you can't quantify how strong they were and you conveniently forgot the part where they pwned her.
Their weaker ancestors were capable of taking out the very Ancient Sith you jerk off to, and they were described by the omniscient narrator as being able to use the darkside with great skill and precision. They could also take on jedi. Sylvar owned three of those bad boys in seconds with just her hands, and she never got owned by them, quit making shit up.
Oss Wilum was not described as exceptional anywhere. Stop making up shit just because you lack debating skills.
Yes he was, do some research.
No she wasn't, again stop making shit up.
Yes she was, in the TotJ Companion, and Power of the Jedi Sourcebook.
Yet Ulic stalemated her without the force. Sylvar is powerful indeed!
That doesn't make her weak, it makes Ulic strong.
She was never uber, try again.
Yes she was, and it's nice how you ignored all the disadvantages I just mentioned. The fact is, to achieve what Ulic did against any force user is a great achievement, let alone against someone like Sylvar.
Originally posted by allfg
While you're at it, please prove that Kun would have improved to a greater degree than someone who actually expanded more upon a form they had been using their entire life, unlike Kun who started off from scratch with his saber staff.given Kun spent the majority of his time studying sith magic, and the time that he actually dedicated to his saber combat, he started creating and mastering a saberstaff style, which again would take time off of the style he had used for his whole life.[/b]
Learn to read, dipshit.
This has got to be the dumbest shit I've heard in a long time. Seriously, this doesn't deserve a response, you are such a dumbass.
As a padawan, she defeated Kun in a sparring match. It's in the source material, read it.
Their weaker ancestors were capable of taking out the very Ancient Sith you jerk off to, and they were described by the omniscient narrator as being able to use the darkside with great skill and precision. They could also take on jedi. Sylvar owned three of those bad boys in seconds with just her hands, and she never got owned by them, quit making shit up.
Yes she was, in the TotJ Companion, and Power of the Jedi Sourcebook.
That doesn't make her weak, it makes Ulic strong.
And once again, your argument has been pwned. Thanks for playing.
Gee, where do we see Ulic needing to use his lightsaber in battle again after his fight with Kun? He didn't do it against Mandalore? There's no reason to suggest he practiced while waging war on the Republic. Kun however, created a unique style and logic suggests that in creating that new style, he obviously practiced it. Way to not refute anything, dumbass.
Wow, you're dumb. Clearly in his position (Sith Lord, War General) combat would be something he would inevitably face in one way or another (against the jedi, as a general in war), so why the feck wouldn't he keep up with his saber skills?
Actually the response was quite logical in regards to the ridiculously retarded post you made.
Lmao, I seriously don't think you understand how dumb you just sounded. Even ask AC who's on you side right now, and he'll tell you how what you just said makes zero sense.
I've read DLOTS 50+ times and I'm looking at it now. Stop embarassing yourself by making up shit.
You're read the comic over 50 times? Wow.. Can I say, geek? Well anyways, it looks like you're gonna have to read it another 50 times, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Youre embarassing yourself once again by making shit up, and posting something completely irrelevant.
How is posting a feat that shows how powerful Sylvar is irrelevant in proving that she was powerful? You're dumb. And please explain how I'm making shit up.
And I guess somebody hasn't opened up TSW because if you had, you would see her getting pwned by the Massassi warriors as Exar Kun departs from Ossus. Nice debating skills there jackass.
Ok, I'm not going to lie and say that I've read TSW over 50 times like you (wow, what a loser 😂 ), but I still can't recall this bs that you're spewing. What I do recall though, is you arguing this point before, and then having me prove you wrong. I can guarantee you're confusing this with Exar Kun force pushing her, like you did the last time.
Prove it, instead of making up shit and giving random sources. Because I know lightsnake has all of these sources and he has never mentioned them when arguing against Sylvar. So stop making shit up.
Oh my fricking days, right, so Lightsnake's really going to go out of his way to prove something that destroys his own argument. You're dumb.
It makes Ulic skillful with a saber and Sylvar no better than an average jedi.
Right sure thing.
And once again, your argument has been pwned. Thanks for playing.
And once again, you've butted into someone else's argument, and been owned. Thanks for proving you're a jackass, jackass.
Originally posted by allfg
Wow, you're dumb. Clearly in his position (Sith Lord, War General) combat would be something he would inevitably face in one way or another (against the jedi, as a general in war), so why the feck wouldn't he keep up with his saber skills?
Lmao, I seriously don't think you understand how dumb you just sounded. Even ask AC who's on you side right now, and he'll tell you how what you just said makes zero sense.
You're read the comic over 50 times? Wow.. Can I say, geek? Well anyways, it looks like you're gonna have to read it another 50 times, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Ok, I'm not going to lie and say that I've read TSW over 50 times like you (wow, what a loser 😂 ), but I still can't recall this bs that you're spewing. What I do recall though, is you arguing this point before, and then having me prove you wrong. I can guarantee you're confusing this with Exar Kun force pushing her, like you did the last time.
Oh my fricking days, right, so Lightsnake's really going to go out of his way to prove something that destroys his own argument. You're dumb.Right sure thing.
And once again, you've butted into someone else's argument, and been owned. Thanks for proving you're a jackass, jackass. [/B]
0..Good job getting pwned.