Scott's Teams VS Cap's team 1 day prep. each.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah and Juggernaut punched Stranger out 😛

Stranger not really that impressive.

And thor has hurt a Celestial not just a Celestial Ship whihc Celestials are stronger the ntheir ships 😛

You get where I'm going with this right. Listen Ice Man besides two good feats doesn't have nearly the power to compete with these guys.

Secondly superman Could fly him to the Sun before IceMan knew what happened I would love to see how Bobby handled that.

The friction from travelling through the atmosphere at such high speeds would instantly evaporate him. He'd be chilling up in the clouds, and he'd still solo damn near everyone on the team.

He beat the Human Torch way back when he was still throwing snowballs. Current omega Bobby would rape him.

And, assuming neither dessication nor flash freezing works on someone, Iceman can always use moisture inversion. That's another of his nifty tricks.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah and Juggernaut punched Stranger out 😛

Stranger not really that impressive.

And thor has hurt a Celestial not just a Celestial Ship whihc Celestials are stronger the ntheir ships 😛

You get where I'm going with this right. Listen Ice Man besides two good feats doesn't have nearly the power to compete with these guys.

Secondly superman Could fly him to the Sun before IceMan knew what happened I would love to see how Bobby handled that.

Hurting a celestial ship, and freezing its molecules are two different things my friend. Iceman is not only limited to water molecules in a lot of cases. Its his specialty, yes, but he has frozen other things than just "water" *heat beams and Celestial ships being the case*
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one or two good feats?

He can change the water in a persons body into gas

Turn the opponents themselves into water vapor (moisture inversion)

Exist as water, ice, or water vapor.

He once froze the hulk so much that he fell asleep 😐

I have like a billion more responses but Im looking for a thread right now....maybe later Ill come in with scans

EDIT: SOLJER! Why do we keep mentioning the SAME things at the SAME time 😂

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Hurting a celestial ship, and freezing its molecules are two different things my friend. Iceman is not only limited to water molecules in a lot of cases. Its his specialty, yes, but he has frozen other things than just "water" *heat beams and Celestial ships being the case*
😐

one or two good feats?

He can change the water in a persons body into gas

Turn the opponents themselves into water vapor (moisture inversion)

Exist as water, ice, or water vapor.

He once froze the hulk so much that he fell asleep 😐

I have like a billion more responses but Im looking for a thread right now....maybe later Ill come in with scans

EDIT: SOLJER! Why do we keep mentioning the SAME things at the SAME time 😂

The fact is that Ice Man exists only has Water Vapor.

Heck superman could just blow the planet up destroying any water Vapor Bobby could use basically strading Bobby in space.

Bobby has a good power but a lot of other people have much better powers and still don't mess with these guys like that 😉

Originally posted by Newjak
Effecting things and Flash Freezing are two different things my friend.

Flash freeze from the inside ou,t instantly? 1. the person cant do shit. 2. They are now as brittle as clay.

Originally posted by Newjak
Secondly he froze the Stranger's Eyebeams and didn't even beat him.

Well, when the rest of the mutants(Jean, Mystique and Toad) and Juggernaut left the shit Iceman stayed back to make sure Stranger stayed with the ship. Stranger couldnt do a thing about it.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thirdly Water Moisture isn't really that big a deal with some of these guys honestly.

Water is a big deal with the majority of the team. Cap, Deathstroke, Superman(possibly), Invisible woman, Sabertooth, Namor, Red Tornado(doesnt he have a hunam body now?) and Human Torch.

Originally posted by Newjak
Juggernaut doesn't even need to eat sleep Drink.

True, However you have Hulk to keep him busy and that gives time for them to come up with something.

Originally posted by Newjak
Superman can be out i nthe cold of Sapce without being effected plus he can literally heat hiself up with HV.

It was a long debte about whether Icemans powers could effect him or not.

Originally posted by Newjak
Human Torch lets look at the guy who is a living Inferno.

Iceman has fought people like him. Defeated tham as well. Torch would be nothing new to him.

Originally posted by Newjak
Angie who is like a metal cyborg right I don't see moisture being a big deal for her.

Uhh am i mising something? Metal? Iceman can freeze her then give her one good punch. Whats her powers?

Originally posted by Newjak
Basically Ice Man isn't that strong. He has one or two good feats possibly but nothing to say he is beating these guys with his ice powers.

Most likely the most powerfull member on his team and possibly in the battle for that matter. Possibly.

Iceman has manipulated water in a vacuum before, and matter is never actually destroyed. Superman destroys the planet, Iceman still has, literally, QUINTILLIONS of tons of firepower.

Originally posted by Newjak
I know what Bobbies powers are. In fact I could probably tell you more about them then you know.

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Originally posted by Blair Wind
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I think he meant 'I can tell you more about them than you expect me to be able to.'

Rather than 'I know more than you do.'

Originally posted by Soljer
Iceman has manipulated water in a vacuum before, and matter is never actually destroyed. Superman destroys the planet, Iceman still has, literally, QUINTILLIONS of tons of firepower.

Seriously Iceman besides one feat hasn't shown the ability to began to affect everyone like that. Plus he doesn't exist as Water Vapot he can onyl survive as it. Otherwise he would be in it all the time.

Seriously you guys are over estimating IceMan's abilities. He isn't anywhere close to the herald level needed to beat these guys 😬

Originally posted by Blair Wind
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And it is a little bit of A and a liltte bit of B Soljer.

Honestly I know how uber powerful Iceman's ability is. I even know exatly what it does and if you knew what it does then you understand the Stranger feat isn't that impressive.

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Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think you are quite getting it.

Seriously Iceman besides one feat hasn't shown the ability to began to affect everyone like that. Plus he doesn't exist as Water Vapot he can onyl survive as it. Otherwise he would be in it all the time.

Seriously you guys are over estimating IceMan's abilities. He isn't anywhere close to the herald level needed to beat these guys 😬

He doesn't exist as water vapor because it's easier to interact with a human form. He can exist as water vapor all he pleases.

He also was able to freeze the Hulk into unconsciousness back in the snowball days, and now he's quite a bit beyond that. He has plenty of feats to take out EVERYONE on the team, save Superman, Juggernaut, and the Red Tornado.

And that's all I ever postulated.

Originally posted by Soljer
He doesn't exist as water vapor because it's easier to interact with a human form. He can exist as water vapor all he pleases.

He also was able to freeze the Hulk into unconsciousness back in the snowball days, and now he's quite a bit beyond that. He has plenty of feats to take out EVERYONE on the team, save Superman, Juggernaut, and the Red Tornado.

And that's all I ever postulated.

Besides the Hulk feat which is one of the easiest things to think about seeing how many people have caused the Hulk to sleep or become Calm.

I agree IceMan could take out any one with normal Human durability easily

but he isn't winning the fight for them.

I would say Angie would surive I think she isn't even a human.

Originally posted by Newjak
I can agree with some of that.

Besides the Hulk feat which is one of the easiest things to think about seeing how many people have caused the Hulk to sleep or become Calm.

I agree IceMan could take out any one with normal Human durability easily

but he isn't winning the fight for them.

I would say Angie would surive I think she isn't even a human.

But she is made out of an element that can, simply, be transmuted into water. Or have it's very molecules frozen.

Superman, Juggernaut, and the Red Tornado are the ONLY ones that Iceman can't solo himself.

Originally posted by Soljer
But she is made out of an element that can, simply, be transmuted into water. Or have it's very molecules frozen.

Superman, Juggernaut, and the Red Tornado are the ONLY ones that Iceman can't solo himself.

And I think her internal power source would keep her going.

Honestly for IceMan to freeze her he would have to keep focused on Freezing thus taking himself out of the battle.

Originally posted by Newjak
Booby can't transmute things though?

And I think her internal power source would keep her going.

Honestly for IceMan to freeze her he would have to keep focused on Freezing thus taking himself out of the battle.

Heat beams.

Her internal power source ain't got shit on that.

Besides that, Bobby (Heh..booby...) HAS transmuted people into water before.

Originally posted by Soljer
Heat beams.

Her internal power source ain't got shit on that.

Besides that, Bobby (Heh..booby...) HAS transmuted people into water before.

Her enternal power source is energy Bobby isn't effecting that.

Its a good thing he can transmute people who are 70% water to begin with 😉

And the Booby thing shows what is on my mind.

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think you are quite getting it.

Seriously Iceman besides one feat hasn't shown the ability to began to affect everyone like that. Plus he doesn't exist as Water Vapot he can onyl survive as it. Otherwise he would be in it all the time.

Seriously you guys are over estimating IceMan's abilities. He isn't anywhere close to the herald level needed to beat these guys 😬

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More than one feat that puts him at that level. Hell lemme go get just SOME.

Completely Dehydrates someone (this was in "Hell"😉:
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman13gv.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman32ns.jpg

Here he gets absorbed by a firestarter who absorbs all matter around him to fed his flames. Iceman was inhibiting his body and kills him when the time is right:
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icemandormantiq9.png

Early days and he was in Water forms that turned to ice:
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hruncxmenv130212mt5.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hruncxmenv130213ug2.jpg

Against the Sentinels (they evaporate him, then cannot find any trace of his Mutant Signature):
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake2yu.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake24dz.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake32cy.jpg

With the Celestial Ship
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p192kj.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p208wl.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p217vf.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p227kd.jpg

Stranger:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p268ua.jpg

Iceman escapes having the Celestial Ship compressed so tightly it creates a suction while it is "teleporting" (iceman was the "stars"😉
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p27wg4.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p28sj0.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p29ew7.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p30hr7.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p31hc1.jpg

Emma Frost using Icemans body. Anything she can do he can do, and nowadays? Even better. Credit goes to ExodusCloak for the scans 😄
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2138/uncxmenv131307rougherkk7.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5808/uncxmenv131323roughergq2.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7814/uncannyxmen314large01nm1.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1886/uncannyxmen314large02ow3.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5894/uncannyxmen314large03ce6.jpg

I just realized how fast she travelled in his Ice-form...3 miles in 5 seconds...and that was via the river in liquid form...imagine his gas form shock

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8259/uncannyxmen314large04uh0.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3387/uncannyxmen314large05kv3.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/593/uncannyxmen314large11kj1.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1930/uncannyxmen314large12mw4.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3536/uncannyxmen314large13il4.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7140/uncannyxmen314large14hh3.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1619/uncannyxmen314large15im9.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7213/uncannyxmen314large1617ez4.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5676/uncannyxmen314large18cu4.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8950/uncannyxmen314large19jg3.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9027/uncannyxmen314large20dj1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9127/uncannyxmen314large21vz4.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2042/uncannyxmen314large22zh9.jpg

Hell he took down an Abstract (Oblivion) 😖hifty:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ice14dz5.jpg

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The only ones that he cannot DEBATEDLY take solo are Superman, Red Torndado, and Juggs. Honestly? Id give him odds over them as well. But he IS working with a team. He can transmute, can do moisture inversion (turn anything into water vapor), can freeze more than just water molecules, and can be completely destroyed and come right back. Hell he recently just got blown up in friggin HUMAN form, and lived. He got teleported INTO a wall and repaired himself

And NJ, I am sure there are many things out there you know more about then me. Iceman is not one of them. 😐

Originally posted by Blair Wind
😐

More than one feat that puts him at that level. Hell lemme go get just SOME.

Completely Dehydrates someone (this was in "Hell"😉:
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman13gv.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman32ns.jpg

Here he gets absorbed by a firestarter who absorbs all matter around him to fed his flames. Iceman was inhibiting his body and kills him when the time is right:
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icemandormantiq9.png

Early days and he was in Water forms that turned to ice:
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hruncxmenv130212mt5.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hruncxmenv130213ug2.jpg

Against the Sentinels (they evaporate him, then cannot find any trace of his Mutant Signature):
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake2yu.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake24dz.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake32cy.jpg

With the Celestial Ship
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p192kj.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p208wl.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p217vf.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p227kd.jpg

Stranger:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p268ua.jpg

Iceman escapes having the Celestial Ship compressed so tightly it creates a suction while it is "teleporting" (iceman was the "stars"😉
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p27wg4.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p28sj0.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p29ew7.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p30hr7.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p31hc1.jpg

Emma Frost using Icemans body. Anything she can do he can do, and nowadays? Even better. Credit goes to ExodusCloak for the scans 😄
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2138/uncxmenv131307rougherkk7.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5808/uncxmenv131323roughergq2.jpg

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7814/uncannyxmen314large01nm1.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1886/uncannyxmen314large02ow3.jpg
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5894/uncannyxmen314large03ce6.jpg

I just realized how fast she travelled in his Ice-form...3 miles in 5 seconds...and that was via the river in liquid form...imagine his gas form shock

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8259/uncannyxmen314large04uh0.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3387/uncannyxmen314large05kv3.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/593/uncannyxmen314large11kj1.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1930/uncannyxmen314large12mw4.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3536/uncannyxmen314large13il4.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7140/uncannyxmen314large14hh3.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1619/uncannyxmen314large15im9.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7213/uncannyxmen314large1617ez4.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5676/uncannyxmen314large18cu4.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8950/uncannyxmen314large19jg3.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9027/uncannyxmen314large20dj1.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9127/uncannyxmen314large21vz4.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2042/uncannyxmen314large22zh9.jpg

Hell he took down an Abstract (Oblivion) 😖hifty:
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ice14dz5.jpg

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The only ones that he cannot DEBATEDLY take solo are Superman, Red Torndado, and Juggs. Honestly? Id give him odds over them as well. But he IS working with a team. He can transmute, can do moisture inversion (turn anything into water vapor), can freeze more than just water molecules, and can be completely destroyed and come right back. Hell he recently just got blown up in friggin HUMAN form, and lived. He got teleported INTO a wall and repaired himself

And NJ, I am sure there are many things out there you know more about then me. Iceman is not one of them. 😐

Honestly though you think these feats even began to compare to what some of these guys have faced and most of them don't even come close to the herald level type that is needed to beat Superman and Juggernaut.

Honestly IceMan is a none factor in this fight.

It is between Superman Juggernaut and Wonder Woman and Hulk. Thats it Ice Man is a annoyance at best.

And BW I think I know the same or more about IceMan's power then you hence why I don't take his powers to terribly well.

Basically IceMan is not herald. He can't say freeze a sun or even an entire planet. When he can do something like that then he may have a shot at being the power your trying to say 😉

Edit: And BW I should clarify I'm not saying I know more about Ice Man the cahracter then you but I'm saying I know the same or more about the anture of his powers 😛

Its not about the power level in and of itself of Iceman's powers that make him such a big threat. Its his tactical advantage 😬

Everything has molecules that can be slown down, he can transmute things into water vapor, and can control all the water everywhere. He cannot be physically destroyed by anyone on the opposing team. His only "stalemate" might be in Red Tornado, but I would give Iceman the win on that one since he can freeze the air. Its all about tactical advantages man. Sometimes its not raw power but the tactical advantages that win the day. This happens to be one of these times.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Its not about the power level in and of itself of Iceman's powers that make him such a big threat. Its his tactical advantage 😬

Everything has molecules that can be slown down, he can transmute things into water vapor, and can control all the water everywhere. He cannot be physically destroyed by anyone on the opposing team. His only "stalemate" might be in Red Tornado, but I would give Iceman the win on that one since he can freeze the air. Its all about tactical advantages man. Sometimes its not raw power but the tactical advantages that win the day. This happens to be one of these times.

Hence why I said IM is a non factor since most of these people literally have more jiuce then IM has ever dealt with in trying to effect. 😛

Newjack, you keep saying Icemna is a non-factor. You say he cant take certain people out because they "literally have more jiuce then IM has ever dealt with in trying to effect."

I wanna know who are all these people you talk of? You mentioned Superman and Juggernaut. Superman beating him was debated for months. Juggernaut at best can only stalemate him. The rest of the team can easily be beat by Iceman, yet hes not a factor?

Why is Red Tornado being mentioned? Am i missing something with him? Doesnt he now have a human body?