Can an atheist be spiritual?

Started by Alliance7 pages

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because thats the very definition of the word.

Can you scientifically prove spirits' existence? No, so there you go.

Do we need to scientifically prove a spirits existance? no. Can we logically prove it. Maybe. So I don't see a problem with my opinon.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Just because an atheist practices martial arts, does yoga, and meditates while listening to ambience CD's doesn't mean theyre 'spiritual'.

Then I guess you should really re-examine your definition of spiritual, especially in the context of meditation.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
🤨............

🤨

Originally posted by Alliance
🤨

My bad, I should've explained what I meant by "🤨". By that I meant, what do you mean? Can you explain why you think "nature has a soul", and also as an athiest, can you define "soul" in the manner youre using it?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

Can you scientifically prove spirits' existence? No, so there you go.

There's very little that you can "scientifically prove" in the social sciences, or at least anything very interesting or meaningful. There really is no empirical support to scientifically conclude that, in this case, there is no spirit or whatever. Basically, what you've done is apply a theoretical perspective or "lens" to a set of observations. The conclusion you've come to is really the result of the way you chose to interpret the evidence, and it doesn't represent any sort of irrefutable logic or connection. At some point you crossed the line from scientific observation into the realm of metaphysical speculation.

Of course, the lack of empirical evidence of 'spirit' gives you reason to doubt its existence to varying degrees depending on how illogical someone's definition is, but that doesn't mean you can categorically deny its existence with any finality.

And I'm not sorry to say that to investigate what 'spirit' is, will probably require a spiritual, not a scientific approach to uncover. Based on the evidence at hand, all we can say is that 'spirit' is something that exists within subjective experience or that it is a label that we attach something we experience subjectively. A person would have to gain a personal understanding of what it is that people are referring to when they speak of spirit (and it would likely be different for every person based on their experiences and understanding etc) by experiencing it for themselves. And finally, they would have to figure out what it might correspond to that could be measured and observed using scientific methods. In the end, you wouldn't conclude that 'spirit' exists, only that it refers to a valid experience (practically the same thing), which I would say is something you already knew. It was just the nature of that experience that was a mystery.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I'm not sure that's possible....you probly have to try extra hard to make your point without insulting someone

Anyone catch the irony of all the folks insulting me while pointing out that I insult people a lot?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anyone catch the irony of all the folks insulting me while pointing out that I insult people a lot?

I insult people when they deserve it....and when I say "deserve it" I mean when a person states something entirely ignorant and hateful, which a lot of people on these forums do.

You insult people simply because:

1) You disagree with them

2) You think what they said is "stupid"

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I insult people when they deserve it....and when I say "deserve it" I mean when a person states something entirely ignorant and hateful, which a lot of people on these forums do.

You insult people simply because:

1) You disagree with them

2) You think what they said is "stupid"

Anyone catch the irony that is second point is similar to the reasons why he insults people?

Also, you misunderstood what I said, Urizen.

I can understand that Shakya and you think that I insult anyone I want, for no reason, that is not the case though. Like you I insult people that say something ignorant, it just happens that you two are actually people that are ignorant or severely dumb in many cases.

Now, could we please get back on topic? It's okay if he doesn't want to answer me on topic, but he should rather shut the **** up then and not talk about how I insult him and others all the time, that is, for one, insulting to me and also absolutely off topic.

Can I consider this matter settled now?

Please work out your differences via PM. And member bashing will under no circumstances be tolerated.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I can understand that Shakya and you think that I insult anyone I want, for no reason, that is not the case though. Like you I insult people that say something ignorant, it just happens that you two are actually people that are ignorant or severely dumb in many cases.

Are you somehow immune from ignorance ? 😬

If not, then shut the **** up

Originally posted by Storm
Please work out your differences via PM. And member bashing will under no circumstances be tolerated.

Sorry Storm

Re: Can an atheist be spiritual?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you do not believe in god or anything mystical, can you be spiritual?

And if the answer is no, are you missing out on an important part of the human experience?

Despite Sence, No.

sure, why not?

Re: Re: Can an atheist be spiritual?

Originally posted by JacopeX
Despite Sence, No.

Why not ?

I don't beleive in God, but I beleive in the Human Spirit and the Spirit of Nature..does that not make me spiritual ?

Why does a soul have to be supernatural?

You'd have to define soul then before any argument can be made, but because of varying views on what a soul is the argument can be a difficult one to have.

Originally posted by Nellinator
You'd have to define soul then before any argument can be made, but because of varying views on what a soul is the argument can be a difficult one to have.

I'm talking about the biblical definition of a soul, or spirituality.

For me I do not believe in any thing supernatural, be it ghosts, spirits or the like. There are many unexplained things but that is it for me “unexplained” but that doesn’t make it supernatural.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Are you somehow immune from ignorance ? 😬

If not, then shut the **** up

Yes, I happen to be.

It's a curse.....yet a gift.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I'm talking about the biblical definition of a soul, or spirituality.
You mean, can you be an atheist but believe that the biblical soul exists....well, no, that won't work out.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
For me I do not believe in any thing supernatural, be it ghosts, spirits or the like. There are many unexplained things but that is it for me “unexplained” but that doesn’t make it supernatural.

We agree.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We agree.

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Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
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