Originally posted by Soljer
Superman may be too fast. Maybe.Tornado may be too powerful.
But Sue, Namor, and the Torch are flash-frozen. Along with pretty much ALL of team 2, save the few that can't be.
Then it's all of Scott's team versus a few of Cap's.
I took out vison and added Jenny Q. WW can take care of Sups...
Iceman can beat pretty much everyone on Caps team. Supes and Juggy can be debated. Then again you have Wonder Woman with her magical items. Im not familiar at all with Authority, so i cant comment on them. Aquamans telepathy could also take out many members of Caps team.
Only the leaders get the prep right?
There is an Iceman vs Superman thread floating around somewhere, and it came to the basic scientific conclusion that well....Iceman would win 😬
Also no one on team two has telepathy, and Team one has Aquaman.
I gotta say Team One. You have your flash frozen guys, your TP nuked guys, and MAYBE Juggs, Superman (I still think Iceman could beat him), and Red Tornado left.
Iceman can take, solo;
Captain America
Deathstroke
Invisible Woman
Sabretooth
Namor
The Torch
and, probably Angie as well.
That leaves Red Tornado, Classic Juggernaut, and Superman.
The Hulk could stalemate Juggernaut long enough for Jenny Q, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and/or Iceman to bring Superman down.
The Red Tornado is my only worry. He's...pretty damned invulnerable. 😬.
Honestly I sometimes think people iver estimate Iceman's powers. The guy is good but I doubt he is Flash freezing the Human Torch who could go Nova and pretty much take out team one alot better than Team one could take out Team two.
Plus Team Two I think has the durability factor so if Ice Man did Flash Freeze and Torch went Nova Team Two would have more people then Team one.
Originally posted by endrict
Cap with prep can think Iceman as a major threat and send Sups Speed blitz Bobby to take him out.... now what?
Speed blitz bobby to take him out?
Now what?
Bobby exists as moisture and is not only able to solo pretty much the entire team, but is entirely invisible while doing so.
Just a question I know Bobby can be Water Moisture but I thought he had to pull himself back together before he could do anything.
I woul also like to point out that it doesn't matter because honestly Bobby couldn't freeze any of the heavier hitters because he never has been able to produce that much cold.
Originally posted by Newjak
Just a question I know Bobby can be Water Moisture but I thought he had to pull himself back together before he could do anything.I woul also like to point out that it doesn't matter because honestly Bobby couldn't freeze any of the heavier hitters because he never has been able to produce that much cold.
To your first supposition; he's affected things while liquid and while gaseous before.
To your second, all I need say is; 'Stranger' and 'Celestial Ship.'
Not to mention the fact that he need not freeze heavy hitters. As long as the heavy hitters have moisture in their bodies, they get dessicated.
Originally posted by Newjak
Honestly I sometimes think people iver estimate Iceman's powers. The guy is good but I doubt he is Flash freezing the Human Torch who could go Nova and pretty much take out team one alot better than Team one could take out Team two.Plus Team Two I think has the durability factor so if Ice Man did Flash Freeze and Torch went Nova Team Two would have more people then Team one.
Iceman would have no troubles flash freezing Torch. Secondly, Doesnt it take Torch a few seconds to go nova?
You are right about team 2 having better durability overall.
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Are you serious NJ?
He froze Stranger. Stranger>>>>>>>> everyone on that team. He froze heat beams 😐
Also take it this way. A Celestial Ship (being that they are HUGE *miles in distance?*) can survive in space. Space is about 3 degrees ABOVE absolute zero. He froze it. ALL OF IT. EVERYTHING IT IS. It wasnt just the environment he froze but the molecules of the ship itself.
EDIT: What soljer said 😛
Originally posted by SoljerEffecting things and Flash Freezing are two different things my friend.
To your first supposition; he's affected things while liquid and while gaseous before.To your second, all I need say is; 'Stranger' and 'Celestial Ship.'
Not to mention the fact that he need not freeze heavy hitters. As long as the heavy hitters have moisture in their bodies, they get dessicated.
Secondly he froze the Stranger's Eyebeams and didn't even beat him.
Thirdly Water Moisture isn't really that big a deal with some of these guys honestly.
Juggernaut doesn't even need to eat sleep Drink.
Superman can be out i nthe cold of Sapce without being effected plus he can literally heat hiself up with HV.
Human Torch lets look at the guy who is a living Inferno.
Angie who is like a metal cyborg right I don't see moisture being a big deal for her.
Red Tornado well yeah.
YOu understand where I'm going with this right.
Basically Ice Man isn't that strong. He has one or two good feats possibly but nothing to say he is beating these guys with his ice powers.
Originally posted by Blair WindYeah and Juggernaut punched Stranger out 😛
😐Are you serious NJ?
He froze Stranger. Stranger>>>>>>>> everyone on that team. He froze heat beams 😐
Also take it this way. A Celestial Ship (being that they are HUGE *miles in distance?*) can survive in space. Space is about 3 degrees ABOVE absolute zero. He froze it. ALL OF IT. EVERYTHING IT [B]IS
. It wasnt just the environment he froze but the molecules of the ship itself.EDIT: What soljer said 😛 [/B]
Stranger not really that impressive.
And thor has hurt a Celestial not just a Celestial Ship whihc Celestials are stronger the ntheir ships 😛
You get where I'm going with this right. Listen Ice Man besides two good feats doesn't have nearly the power to compete with these guys.
Secondly superman Could fly him to the Sun before IceMan knew what happened I would love to see how Bobby handled that.