Originally posted by Robtard
Just remembered, in the Deadliest Warrior episode: Spartan Vs Ninja. The fat caucasian "ninja" tried to cut through Spartan bronze armor with his ninjato (similar in make to a katana); it glanced off, barely scratching it. Was funny, as he was so sure it would "go right through", since he had superior tech and materials.Take that for what it's worth.
As far as I know a katana is usually vastly superior in make than a ninjato though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
As far as I know a katana is usually vastly superior in make than a ninjato though.
I know, that's why I said "take that for what it's worth."
In the Viking Vs Samurai episide, the katana only nicked the Viking's iron chain-mail, despite numerous attempts to cut through. I don't think it could do more to a heavy bronze shield during battle conditions.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That doesn't matter; the point was to help demonstrate how even a wood shield would give Katana's trouble, with minimal metal.
I've been doing some research on their shields and I think you're right. In fact, the Bronze metal would be easier to cut than the wooden protion. The Wooden protio nwas quite thick. The shields weighed, sometimes, over 30 lbs. They were a slab of wood, basically. i was thinking they were much thinner with a coat of bronze. Not the case.
However, the hoplite's armor is made of bronze. Should be no problem to stab through. In same instances, should be no problem to even slice through.
All the same, i'd try to attack non-covered spots if I was the Samurai. Katanas can barely cut mail, so i'm not hopeful towards it's prospects of cutting metal plate in battle, even if it is just bronze.
I'd give this to the samurai all the same, though. Their armor and weaponry is just much more advanced, being made of steel. Samurai vs. knight would be a much more even topic for discussion imo.
I still can't believe they paired a Spartan against a Ninja. What an obscure match-up. Fully trained warrior versus an assassin. It's like comparing apples to oranges; sure they're both fruit, but c'mon!
Spartan versus a Samurai, or a Knight, would have been better. Put the Ninja up against the Viking or something.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I still can't believe they paired a Spartan against a Ninja. What an obscure match-up. Fully trained warrior versus an assassin. It's like comparing apples to oranges; sure they're both fruit, but c'mon!Spartan versus a Samurai, or a Knight, would have been better. Put the Ninja up against the Viking or something.
Samurai would win it as far as I'm concerned... Better weaponary, more modern tactics. I mean, in the 16th century they used gunpowder... Even without that they had their Yumi, which was a decent powered compound bow.
And the people who say that the spartans were more skilled... How is this even possible to know? A Samurai spent his life training, so how can you say he is less skilled?
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Samurai would win it as far as I'm concerned... Better weaponary, more modern tactics. I mean, in the 16th century they used gunpowder... Even without that they had their Yumi, which was a decent powered compound bow.
😂 That's a good point. Depending on the era the Samurai could just shoot the Spartan.
Originally posted by RobtardHahaha, oh yes, how could I forget.
Real Samurai didn't use guns. Didn't you watch that historically accurate "The Last Samurai", you novice.
http://www.chinatownconnection.com/japanese-samurai.htm - Just to add, in case people actually believe that they hated guns.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Hahaha, oh yes, how could I forget.http://www.chinatownconnection.com/japanese-samurai.htm - Just to add, in case people actually believe that they hated guns.
LOL. "Chinatown". Fact the Chinese hate the Japanese and use any opportunity to shit on Japanese culture. Fact, fact, fact.
Originally posted by RobtardHaha,
LOL. "Chinatown". Fact the Chinese hate the Japanese and use any opportunity to shit on Japanese culture. Fact, fact, fact.
Saigō Takamori's rebels numbered around 40,000 in total, until they dwindled to about 400 at the final stand at the Battle of Shiroyama. Although they fought for the preservation of the caste of the samurai, and officers often wore samurai cuirasses, they did not neglect Western military methods: they used guns and cannons, and all contemporary depictions of Saigō Takamori represent him wearing the uniform of a Western general. At the end of the conflict, running out of material and ammunition, they had to fall back to close-quarter tactics and the use of swords, bows and arrows. In a parallel to the movie, they also fought for a more virtuous form of government (their slogan was "新政厚徳", "New government, High morality"😉.
On the battle featured at the end of The Last Samurai.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Samurai would win it as far as I'm concerned... Better weaponary, more modern tactics. I mean, in the 16th century they used gunpowder... Even without that they had their Yumi, which was a decent powered compound bow.
Originally posted by King KandyMy main point still stands though, better equipped with more modern tactics... Tactics that have been developed through the centuries since the Spartans.
That would be a good point, if not for the first post specifying that the samurai was "from the Sengoku period is his Yorei armour and his huge helm and his Yari and Katana and Wakizashi ". So looks like this is specifically a close-quarters fight.
The Samurai would be aware of the Spartan's fighting style... The Spartan would have never heard of a Samurai.
Why would Samurai from the sengoku period know anything about Spartans? I seriously doubt, with most outside influence then being from missionaries and british/dutch traders, and other than that fairly isolated, they would have even heard of the Spartans. Hell before "300" came out most westerners couldn't have told you anything about spartan tactics.