samurai vs spartan

Originally posted by inimalist
didn't the Samurai live like, 1000 years after the Spartans?

I think that much advance in military technology and tactics might give them a slight edge?

I might be wrong though...

Depends, doesn't it?

Can the best contemporary samurai sword (rumored to be hammered up to 20,000 for the best) cut the best made Spartan's battle ready sword?

Mythbusters did something on this, I think. But I don't think they used bronze. I would think that I strong Spartan and a gifted samurai could cause a nice slice into that relatively soft bronze...if not an "all the way through".

This is adding a "what if" to the scenario. The Japanese Samurai historians would probably like to romanticize that cutting through a bronze age weapon would be easy for the average Samurai, but that wouldn't be fair because it's not scientific. However, it did happen on more than one occasion that a sword was broken in a fight. I don't think it was often, but it did occur at times.

Samurai would slaughter the spartans, their tatics and tech would be too great for them

Originally posted by jalek moye
Samurai would slaughter the spartans, their tatics and tech would be too great for them

Yea, even unto the morning of their children's children's chidlren's souls.

Either could logically win, as it would depend heavily on the personal skill of each soldier.

The Samurai would have the advantage of lighter armor/mobility. While the Spartan's spear/shield combo would give him the reach advantage, though he'd be at a disadvantage once/if the Samurai closed in.

Having said that, Gerard's abs FTW.

Originally posted by Robtard
Having said that, Gerard's abs FTW.

Gay?

✅

Technology is going to be the deciding factor here. The Samurai would be better defended in his armor and their Katana blade would easily pierce any body armor that a Spartan may be dawning.

The Spartan would have his standard short sword, light leather armor and his rounded curved shield. He may or may not have a spear. That would depend on his class. For sake of argument though, the thread starter has deemed that the Spartan has his Spear.

The Samurai is going to be accustomed to spears and will most likely know how to defend and counter against one. This isn't to say that the Spartan cannot better the Samurai with his skill but it should be acknowledged that the Samurai would most likely be aware of the battle stances involved in using a spear. I think the Samurais' biggest problem will be the Spartans Shield. However, i'm sure that a well placed strike with a Katana blade will pierce the Spartans shield. I think that the Samurais' Armor, Katana blade and awareness in swordplay will be to much for the Spartan.

The Spartans biggest advantage will be the movie 300 😂 Spartans were lethal soldiers for sure but no more than any other trained killing machine. The Spartans most deadly asset was their intelligence and strategic prowess. Where their enemies employed aging tactics in their warfare. The Spartans implemented cutting edge technology and formations such as the Phalanx. It was these things, coupled with their discipline that made them a force to reckoned with more than anything. The Spartans often fought armies as conditioned as themselves but due to naive command and dated technology and strategies, the Spartans would often be victorious.

The Samurai trained and studied warfare until they died. The stance of a Master Samurai is something to behold. Something i don't think a Spartan would be able to counter, attack or defend against for very long.

Spartans were like living tanks but katanas can cut through tanks.

QED

One thing of note, a well made Katana is arguably the finest edged weapon ever made; it's basically a giant razorblade.

That is the reason why duels/fights in ancient Japan weren't drawn out, one combatant usually died after the first well placed hit, the Katana simply evicerated him/her and could cut through the leather/wood/lacker based Samurai armor with ease. Though Samurai did use full plated armor, it really depends on the era.

Point there, Katanas aren't designed to trade blows with each other for long and they aren't designed to slice through metal, though it is possible, so Samurai's are trained to kill in as few strikes as possible, to find the weak points and to do so as a single warrior; not a mass unit. As far as stabbing with a Katana, the design of the blade makes it difficult to do so.

Having said that, I still think the Samurai has the edge, he could side-stepped the spear thrust and cut it in half, close the distance and deliver a death stroke easier than the Spartan could, imo. This is taking into account that both are at the same skill level in their respective disciplines of combat.

edit: A good fight would be a feudal Japan army vs a Spartan army, unit-style combat is were the Spartans excelled.

Originally posted by Council#13
From what we've seen from 300.... what armor? 😂

Originally posted by Robtard
One thing of note, a well made Katana is arguably the finest edged weapon ever made; it's basically a giant razorblade.

That is the reason why duels/fights in ancient Japan weren't drawn out, one combatant usually died after the first well placed hit, the Katana simply evicerated him/her and could cut through the leather/wood/lacker based Samurai armor with ease. Though Samurai did use full plated armor, it really depends on the era.

Point there, Katanas aren't designed to trade blows with each other for long and they aren't designed to slice through metal, though it is possible, so Samurai's are trained to kill in as few strikes as possible, to find the weak points and to do so as a single warrior; not a mass unit. As far as stabbing with a Katana, the design of the blade makes it difficult to do so.

Having said that, I still think the Samurai has the edge, he could side-stepped the spear thrust and cut it in half, close the distance and deliver a death stroke easier than the Spartan could, imo. This is taking into account that both are at the same skill level in their respective disciplines of combat.

edit: A good fight would be a feudal Japan army vs a Spartan army, unit-style combat is were the Spartans excelled.

Indeed.

If I'm not mistaken, I think the title for the world's most deadly duelist was a Japanese samurai. Name eludes me at the moment.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Indeed.

If I'm not mistaken, I think the title for the world's most deadly duelist was a Japanese samurai. Name eludes me at the moment.

Musashi Miyamoto.

Originally posted by supremthor
samurai vs spartan

if a Spartan from Sparta's height in all his heavy armour with his nodding horse hair plume on his huge corinthian helmet, with his huge ****** shield, and his long spear and his leaf bladed Xiphos was to fight a Samurai from the Sengoku period is his Yorei armour and his huge helm and his Yari and Katana and Wakizashi on even ground at midday and they both were on foot who would win?

Anyone else pick up on the sexual innuendo?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Anyone else pick up on the sexual innuendo?

Oh and three cheers for the samurai.
If it were me, **** the spartan's sheild up.
Force him to meet me close.
Off with his head!

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Musashi Miyamoto.

No, I don't think it's that guy. I know who he is. This other guy had lighter colored hair...I believe. (Light brown instead of the typical dark brown.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, I don't think it's that guy. I know who he is. This other guy had lighter colored hair...I believe. (Light brown instead of the typical dark brown.)

The only one that was said to truly rival him was Kojiro Sasaki.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
The only one that was said to truly rival him was Kojiro Sasaki.

Was Masaashi really the best duelist in recorded Japanese history?

What color was his lightsaber?

LOL, sorry, couldn't resist. But, seriously, I thought that there was nothe duelist, who was eventually killed in a duel, that was more "deathly" than Masashi?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Anyone else pick up on the sexual innuendo?

No, can you gay-it out for us?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Was Masaashi really the best duelist in recorded Japanese history?

What color was his lightsaber?

LOL, sorry, couldn't resist. But, seriously, I thought that there was nothe duelist, who was eventually killed in a duel, that was more "deathly" than Masashi?

Well he uses a red and blue saber in Onimusha Blade Warriors.

Well Musashi did kill Kojiro aka Ganryu Kojiro and he used a nodachi. He also invented the Swallow Cut technique.

Samurai, the superior speed, skill, armor and sword give the Samurai the edge, well not just the edge the whole step actually.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well he uses a red and blue saber in Onimusha Blade Warriors.

Well Musashi did kill Kojiro aka Ganryu Kojiro and he used a nodachi. He also invented the Swallow Cut technique.

Indeed. He killed freakin' Kojiro with a wooden stick! That's just insane. That was such a high caliber/important duel that it's highly unlikely that that was embelished. Suck it, Kojiro. 😈

Well, it could be Kojiro that I'm thinking of. They were known as the most deadly duelist, racking up the most kills of any duelists (not the philosophical version, lol) in all of recorded history. That can't be Musashi.

Seriously, I can see the old Japanese drawing of this duelist in my head right now. He was like a half breed Japanese or something. His hair was a bit reddish in color, etc.

I really suck with names. I'll try to find who I'm talking about later. I'm at work.

But, yeah, guys like that are awesome to read about.

And most duels last mere moments. Blaxican is right. Katana's and all their incarnates are excellent human killing weapons. I don't remember the name of the show (It was on discovery), but it was over war crafts (the craft of war, not the game series from Blizzard.) deadliest weapons. I think they measured and decided on the katana as the best killing weapon. One good slash from a very practiced and strong katana duelist could be enough to cut most men clean in half. (I highly doubt the guy on the show was as skilled as some better katana users in 1600s Japan.)

On another note, I know tons of things about the US and it's history. I've studied it for a long time and I feel rather versed, especially for being a virtual history layman. However, Japan has established and documented states for thousands of years. I barely know anything (relative to my US history knowledge.) I keep reading and researching and reading, and it only becomes more and more daunting as I keep learning about Japan's history. It's so unique and has tons upon tons of history. It's kind of depressing knowing that I will probably only see the tip of the iceberg, even with professional education on Japanese history. The same can be said of other great past and present states. However, Japan's history is the only place I've run into so far that made me seem so ignorant.