Originally posted by leonidas
i assume prime has the GL ring? you'd have some people saying that if CURRENT, REGULAR superman pulled g into t-vo he would have a chance to win . . .not me, but still, it would be out there.
with a ring, and the ability to nullify any weakness he MAY still have, and only an avg g, i'd say prime could take him based on what we know of solaris's power level and of prime's OWN herald -- superman 1M. if prime can grant GALACTIC level power (1M's ability to impact an ENTIRE GALAXY is a greater display of power than any ever displayed by the ss) then we can safely say i think that prime is well above galactic level which would put him somewhere in the neighborhood at least of an avg galactus -- imho.
with a ring to boot i see no reason why prime couldn't win this, though it's always hard to debate prime. hopefully his upcoming series will shed light on him. 🙂
Originally posted by janus77
well, why not have a thread for Wolverine with the GL ring versus Galactus.
this is speculation taken to "Storm hangs with Galactus" levels, outside of some evidence.Galactus wiped out a universe with a mere gesture.
if Galactus saw fit, he'd grant SS power enough to wipe out several galaxies and still not even exert himself.we've got a genuine universe creator/destroyer in Galactus, versus a possible universal power in Superman Prime.
even if Prime lived upto the speculative billing he'd still fall far short of Galactus.
g has NEVER wiped out the universe with a gesture while he has been in control of his hunger. that scene of him wiping out the universe came while he was being manipulated by a celestial. nor has he ever created a universe -- at least not using his own powers.
and of course prime is speculatory. 🙂
that's part of the fun of debating him. but based on what solaris did, on what 1M has done and given that this is just an 'average' version of galactus and not the manipulated universe-busting galactus, i see no reason to say that prime may not be in his league. 🙂
speculating about possibilities is fun, but they must have something of a framework of factual/circumstantial evidence to hang upon.
Galactus has the power to wipe out the universe, the celestial merely utilised Galactus as a tool - the power was inherent, wouldn't you say?
seeing as Galactus feeds upon planets, I wouldn't imagine there's much call for him to wipe out galaxies left, right and centre. although he has done that, in the course of a battle.
the thing is, you're speculating so as to let Superman Prime reach what is an +established+ base level for Galactus. if we were to play with the idea (the powerset and feats) of Galactus a little, similarly, we'd be able to push him up to god knows what levels...
at any rate, until we see some of Superman Prime's galactic/universal power ... 🙂
Originally posted by janus77
speculating about possibilities is fun, but they must have something of a framework of factual/circumstantial evidence to hang upon.
Galactus has the power to wipe out the universe, the celestial merely utilised Galactus as a tool - the power was inherent, wouldn't you say?seeing as Galactus feeds upon planets, I wouldn't imagine there's much call for him to wipe out galaxies left, right and centre. although he has done that, in the course of a battle.
the thing is, you're speculating so as to let Superman Prime reach what is an +established+ base level for Galactus. if we were to play with the idea (the powerset and feats) of Galactus a little, similarly, we'd be able to push him up to god knows what levels...
at any rate, until we see some of Superman Prime's galactic/universal power ... 🙂
few facts, true enough, but judging by the power he's handed out -- easily a match for what galactus has done we are at least in a position to speculate. if one of his herald's can have galactic level powers . . .
and would i say the power to wipe out a universe is inherent in galactus? no, not necessarily. we've never seen him show anything close to that level before. the only time he did was when he was not able to be sated. he had an ability to continually absorb infinite amounts of energy thanks to the dreaming celestial's tampering. we have no way to say galactus is able to absorb THAT much energy in a normal state. and what IS 'base' level for galactus in any event? too hard to judge. w ho do you say is a match for him at this level?
i think our difference here is not so much whether or not prime can be at this level, (though you sound like me in a number of prime threads -- seeking evidence to support suppositions 😄) but what this level means. you seem to be interrpreting an average powered galactus as something of a galaxy destroyer, or beyond. even in his battle with tyrant, it wasn't galactus himself who wiped out the galaxies, but TWO galactus-level beings trying to kill each other who wiped them out. but even skyfathers can wipe out galaxies, so even that feat isn't that spectacular.
hmm, i could turn this around a bit too. you keep asking for proof of prime's level, but . . . what huge feat does an 'average-powered galactus' have that would make me doubt prime (with a GL ring) could be at that level? 🙂
Originally posted by breeze85
As I have said for a thousand of times there are too few feats to gauge Prime's power level. Yet nothing indicates that he would be equal to beings like Galactus.
And nothing indicates that he isn't beyond Galatus level..... he has 0 low feats and some high feats....
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Galant here knows best of Superman Prime, since he have every comic he've appeared in.
Everyone who read the respekt thread knows as much about SP as Galan007......
There aren't a lot of comics he appeared, I guess some other have them too 😉.
Originally posted by janus77
speculating about possibilities is fun, but they must have something of a framework of factual/circumstantial evidence to hang upon.
Galactus has the power to wipe out the universe, the celestial merely utilised Galactus as a tool - the power was inherent, wouldn't you say?
🙂
I agree.
Originally posted by leonidas
the only time he did was when he was not able to be sated.he had an ability to continually absorb infinite amounts of energy thanks to the dreaming celestial's tampering.
we have no way to say galactus is able to absorb THAT much energy in a normal state. and what IS 'base' level for galactus in any event?
Don't know if this helps but,
When Normal Galactus died:
"The True FORM of Galactus is Revealed at last"
"A New STAR is BORN" ..................... "Reed, what happened"?
"Galactus has been Converted to ENERGY ...
Energy that will Radiate For EVER Outward"
Evidently, Galactus is made up of Infinite Energy,
but apparently while in his armor, needs refills.
dontgetit
Me neither.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Don't know if this helps but,When Normal Galactus died:
"The True FORM of Galactus is Revealed at last"
"A New STAR is BORN" ..................... "Reed, what happened"?
[B]"Galactus has been Converted to ENERGY ...
Energy that will Radiate For EVER Outward"
Evidently, Galactus is made up of Infinite Energy,
but apparently while in his armor, needs refills.
dontgetit
Me neither. [/B]
Originally posted by Mr Master
From Reed?😕
Which when you consider the fact that the universe expands makes perfect sense. A wave coursing through the universe will never reach the end, unless it is traveling faster then light.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Nonsense, all he said was that the energy would radiate forever outward...
How does this mean anything else besides what it obviously means?
Radiate means to "Emit"
So Galactus is Emitting Energy outward .. For Ever ...
Originally posted by King Kandy
Which when you consider the fact that the universe expands makes perfect sense. A wave coursing through the universe will never reach the end, unless it is traveling faster then light.
You said my statement was "Nonsense?" ... when it was exactly what Reed said,
now you post this ...
I won't call it "nonsense" ... I'll just reply.
Where is this stated about Galactus?
Or is this a personal theory concerning Galactus' Energy emission?
Reed didn't say anything about some Energy being emitted and that same amount of energy would be travelling outward because of any Universal expansion.
"A New STAR is BORN" ..................... "Reed, what happened"?
"Galactus has been Converted to ENERGY ...
Energy that will Radiate For EVER Outward"
Simple, effective, no?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Nonsense, all he said was that the energy would radiate forever outward...Which when you consider the fact that the universe expands makes perfect sense. A wave coursing through the universe will never reach the end, unless it is traveling faster then light.
Well by that logic, every time a star goes nova the light emissions should forever radiate outward. Energy also dissipates, per the law of conservation of energy. There are also properties in space that inhibit waves from just "coursing through space," i.e. black holes, nebulae, and so on.
For something to radiate it must have a source. To be perpetually radiating, that means the the source emits and infinite amount. Every sentence constructed with the word radiate involves a source, i.e. the sun radiating light (literal), the emperor radiated energy (metaphorical), the radiance of the sky, and so forth.
I think you're confusing energy that radiates vs. energy that travels, which has already left its source and is free from its control, ie the sonic boom of a concord.
Originally posted by TenebrousYou're confusing comics with real life. dur
Well by that logic, every time a star goes nova the light emissions should forever radiate outward. Energy also dissipates, per the law of conservation of energy. There are also properties in space that inhibit waves from just "coursing through space," i.e. black holes, nebulae, and so on.For something to radiate it must have a source. To be perpetually radiating, that means the the source emits and infinite amount. Every sentence constructed with the word radiate involves a source, i.e. the sun radiating light (literal), the emperor radiated energy (metaphorical), the radiance of the sky, and so forth.
I think you're confusing energy that radiates vs. energy that travels, which has already left its source and is free from its control, ie the sonic boom of a concord.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]"Galactus has been Converted to ENERGY ...Energy that will Radiate For EVER Outward"
Evidently, Galactus is made up of Infinite Energy,
but apparently while in his armor, needs refills.
dontgetit
Me neither. [/B]
that is kinda ridiculous, but more importantly, how exactly would reed know . . . 😕
maybe it would have, but, maybe reed was just talking out his arse -- or rather a writer was doing so THROUGH reed . . . 😬
Originally posted by leonidasBut did S1M gain his force-vision from Superman-Prime amping him up?
i'd say prime could take him based on what we know of solaris's power level and of prime's OWN herald -- superman 1M. if prime can grant GALACTIC level power (1M's ability to impact an ENTIRE GALAXY is a greater display of power than any ever displayed by the ss)
Or did he gain that power from the marriage to the Queen of the Imps, which gave him 10 new powers?
If it's the latter, then Supes Prime had nothing to do with the "Galaxy" feat...
(Unless we take S1M's "super-concentration" into account).
Originally posted by leonidasActually, in the scene you're talking about, Galactus was using the UN...... So he definitely didn't wipe out a Universe under his own power.
g has NEVER wiped out the universe with a gesture while he has been in control of his hunger. that scene of him wiping out the universe came while he was being manipulated by a celestial. nor has he ever created a universe -- at least not using his own powers.
