Originally posted by pr1983
yes, should allow... he's written as being a guy with a healing factor that ways what, a few hundred pounds?
Not sure what weight has to do with any thing
Originally posted by pr1983
no enhanced strength or durability (bar the hf and the skeleton), no incredibly enhanced speed, nothing of the sort,
He does though. His character was original designed to have spiderman level stats even strength as stated in the back of “The Ultimate X-Men Guide”. Though his strength was dropped and he was given a healing factor, it never once said any thing about agility or reflex being altered. His strength dropped from Spidermans level to 2 ton’s range. His superhuman strength has been shown even back during some of his very first issues as an uncanny x-man. In (x-men # 98) which is the 6th issue Logan was ever in as an Uncanny X-Men he breaks chains that were stated to be unbreakable simply because he was angry some guy hit jean. Wolverine also has enhanced durability given to him by the weapon x project by chemically inducing his muscle which also granted him greater superhuman strength as stated in the weapon x noval. Wolverine has always had superhuman reflexes from the start his character was designed to have these abilities. They even show his superhuman reflexes since one of his first issue which is X-Men issue 110: were wolverine cuts a rocket dart out of the air. Wolverine is superhuman in every area since his creation.
Originally posted by pr1983
and yet, he's fighting guys like hulk
You mean the character he was originally designed to fight? You mean the guy who KO Wendigo in his first appearance in hulk 181. You are talking about a guy who in some of his very first solo titles fought people like tiger shark, wendigo, Ba’al as well as other high strength level characters. You mean the guy who fought and KOed grey hulk in incredible hulk issue 340. Logan has been fighting hulk through out his career even from the start as well as many other high level characters. You don’t think Logan should fight the hulk even though he has done it 14 times and was designed to be a hulk rouge.
Originally posted by pr1983
and spidey,
You think spiderman should kick wolverine ass even though marvel disagrees? They have foughten 4 times and spiderman has never won. If it was not for webbing spiderman would lose pretty much every time. Logan has been this way from the start and yet you feel it “out of his powers”? Do you know any thing about wolverine? You clearly know little to nothing and yet you think you can accurately gauge “what his powers should be”.
Originally posted by pr1983
who by all means should be kicking his ass up and down times square...
Why, because your bias? He been doing these things from the start. He a superhuman who designed to battle bricks as well as other meta humans. Wolverine can’t defeat hulk that is true, however he can sure as hell battle him a good long time. Spiderman can not and should not kick Wolverine ass. Spiderman’s only way of taking down Logan would be to use webbing besides that he be unable to stop Logan. It has been shown from the start that he can take what ever Spiderman can dish out. Have you ever even seen wolverines rouges? Sabertooth, lady death strike and omega red are all meta humans with superhuman strength, speed, agility and reflex as well as other abilities. Those are just three off the top of my head.
Originally posted by pr1983
people like me?
Yes people like you. You know absolutely nothing about the character and yet you think you should be the one, who decides what he can and can not do.
Originally posted by pr1983
listen here. i started reading x-men in the 80s.
Good for you to bad you never retained any of that knowledge.
Originally posted by pr1983
when i was in school, i was the only kid who didn't like wolverine, he was everyone elses favourite character. for years i listened to 'wolverine this, and wolverine that'
So, because of that you feel he should be unable to battle people he was designed to battle? So, because your mad about your child hood that means Logan should get stomped by spiderman? Very grown up of you lol.
Originally posted by pr1983
i am on NO bandwagon. '
Could have fooled me
Originally posted by pr1983
i didnt like the guy when he was being written decently, and do you know why?
That does not give you the write to be ignorant. Written decently? Your bias aginst his character is extremely obvious and childish.
Originally posted by pr1983
bandwagon. don't even try to pull that shit with me...
Why not? You have proven to be bias against him and ignorant of his character and his abilities from the start.
Originally posted by pr1983
As i said:
Look above. I have already stated that Logan had all those abilities from the start.
Originally posted by pr1983
Why? was he not supposed to?
The point was that you are saying he been written over his abilities and yet if that was true he would have defeated sentry.
Originally posted by pr1983
ok, so tell me this: he can beat namor, wendigo and match hulk, and yet for everytime he and cyclops have in any way come to blows, cyclops has had the majority...
Your whole argument has been the fact that Logan has over time been written beyond his abilities. Logan knocked out Wendigo and battle the Hulk logan before he ever fought Cyclopes. So by your logic that would mean Cyclopes is going beyond his abilities.
Also by the way Cyclopes has never once defeat Wolverine. He beat a mind control wolverine who was in the air falling.
Originally posted by pr1983
by that rational, i could say cyclops could match wendigo and hulk... but i don't, why?
By your logic Cyclopes takig Logan on would be beyond his abilities since he battle hulk and wendigo log before ever fighting cyclopes
Originally posted by pr1983
because he has defined powers. enhanced strength and speed don't come into it for him whatsoever, and yet he's matched logan...
He never defeat wolverine before. Also Cyclopes shot laser out of his eyes, who needs superhuman stats when you can do that. Also Logan has superhuman agility, strength, reflex, speed, durability, stamina, healing factor and senses.
Originally posted by pr1983
and thats just one example...
Which was a bad example.