Aside from your interesting opinion on overthinking. I disagree with almost everything you've stated.
Originally posted by ApolloknightNot thinking and just going with your first impression has been more of a bane in reading these comics than anything. Taking the time to think about it and wonder why a professional writer, whose very job it is to create comics that people will not only like but accept, wrote the things he did is far more revealing than your gut instinct tp scream PIS.
More so in some cases, which makes writers more biased if they are writing for a favorite character, such as cap.This is not an acceptable excuses for everything a streetleveler does.
This is not a way to explain, even when outmatched in every category, and tremendously outclassed in strength, like a bebe gun against a Tank.
This is why we have PIS/CIS on this forum, because writers can be biased, and write their streetlevelers doing dumb stupid things. Cap is no exception, as with wolverine, black panther, batman etc....
Sometimes, its easily to be blinded by thought consumed by more thought.
Originally posted by ApolloknightCap was not moved by an enraged She-Hulk's multiple shots in 'Avengers Dissassembled,' where he kept his footing like he does in the Namor scan. In your scans, Cap is in mid-air with no footing and therefore no bracing.
See this is were your wrong, caps shield does absorb force, but vibranium does have limits, if this limit is reached, he can be knocked back even if he directly blocks said attack with shield.Iron fist for one, has proven this.
http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capironfist3hi6.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capironfist4qg9.jpgAnd IF has proven it again....
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Originally posted by ApolloknightAt this point, I was tempted to disregard the rest of your post. Because you act so smart, but you don't even know that Cap's shield has no adamantium in it whatsoever. It's a vibranium and steel alloy. This lack of knowledge convinces me you know little about Cap or his shield and presume too much. But I will address EVERY single one of your following points to show you why they fail. Perhaps it will convince you to read more Captain America or at least some sloppy respect/bio thread.
Is cap ok, Yes.
Is the shield intact, Yes, but not due to the vibranium, but the [b]adamatium and steel alloy which is also mixed with the shield, which we all know, adamatium is pretty much indestructible, but doesn't absorb force, and can be knocked around.[/B]
Originally posted by ApolloknightCap's shield is NOT defined by vibranium. The vibranium aspect of his shield helps to explain why it dampens applied force. Vibranium can absorb a certain amount of energy/force. After that, it becomes unstable and/or it needs to release that energy. These are two defining characteristics of vibranium. These aspects are clearly illustrated in your own scans. Cap's shield has NEVER become unstable and NEVER released any absorbed energy. This discounts the storyline where the after-effects of Cap trying to mentally repair his shield after the Beyonder destroyed it, but did it with a molecular flaw, which caused his shield to cause a vibration cancer. Other than that, his shield has never become unstable or needed to release pent up energy. This is unlike USAgent's pure vibranium shield. So understand this, from now on, you want everybody to be convinced that vibranium defines Cap's shield and reacts similar to other constructs of vibranium. You want us to project the said weakness onto his shield. Unfortunately, you're absolutely wrong. Cap only shares one trait with vibranium, force absorption and not anything else. It is utterly unique. It has been pounded and pounded again and never damaged, never unstable unless on an insanely molecular level, like Thanos' Infinity Gauntlet, Beyonder's power or the Odinforce. It's characteristics have NEVER been duplicated.
Is Black panther Ok, no, is his vibranium suit intact, NO, IF took the vibranium to its kinetic force limit. his suit couldn't hold the energy being directed at it, and broke down. SimpleWhat do we have, IF, with his "IF" attack, which IMO is at least class 15-20 attacks, knocked cap back, and shredded panthers suit.
Namors strength>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IF
Originally posted by ApolloknightAll I need to do is question you and your knowledge of what defines Cap's shield. You would probably be right if Cap's shield was pure vibranium. Except it isn't. It is the most unique alloy created by a process that has never been reproduced. So your entire analysis fails since two of vibranium's defining characteristics are clearly and indisputably not shared by Cap's shield.
No, it absorbs the kinetic force of blunt impactsIf someone where to place their hands on vibranium, and begin to push, you could push it, just as long as you don't release you grip, and try to charge it, you'll drop like a fly, unless your force is greater then the limits of the vibranium. Slow force applied to it, will not be negated.
Need proof
http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29ya1.jpg
I believe Ironman, one of the smartest in all of marvel, understands what I just said, question is, Do you?
Originally posted by ApolloknightDidnt need to quote the rest of your argument since your entire argument is based off vibranium absorbing everything that touches it.
Didnt need to quote the rest of your argument since your entire argument is based off vibranium absorbing everything that touches it.Point.
Point. Set. Match.
Thank you for providing me a very succinct conclusion to every single point you've made. I couldn't have done it better myself. But you see... I did quote the rest of your argument.
Originally posted by ApolloknightOnly, Iron Fist punched when Cap was in the air and could not brace and bring his full strength or his full weight to counteract the applied force coming back at him. You must understand, in the end, your use of Iron Fist hitting Cap's shield is pretty laughable. Especially considering Cap withstanding the kind of crap that has hit him and not budging when he is bracing himself. Gladiator? Enraged She-Hulk? Mjolnir? Ultimately, you thought you were right, and you were quite logical in your posts and you had a good flowing argument. But your mistakes and assumptions with Cap's shield ultimately undermined your entire argument. Cap's shield is unique. It is not defined by vibranium, which has many weaknesses on its own. Vibranium's weaknesses, which you posit would make Cap's shield vulnerable have NEVER been shared by his shield. This fact is INDISPUTABLE. Because we've never seen his shield overloaded or unstable or in the act of releasing pent up energy.
Namor can do anything he wants to caps shields, He could, Punch the shield with his 65,000 ton battleship tossing strength, and while cap might block it, the kinetic force of the vibranium will be overloaded, and cap will go flying through every building accoss four city blocks, because, as you have no choice but to accept.....Namors strength>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Iron fist
He could, grab the shield, and push cap through whatever he wants, he could grab the shield, take it from cap while ripping his arm off with it, and beat him to death with it, like I said, he can do whatever the hell he wants.
He is FAAAAAAAAAR to strong for cap.
This fight is a slaughter,
namor shitstomps cap 10/10
This is basic Cap knowledge. In fact, in many Cap comics, the writers will directly contrast Cap's shield with pure vibranium shields. It was a good debate, but ultimately, this is how Cap's shield works and why the scan I posted is not PIS. Cheers.
