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Originally posted by Alliance
Thats only true assuming that this is a representative occurrence. American Idol has been most watched twice. Heck, 60 Minutes has won "most watched" more times. Should we then say that America is addicted to blasphemous news shows?

Since 2000 (post-reality TV debut), three years the top watched show has been a reality show, three years it has not.

Regardless US TV is not defined by reality shows nor is it limited to them. Certainly the US entertainment industry is not based on it.

Yet it IS a representative occurence. Many of the top rated shows are reality shows. Your wager has been lost.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yet it IS a representative occurence. Many of the top rated shows are reality shows. Your wager has been lost.

May I ask that you prove that most of the top rated shows are reality shows?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Right, let us evaluate American TV, and the reality shows, shall we.

America's Next Top Model, American Idol, The Hills ,The Survivor, Laguna Beach, The Girls Next Door, Beauty and the Geek ...etc.

Implying that anyone watches these trash shows for any reason other than to feel amused at other people getting hurt and humiliated is like saying one goes to watch nas car races to see people take left turns all day.

I would argue that American Idol, America's Next Top Model, and Survivor are not exploitive. These programs are competitions that celebrate ingenuity and talent.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
May I ask that you prove that most of the top rated shows are reality shows?

The word is 'many', and just look at Nielsen.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yet it IS a representative occurence. Many of the top rated shows are reality shows. Your wager has been lost.

In addition to Seraphim's request, I'd like to know how you're measuring "most popular."

Are we discussing one night viewership? or most views throughout the season? or highest average viewship?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The word is 'many', and just look at Nielsen.

Ah, I apologize.

So ... May you prove that many of the top rated television shows today are reality programs?

Percentage viewing of regularly scheduled shows- the industry standard for judging show popularity.

No matter which way you cut it, Alliance. The fact that the MOST popular US tv show right now is a reality show, as are many of the most popular ones, kills your wager stone dead. It is impossible to deny that they are a significant factor in US tv right now. Whether Lil is overstating it or not, you went wayy too far in the other direction.

Yeah, so, to summarize...not all of the US entertainment is based on Reality Shows but a big part is .... can we go on to talk about....some.....other stuff....now?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Ah, I apologize.

So ... May you prove that many of the top rated television shows today are reality programs?

I don't need to prove it; Nielsen figures have already done that work.

Reality shows top it twice over for 2006; then comes CSI to the rescue for dramas. After that- Football.

I see Deal or no Deal is in there as well. That's based aroun a similar concept.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The word is 'many', and just look at Nielsen.

Try 4 of top ten for this season so far. And 6 of the top 20. Not many enough, especially when you account for that there are only two shows in that category (American idol on different nights and Dancing with the stars show and results show)

By the way. Can you address my earlier point about how a show being most watched is representative of an entire industry?

I think you'll find if you look at the list past just the top ten you'll find loads of the damn things in there in, say, the top 100. Or 50. or 20. However you want to put it. And they top the list too. You're trying to wriggle out now, Alliance, but your point is rather scuppered.

And I think it's a damn good barometer of the industry. Probably the best.

Furthermore the trend is growing. Not just in the US either.

Well on the site I'm using, it onyl goes up to 20. No reality TV show even makes it in the top 15 (shown limit) on cable TV.

Making up statistics doens't prove your point. Nor does saying I'm wrong.

I think you're in a fairly difficult position tying to say that 30% of america's top 20 shows are a great indicator of what the American TV industry is.

Prove the trend is growing and growing globally.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Ah, I apologize.

So ... May you prove that many of the top rated television shows today are reality programs?

Originally posted by Alliance
Well on the site I'm using, it onyl goes up to 20. No reality TV show even makes it in the top 15 (shown limit) on cable TV.

Making up statistics doens't prove your point. Nor does saying I'm wrong.

I think you're in a fairly difficult position tying to say that 30% of america's top 20 shows are a great indicator of what the American TV industry is.

Prove the trend is growing and growing globally.

Many? I see two or three there. Wow, so many.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Many? I see two or three there. Wow, so many.

Large number is totally subjective. If you look at the top two it is 2/2...100%, that is an incredibly large number.

To you many seems to be 50% or more...or maybe even a random number....what is many? 10? 100? 100000000000000000?

Actually there were 4. 20%

Originally posted by Bardock42
Large number is totally subjective. If you look at the top two it is 2/2...100%, that is an incredibly large number.

To you many seems to be 50% or more...or maybe even a random number....what is many? 10? 100? 100000000000000000?

Strawman. Haven't seen that in a while.

Four shows were listed out of twenty. 16 > 4.

He stated MANY were reality programs. MANY = MAJORITY.

4 > 16? Didn't think so.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Strawman. Haven't seen that in a while.

Four shows were listed out of twenty. 16 > 4.

He stated MANY were reality programs. MANY = MAJORITY.

4 > 16? Didn't think so.

Oh no, sorry, got the wrong definition of many, many does in no way equal majority. And if it would, you had lost already, for lets look at the Top 2 shows:

1 American Idol (Tuesday) (Fox) 31.20

2 American Idol (Wednesday) (Fox) 28.89

100%...big ****ing majority, seems like not only "many" but all top shows in the US are reality.

Also, 4 of 16 in a matter where there are 10+ genres is a large number and you can certainly speak of many. It makes a big part of your Top shows. Not the biggest, but without a doubt one that is not to be disregarded.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh no, sorry, got the wrong definition of many, many does in no way equal majority. And if it would, you had lost already, for lets look at the Top 2 shows:

1 American Idol (Tuesday) (Fox) 31.20

2 American Idol (Wednesday) (Fox) 28.89

100%...big ****ing majority, seems like not only "many" but all top shows in the US are reality.

Also, 4 of 16 in a matter where there are 10+ genres is a large number and you can certainly speak of many. It makes a big part of your Top shows. Not the biggest, but without a doubt one that is not to be disregarded.

A large indefinite number: A good many of the workers had the flu.

Many is to be more than the secondary entity, Bardock. It would make it essentially parallel to a majority.

Those are the top two shows, yes, but sixteen others qualify within the category of being on that list. So, because two are "one" and "two", this qualifies the reality shows of making up for many on that list?

MANY on that list are NOT reality shows. It's simple.

Sixteen is a larger number than four. MANY is what is NOT reality.

Get over it.