Ryo Sakazaki VS. Kazuya Mishima

Started by Darkstorm Zero8 pages
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Darkstorm, you think gouki destroying an island is a greater feat than destroy Ayers rock A.K.A the "Earth's belly-button"?!

He didn't wipe out Uluru completely, just slashed it in two. The island he demolished actually sunk beneath the oceans surface, which means one of two things, he's either pulverised the entire island into rubble which then flattened itself against the ocean floor. Or he's moved the tectonic platesaround the island and actually pushed that plate deeper into the Earth. Either eventuality is a whuge feat, monsterous compared to simply slashing a gigantic solid rock in half

Originally posted by Sado22
...BUSTER WOLF
sorry couldn't help it😄
More like Busta Woof!!!

Originally posted by Sado22
KoF2000.
Dude...He had serious help from most of the cast, he didn't do that all on his own.

Originally posted by Sado22
psycho shot....and surviving it? last i checked Ryu got pwned by Bison was laid out and was being brainwashed till Sagat, Sakura and Ken came and rescued his soon-to-be-Pscyho-Ryu-and-get-pwned-by-Sagat @$$.
Nope, Ryu wasn't laid out, he physically took the shot, it just messed with his head.

Originally posted by Sado22
Dude...Ryu is 33 in SF3. that's 20 years of training AT BEST! he started street fighting when he was 23. 10 years of fighting experience.
also dojo training doesn't mean shit to actual fighting. Terry's been FIGHTING FOR 30+ YEARS. Do some more research on the age bit if you don't believe me.
Ryu was in his mid 30's in SF2, the Capcom Classics Collection states his complete DOB clearly. Ryu was out on his own years before 23, 23 would be more like SFA-SFA2. As far as dojo training goes, I would rather train with Gouken (1 of the strongest fighters in the world) and Ken (1 of the strongest fighters in the world) in a dojo then train in the streets with a bunch of nobodies.

Originally posted by Sado22
what? come on. i don't care of Devil was helping or not. fact of the matter is Kazy uses that power regardless so its more like his own power. in a fight he uses that power and hence it counts.
and please, throwing a robot that could very well weigh a ton 30 feet away isn't a comparable feet......not to mention doing it effortlessly. come on, man, you can do better than that.
I can understand what you are saying for the Devil thing, but still throwing Jacks doesn't not compare to lifting 2 let's say, SUVs, with a man at the top with out a Devil Gene. Kazuya did not lift Jack effortlessly and he really didn't throw it 30ft, your over exaggerating Sado, just a tad.

Originally posted by Sado22
you mean the Iori whose power is comparable to Geonitz...that Iori? you mean the Iori who is practically a boss character in KoF universe? you mean the Iori who can handle the power of which only a fraction of was pwning the entire KoF95 roaster and consumed and vaporized someone as powerful as Rugal.
as for "plot device" no where has it ever been said that Orochi is weak against the Kusanagi flames. look about it. NEVER has it ever been said.
His power is not comparable to Goenitz, he lost to Ash Crimson. He may be a boss in his own universe but that does not apply to the rest of the fighting game universes.
As far as the Orochi power goes it's in Iori's blood, he is supposed to use the power, it's his. Now let him not have lucked up with his so called "cursed blood", he would've ended up like Rugal and even with all his Orochi power, Rugal with that fraction he had would defeat Iori. Besides, who doesn't beat up a KOF cast now a days?

Originally posted by Sado22
dude...the bosses you faced on either mode were Geese and Bison.
In CVS1 Bison was the boss of Cap and Rugal was the boss of SNK. Akuma and Evil Ryu were the super bosses

Originally posted by Sado22
no the island was just a island no need to go saying something like that since there is no proof that it is. for all we know its a big rock in the middle of nowhere. not to mention how his strongest move could only crack ayres rock in half...hardly equivalent to destroying a city now is it.
Goenitz, Omega rugal, Ignitz can beat Bison. other than that yes.
as for Goenitz, have you seen his stage in KoF96...yeah did you see that huge portal in the sky, the wrecked stadium and nothing in sight of the city that the stadium was in........?
[COLOR=green]Yes, have you seen the island in the game?
Ayers Rock is very large and just because it's Akuma's strongest move does not mean he used it at full power, because he didn't. BTY, the Ayers Rock splitter is not his strongest move anymore, it's the Tenshou Kai Reki Jin
Goenitz and Ignitz can not defeat Bison with the Psycho Drive.
Goenitz did not destroy the city or stadium, the contents and atmosphere of the portal did. Anyone who can open the portal can do that. Now, in CVS2 G.Rugal set a city a blaze.

Originally posted by Sado22
~Sado
P.S. here's a pic of the entire roaster of KoF. Notice how Iori is shown next to the boss characters.
That pic is F**kin cool.

BTY, Ayers Rock is huge this pic is only the entrance to the Rock

I know what it is, I live in Australia... (Despite what my Location says 😛 )

dude..get a grip. I never seen a post of yours with this many typos.

Sado, I've asked you before to prove Ryu's age at the start of SF1, you couldn't tellme, and instead reliedon Tiamat's FAQ, I will say again, prove it, or don't use itin a debate.

well at least i DID proove it to an extent. when was the last time you proved your "DOB" around here any way?
Ryu is born 1964.

OMFG Iori now Equals Goenitz?!? WTF have you been smoking? ittook Both kyo and Iori to down Goenits, not Iori going toe-to-toe with him...

i said "COMPARABLE". Iori is practically a boss character.
and for the record, Mature literally considered Iori to be stronger than Geonitz.

The Magatama Flames are what renders Orochi weak enough to be sealed, the Flames are wielded by both the Kusanagi and Yagami, this is evidentin the games themselves so don'teven try that stund Sado...

show me proof. really. where the hell does it say that all Kyo and Iori have to do is touch Orochi with the flames for him to be sealed. you all are making it look like once Iori or Kyo bring on the flames, Orochi becomes an "UMANGA": a shrivelled up monkey penis!
*if you smelllllllllllllllll...what sado is cooking*

That proves absolutely nothing... Gokentou was actually fairly large for an island, covered with trees rocks and underbrush, so the islandwouldhave hadto have been there for sometime,nottomention the formation of rock meansit's old and solid. Oh, and Akuma did not use the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan to destroy it,this is proven by the fact that by SF3 2nd Impact, it was a brand new attack,andplease prove that it is Akuma's strongest move? It may say Ultimate Technique, but that has becomepretty vague, so Iask youto be moredefinitive,especially in the faceof the difference in power of theattacks.

spare me the geography lessons. the point is its not a metropolitan city at any rate.
as for the kongou kokuretsuzan, Akuma used and mastered that technique by SF3. i don't know about you but "ultimate technique" kinda puts me on the side of "strongest technique". especially since it took him all that training and years to finally master it. i doubt someone wastes all those years trying to learn things that aren't superior to those he already knows.
also we aren't SHOWN the island beind destroyed. IMO its fan folklore. when gouki did the attack, the island was in place with the place that he smacked burning ONLY.
of course i'll be honest enough to admit that i did play SFA2 a long time ago. but from what i remember, the island itself was in place and i have the pic from the game itself to prove it.

More like Busta Woof!!!

:hysterical:

Dude...He had serious help from most of the cast, he didn't do that all on his own.

dude..check the Kailu lantis faq. Terry was there fighting against heavily armed NESTS soldiers and while the team wanted to bail out Terry wanted to stick around as he was having fun.
dodging bullets by heavily armed people and having fun>>>>>dodging semi automatic rounds.

Nope, Ryu wasn't laid out, he physically took the shot, it just messed with his head.

you know what i mean.

Ryu was in his mid 30's in SF2, the Capcom Classics Collection states his complete DOB clearly. Ryu was out on his own years before 23, 23 would be more like SFA-SFA2. As far as dojo training goes, I would rather train with Gouken (1 of the strongest fighters in the world) and Ken (1 of the strongest fighters in the world) in a dojo then train in the streets with a bunch of nobodies.

DOB is 1964 am i not right?

the part of training is questionable. since you people like to get all "realistic" let me tell you one thing:
real fighting>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>dojo training

I can understand what you are saying for the Devil thing, but still throwing Jacks doesn't not compare to lifting 2 let's say, SUVs, with a man at the top with out a Devil Gene. Kazuya did not lift Jack effortlessly and he really didn't throw it 30ft, your over exaggerating Sado, just a tad.

dude Jacks way about a Ton at any rate, IMO. look at the size of those things...and you ahve that with weaponry, bullet proof armor and the bulky frame. and tossing something like that effortlessly (or without breaking a sweat at any rate) in a giant statue around 30 feet away does somewhat go up there with picking up boulders. those boulder weighed a ton or something IMO. they were big...not THAT big.
okay i'm exaggerating....29 feet😉

His power is not comparable to Goenitz, he lost to Ash Crimson. He may be a boss in his own universe but that does not apply to the rest of the fighting game universes.

wait a sec.
what part of me telling you that Mature considered Iori stronger than Geonitz didn't you get? also the tide did turn HEAVILY the moment Iori stepped in the picture. but fine not proof enough. how about the fact that Iori is considered a boss character too and is almost always shown with them in the official arts etc.
him literally calling rugal weak in KoF95 (the guy who was pwning the whole cast) shows his strength.
as for losing to ash:
-he was in a weakened stae
-orochi iori is weaker and less focused than Iori
-Ash is storyline VERY VERY powerful. in the KoFAD anime he literally burned the whole city of Southtown without breaking a sweat.

As far as the Orochi power goes it's in Iori's blood, he is supposed to use the power, it's his. Now let him not have lucked up with his so called "cursed blood", he would've ended up like Rugal and even with all his Orochi power, Rugal with that fraction he had would defeat Iori. Besides, who doesn't beat up a KOF cast now a days?

dude, Iori considered rugal weak. period.
as of now the only people who have pwned the KoF cast have been:
rugal, Ignitz and Orochi....all godtiers.

In CVS1 Bison was the boss of Cap and Rugal was the boss of SNK. Akuma and Evil Ryu were the super bosses

i was just playing it! 😠

Ayers Rock is very large and just because it's Akuma's strongest move does not mean he used it at full power, because he didn't.

...sounds contradictory. how do you anyway?

BTY, the Ayers Rock splitter is not his strongest move anymore, it's the Tenshou Kai Reki Jin

the what?

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
dude..get a grip. I never seen a post of yours with this many typos.

You'll have to excuse that, I need to get a new keyboard, as the Spacebar isn't working properly on this one.

Originally posted by Sado22
well at least i DID proove it to an extent. when was the last time you proved your "DOB" around here any way?
Ryu is born 1964.

No you didn't. All you did was toss in Tiamat's FAQ in and say "Look at this". Where does it say that Ryu was born in 64?

Originally posted by Sado22
i said "COMPARABLE". Iori is practically a boss character.
and for the record, Mature literally considered Iori to be stronger than Geonitz.

And that means what? it took both yo and Iori to down Goenitz... Thats a literral, Matures quote = an oppinion, I will take the literral over the oppinion any day.

Originally posted by Sado22
show me proof. really. where the hell does it say that all Kyo and Iori have to do is touch Orochi with the flames for him to be sealed. you all are making it look like once Iori or Kyo bring on the flames, Orochi becomes an "UMANGA": a shrivelled up monkey penis!
*if you smelllllllllllllllll...what sado is cooking*

Now your putting words in my mouth, I didn't say the flames SEAL the Orochi, but they weaken him enough for Chizuru to seal him, and no, it's not with a touch, it takes a susstained assault to do any damage. Oh and FYI, Only the flames where proven to even damage him, thats why Goro and Benimaru where out of the fight so easily.

Originally posted by Sado22
spare me the geography lessons. the point is its not a metropolitan city at any rate.
as for the kongou kokuretsuzan, Akuma used and mastered that technique by SF3. i don't know about you but "ultimate technique" kinda puts me on the side of "strongest technique". especially since it took him all that training and years to finally master it. i doubt someone wastes all those years trying to learn things that aren't superior to those he already knows.
also we aren't SHOWN the island beind destroyed. IMO its fan folklore. when gouki did the attack, the island was in place with the place that he smacked burning ONLY.
of course i'll be honest enough to admit that i did play SFA2 a long time ago. but from what i remember, the island itself was in place and i have the pic from the game itself to prove it.

"As Akuma's island dissapears, so does Akuma leaving behind the feeling of his fearome presense" that comes directlyu from Ryu's Alpha 2 ending. Care to try again? Only this time, bring more than some vague quote, because I just trumped your argument for the 2nd time.

remulus here's the part of Terry and the soldiers:

Much to Terry's surprise, the final battle is scheduled to be in
Southtown, where it all began. Terry is suspicious about NESTS' actions in his hometown. Terry, who knows the city like the palm of his hand, leads the others to their meeting place: an abandoned factory in the industrial zone. Upon arrival, Terry notices a huge hustle around the factory. They look like soldiers, but are they good or evil? His answer soon arrives when the soldiers attack without warning. Terry has no problems in dealing with the trash with his incredible fighting skill. But the overwhelming number of troops forces Terry and the others to retreat inside the building. Once inside, and while Terry is starting to have some fun, the whole factory begins to tremble.

~Sado

As Akuma's island dissapears, so does Akuma leaving behind the feeling of his fearome presense" that comes directlyu from Ryu's Alpha 2 ending. Care to try again? Only this time, bring more than some vague quote, because I just trumped your argument for the 2nd time.

ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....................................maybe ryu's eyes got blurry
😆 😂 🤣
fine you win on this one.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....................................maybe ryu's eyes got blurry
😆 😂 🤣
fine you win on this one.

~Sado

YAHOOOO

"Hey, I'm one badass Motherf*^ker, You are honored" [/Badly misquoted movie DJ]

don't get too full of yourself 😠
remember that after this quote we didn't see DJ again in the anime......ever! 😉

~Sado

Yeah, I know I know... But that line wasso great, I had to use it! 😆

man that anime had some horrible script! you remember the last scene of the movie....you have Ken and Ryu have been fantacizing about each other throughout the entire anime and what do they say:

*stand in silence till Eliza comes up to pick up Ken*

Ken: you need a ride?
Ryu: nah, i'm fine.
Ken: *getting in the car* you've gotten stronger you know that?
Ryu: you too
Ken: see ya *drives off*
Ryu: *walks away fantasizing about Ken*
😠
~Sado

SF2 is the best fighting game anime movie to date.

1964 is the date that ryu was born according the sf 2 instruction booklet

sf is up to date ya know. ryu isn't that old

he is end 20 or beginning 30

he punshed the island with just one punch and he didn't used much strenght, like it was nothing. akuma was powerfull enough in sf alpha to destroy big things

his new move that he learned in sf 3 , he tested it on ayers rock.

The strongest move of Akuma is Misogi, but he only does it when he is Shin Akuma

Shun Goku Satsu kills you according storyline

Misogi splits mountains

And Kongou Konkouratsuzan or something 😛 is powerfull too

DON'T FORGET that we have never seen Akuma using all his strenght and power against somebody!!! Even NON Canon endings like Capcom Fighting Jam when he punshed a comet into little pieces with again just a punch. I Think Shin Akuma can do such things like that!!!!

1964 July 21 is Ryu's D.O.B.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
He didn't wipe out Uluru completely, just slashed it in two.

Cracking the bedrock below and casuing a small earthquake in the prcoess. Not to mention that I doubt Goukentou is comparable in size to Uluru.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

The island he demolished actually sunk beneath the oceans surface, which means one of two things, he's either pulverised the entire island into rubble which then flattened itself against the ocean floor. Or he's moved the tectonic platesaround the island and actually pushed that plate deeper into the Earth. Either eventuality is a whuge feat, monsterous compared to simply slashing a gigantic solid rock in half

Most likely the former since the island was on fire due to molten rock spewing from the ground.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Who is then? It's when you blatantly have way too much in common w/another that you become a ripoff

Ya dont say...

Originally posted by brainchild81
I have to see these name & games then. More importantly, do they say what I asked for?

Then go see it. You know where the links are.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
Why is this still continuing? Ryo doesn't stand a chance against Kazuya.

Wich SNK hero you think it would stand a chance or definatly win?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Cracking the bedrock below and casuing a small earthquake in the prcoess. Not to mention that I doubt Goukentou is comparable in size to Uluru.

Why do you doubt it?Most islands of any decent size (Large enough to support underground caverns like the Alpha 2 Akuma stage) are all larger than Uluru...

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Most likely the former since the island was on fire due to molten rock spewing from the ground.

Then, wouldn't that be the latter? Shifting a tectonic plate would cause huge quakes and large amounts of volcanic activity.

Originally posted by olympian
Then go see it. You know where the links are.
Not really. I went to both wikies Ryu & Ripoff Suckazaki & didn't see them. You still didn't answer, did a person or group claim both characters?

🙄

Continue to play the fool, Brain. Im not wasting my time with that after i showed it FOUR times already.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Why do you doubt it?Most islands of any decent size (Large enough to support underground caverns like the Alpha 2 Akuma stage) are all larger than Uluru...
Goukntou was never shown to support underground caverns and is fairly small.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Then, wouldn't that be the latter? Shifting a tectonic plate would cause huge quakes and large amounts of volcanic activity.

Problem with that is most small islands were previously underwater volcano's or Created by them. Also, when I said earthquakes I was taking about Uluru being split in half.