Originally posted by Remulous
[B][COLOR=green]I was not frustrated, I was just stating facts. How does my post sound like I'm frustrated (Even though know one can hear me or anyone else for that matter.) So how can you tell I'm frustrated, I was just stating as facts as I said earlier.
Sure sounded like it to me. You were claiming that Ryu LOSES in these forums not to mention YOU specifying on the "Capcom Hate" and how some people seem to be against YOU.
Originally posted by Sado22
so wait...any boss losing to the hero is jobbing? so that means that ALL games have a job-whore hero?
Originally posted by Sado22You can't be serious, me a fan boy. I thought SF and SNK were fun games to play but I never really was a fan of either. Honestly, this board is beginning to make me hate them.
come on...stop the fanboyism.
Originally posted by Sado22When?
also you wanna know what they have going: okay lets list them:
-Terry Bogard. capable of dodging machine gun bullets, capable of taking down a whole unit of a heavily armed army unit by himself and actually having fun,
Originally posted by Sado22Once again, you fail to realize that SNK how do you all call it "god tiers" are very different from Capcom's. Just because he outclassed his games "god tiers" does not mean he can outclass the "god tiers" the SFs have to put up with. That whole "disintegrating" bit is absolutely irrelevant. Surviving a Kaiser Wave does not mean unmatched heart and stamina, you do know that right? That can very well be compared to Ryu surviving Bison's Psycho shot in Alpha 3. I think Ryu and Terry is a draw.
outlasted a godtier, beat advanced human with so much power that he was disintegrating because of it in a one-on-one fight, unmatched heart and stamina (capable of getting right up after a kaiser wave for instance)
Originally posted by Sado22You lack the necessary knowledge to debate against SF. Ryu has over 40 years of training, Gouken started training Ryu since he was able to do so. I can say that Ryu may have more training then Terry.
30+ years of fighting expereince (vs. 10 years of fighting experiene for ryu)
Originally posted by Sado22Yes because so far you haven't provided me with anything.
...want more?
Originally posted by Sado22All that still does not compare to lifting 2 boulders that are roughly the size of tanks and a person to top it off. Not to mention that Devil helped Kazuya in nearly all those feats.
-Kazuya: survived falling off a really, really high cliff as a child (pact with devil made AFTER climbing the ravine by the way), capable of breaking armor plated robots in half with ONE PUNCH that wasn't even his strongest at any rate, picked up heavy ass robot, spun around, smacked it into 6 other heavy ass robot, tossed it 30 feet away into HUGE metal statue of Buddha and shattering both heavy ass, armor plated robot and the statue....again not even exposing his true strength here. so here's a thought: can a guy who picks up 8foot armor plated robots that could very well weigh a ton and toss it atleast 30feet away pick up a boulder? hmm.....
Originally posted by Sado22I wont even dignify that answer with a response.
-Jin kazama: dude, the guy is stronger than Kazuya and Hachi. Nuff said.
Originally posted by Sado22Plot device. Orochi is weak against Kyo's flame, If Orochi was not weak against Kyo's flame Kyo would have been defeated. Strange how Kyo can K.O. a "god" yet he can't even come remotely close to beating Iori. How can you not see that as being a plot device, you must really like Kyo. Not to mention while Kyo put all his power into that attack and Iori is holding him so that Kyo can land the hit. You make it seem as if it was a normal punch, that so called "punch" is the strongest attack Kyo has ever used. I see you mention this punch K.O. thing alot, you should never use it again because there are so many things wrong with that, some I have yet to mention. Never use that feat again. Kyo has yet to dodge bullets or lift over a ton.
-Kyo: when was the last time Ryu knocked out Sagat? never....unless you're counting cheapie shoryuken in SF1. yeah, well try KO'ing a god with one punch. Ryu can't even KO a hightier so let alone KO'ing not godtier but a god. oh wait...but that was jobbing, right? regardless, facts remain facts. Kyo KO'd a god. Ryu never could. no chance.
Originally posted by Sado22This doesn't even deserve a response.
-Iori: is stronger, faster and more dangerous than Kyo. Period.
Originally posted by Sado22If your providing it...I'll pass.
still need a dictionary?
Originally posted by Sado22Are you calling me a fanboy? I could say something but I wont. The SF "high tiers" are not higher because an inadequate debater says so. I'de rather believe the barks of an ally dog over that.
they are higher because a SF fanboy states they are higher. sure. get some proof.
Originally posted by Sado22Well, if this is the case no one has proof of anything because no one can prove a victor in a battle that will never happen.
FACT: you have no way of prooving that not jobbing means they are higher or better than any other game's bosses. nor is this proof that SF cast is superior....heck it could very well mean they suck.
Originally posted by Sado22😆 That really isn't a fact and you have the nerve to tell me that, you should practice what you preach.
FACT: don't assume things you have no hope of knowing.
Originally posted by Sado22Actually, in the 1st CVS game Geese was below Bison level and it was Rugal who rivaled Bison they changed it so that the 2 bosses could be more even for story purposes., so by using you logic... SNK characters<<SF characters
FACT: geese and bison have been placed on the same level by both game produceers....so for f--k sake the safest bet we have is that SFtiers=SNKtiers.....and of course from taht analogy, SNK characters>>SF characters.
Originally posted by Sado22Orochi can beat Bison, but no one else in SNK can. The Jin twins are not that powerful. Gouki's island is larger then a city in which Gouki destroyed in a single punch, nor was he even Shin. Gouki far outclasses Goenitz. Also, Goenitz never destroyed a city but I will give him a penny for his efforts.
when was the last time Bison could destroy the world...with his own power at any rate? Orochi can. heck the Jin twins have shown more power than Bison.
akuma can break ayres rock in half. *claps* good for him. Geonitz f--ked up a whole city with a glimpse of his power.
Originally posted by Sado22It's like a Country(SNK) VS a Town(SF)
...your point?
Originally posted by Sado22The felling is mutual Sado22
you know you and i will be seeing a lot of eachother. i have no beef against you or something nor do i think you're my mortal enemy or something. Lets make it a good debate. good luck🙂
Originally posted by Sado22Cool. If that's true, what Oly said has even less worth🙂
a little correction for the Iori-Legato story. the inspiration for Iori style of appearance is inspired from/homage to one manga artist who designed Legato and Brandon Heat. For the record Iori has the same appearane as Legato Bluesummers and Brandon Heat/Beyond the Grave who are both designed by the same guy: tall, stooping broad shoulders and the hair covering one eye, with a long bony face and high cheek bones. hence the similarity.
and for the record, i'm pretty sure Iori came before Legato since Trigun came out in 1999.
that out of the way.
Originally posted by Sado22If you're talking about the links to the Japanese stuff, I said a while back that I had no translator. Still, did anybody claim Ryu & the ripoff's creation?
both are pretty common names and having them with similar names may or may not be intentional. its on wikipedia like Oly told you long time back.
Originally posted by Sado22Watch yourself mane. I was talking about the shin faggy comment. That is name calling. We're better than that.
AGAIN...not name calling. read what i said: i was taking a few pro-Ryu people's names of the top of my head to prove Remulus wrong. what are you defficient?
now don't tell me that you didn't join in the fray and say ryu would pwn Kazuya/Terry now did you? what was your opinion about Ryo/ryu? what about Jin/ryu and even kyo/Ryu? so get the picture....pro-ryu. not fanboy. i never said fanboy. putting words in my mouth.....again!
Originally posted by Sado22Ken. Ryu unlike Terry fights people there to win, not lose all the time to make him look good. When was the last time Terry won by himself against somebody who wasn't a jobber or a nobody? Seriously dude, if it was just me, you'd have something, everybody knows I don't have much love for Terry. But you have Terry fans(everybody here but me I think) saying the same thing. Terry has been jobbing the s**t outta people. That seems to be how SNK gets down. You don't have to see it that way, but I honestly can't see it any other way. I hold everybody to the same standards of approval, I'm not gonna go easy on a character I'm not fond of mane.
as for the jobber argument well, its been 6 months and we're back to square one with every other thread aren't we. tedious but what the hell.
also you have no choice but to say Ryu'd lose cuz you know...when was the last time he won against any tough opponent?
Originally posted by Sado22Huh? You've gotta type that again correctly to get your point across.
no its more like this:
if anyone other than Ryu beats someone tough, its jobbing. if ryu beats someone tough, he did it through sheer training and willpower and skill.
Terry beat Geese in FF1 but that was jobbing. apparently no one can beat someone a non-godtier boss because that's jobbing.
Originally posted by Sado22😆 What are you defficient? Is that what you've gotten from all these posts? Seriously dude, has anybody said anything anywhere near like that? Hell to the no! 1st, nobody ever said Ryu should be beating bosses more than anyone else. 2nd it's quite obvious that we have no problem w/Ryu losing to bosses, in fact we like it because it keeps our bosses boss-like. So that "aside from Ryu" statement was just foolish. That seems like something said out of frustration. Relax mane. Beating bosses is something that should be built up to. Kinda like Kyo getting his ass whooped by Goenitz and then working hard to be better next time. Terry's whole Hulk Hogan routine was played out from the start. & even HH has losses on his record. We never implied they should always lose, just that they shouldn't ALWAYS win single handedly, unless of course you like the bosses to look weak as hell. Don't blame us for not just eating up lame & repetitive story telling just because you do. It's more like "everybody's capable of losing except Terry" & that makes perfect sense to you.
apparently heroes, aside from ryu, should always lose to the boss.
Originally posted by Sado22I have to see this thread
however Sagat (as most people think as was evident in the Sagat/Ryu thread sometime back) losing to Ryu would not be jobbing but a battle of skill where Ryu, of course, would prevail.
Originally posted by Sado22I thought that he got roughed up by Gouki after he got jumped. I didn't mention a specific Bison, I said Bison. I don't put words in your mouth. It's usually the other way around. Terry's getting f**ked up from whatever version used.
and again, you're annoying habit of putting words in my mouth continues:
i didn't say SFA3 Bison or even alpha Bison. i said STREET FIGHTER TWO bison would lose to Terry. SF2 Bison is not godtier but hightier and terry has outlasted other hightiers before so him outlasting a hightier isn't out of question. not to mention i said that ages ago. what has SF2 Bison done that makes you people think he's unbeatable. he probably lost to Guile/Chunli and most people here agree that Guile would lose to Terry any day. so do the math.
Originally posted by Sado22Or you can say it's SNKs fault. I don't really care who you blame for it. It's just lame. Terry was spoon fed jobber bosses & nobodies to make him look good. Look @ FF history mane. & you don't have to tell me that Terry didn't lose. I know that. WE ALL know that. This guy never loses. Ken fights whoever's put in front of him & there's no time limit bullsh*t put in place to save him from a loss like there is for this one guy that wears a hat. Terry doesn't have to get curbstomped, just lose straight up. Him getting curbstomped would just be a bonus😈 Everybody should be laid out @ least once.
please name any tough opponent Ken has faced besides Ryu and Bison (for whom he was getting help). come on tell me. Sakura is not in his league, neither is Karin Kanzuki, neither is Sean.
Compare that to Geese, Krauser, Ryo, Kyo, Iori, K', Ash, Grant, Rock....and i could just go on and on and on. And you know...Terry didn't lose to them either. IMO all of these people here can whip Ken's butt to hell except Rock of course. but keeping my opinion aside, tell me has Ken faced such competition? no way! has he spent 25 years fighting? no.And someone here was talking of facing lame competition to look good. at least Terry wasn't spoon fed little school girls to fight so he could look good. at least terry didn't have rookies fighting him so he could look good.
oh but that's right...they were jobbing terry. i mean its terry's fault that none of these people could curbstomp him like Brainchild wants.
Originally posted by Sado22I have no problem w/somebody being good. It's when they're made to seem unbeatable(IE, no losses) that they start to bore me. You don't seem to get that. Try a lil' harder to understand mane.
its his fault that he manages to hold his own...because for a guy, who spent more time on the streets fighting and honing his skills longer than almost ALL fighters in fighting games (a whopping 30+ years on the streets) it is totally unacceptable for him to be an exceptionally good fighter and be skilled enough to hold his own against fighter.
however, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense when someone (akuma) trains to inhuman levels and becomes godtier. but for a guy who has been fighting for 30+ years, its unfathomable that he is really, really good.
Originally posted by Sado22The gap between Ryu & Ken has always been described as slim as can be, so no there was no jobbing. When it's that close victory is never certain. That's how it is when you're fighting cats who are actually there to win and have glory for themselves instead of throwing their faces into your fists like the jobbers & nobodies Terry beats up on do. Gouki trained hard and used deadly force and forbidden tech to win. It's not rockect science. & I think you said something about Ryu beating Geese & then Bison? Where was this @? please quote it.
(and i'll save you the trouble: don't even start to assume that I'm saying Terry is gotier)not to mention that Ryu, more skilled than Ken, losing to Ken isn't jobbing. goutetsu a skilled veteran losing to Gouki isn't jobbing either. but Geese losing to Terry is jobbing because, you know, Geese is way cooler.
& Lighten up mane.
Originally posted by RemulousDon't let them get you down. It's amazing how some can't admit Terry'd likely get beaten by O.Iori, but somehow you're the one w/the sensitivity.
For the record, I did not say Ryu would beat Talbain, I just said it wouldn't be a slaughter! What the f**k is up with you people? I was simply saying Ryu could hang cuz I wanted the thread I created to stay alive. You guys have Ryu losing to Kyo for God sakes. And you want to talk about me cuz I said Ryu can beat Jin, Iori, and Terry, WTF 🤨 ? The Capcom hate is extreme here. I'll admit that when I first got here I thought Ryu was untouchable but since then I have said Ryu loses to plenty of people.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroGood post. Sado is the kind of fan writers must love. He just swallows everything & never asks any questions, when we're dealing w/SNK of course. That's awesome.
Why is my name being dredged up in this? How many times have I said Ryu wins?, Screw that, how many times have I said Ryu has lost?I can tell you right now Sads, that I have said he''s had alot of losses and draws, there is no reason for me to state against my own oppinion for the sake of other people... Yes, I feel sure that Ryu will just about draw with the majority of "Hero" characters from SNK, and despite what you may think, I can say that based on the pure fact that the "Big Bad Bosses" of SNK are jobbers in the end, there is no logical reason why those guys lost their matches, and youknow it.
It took Huge feats from multiple people to bring down thebosses from Street Fighter, For example, Bison got owned by about 6 people operating simultaneously, including some big names like Ryu, en and Sagat.
This ismy oppinion, and it doesn't change for nobody,itonly changes when the facts change, thank you.
&King Nothing you seem to be cool and realize that this sh*t's not that serious, but if you say Terry's got the edge over Iori or Kyo again....I will throw a ninja star @ your nuts. 🙂
Whoa, you have totally gone off road with this. I don't know how you could've interpreted that from my post, are you Okay?
When?
Once again, you fail to realize that SNK how do you all call it "god tiers" are very different from Capcom's. Just because he outclassed his games "god tiers" does not mean he can outclass the "god tiers" the SFs have to put up with. That whole "disintegrating" bit is absolutely irrelevant. Surviving a Kaiser Wave does not mean unmatched heart and stamina, you do know that right? That can very well be compared to Ryu surviving Bison's Psycho shot in Alpha 3. I think Ryu and Terry is a draw.
You lack the necessary knowledge to debate against SF. Ryu has over 40 years of training, Gouken started training Ryu since he was able to do so. I can say that Ryu may have more training then Terry.
All that still does not compare to lifting 2 boulders that are roughly the size of tanks and a person to top it off. Not to mention that Devil helped Kazuya in nearly all those feats.
I wont even dignify that answer with a response.
Plot device. Orochi is weak against Kyo's flame, If Orochi was not weak against Kyo's flame Kyo would have been defeated. Strange how Kyo can K.O. a "god" yet he can't even come remotely close to beating Iori. How can you not see that as being a plot device, you must really like Kyo. Not to mention while Kyo put all his power into that attack and Iori is holding him so that Kyo can land the hit. You make it seem as if it was a normal punch, that so called "punch" is the strongest attack Kyo has ever used. I see you mention this punch K.O. thing alot, you should never use it again because there are so many things wrong with that, some I have yet to mention. Never use that feat again. Kyo has yet to dodge bullets or lift over a ton.
This doesn't even deserve a response.
Are you calling me a fanboy? I could say something but I wont. The SF "high tiers" are not higher because an inadequate debater says so. I'de rather believe the barks of an ally dog over that.
Actually, in the 1st CVS game Geese was below Bison level and it was Rugal who rivaled Bison they changed it so that the 2 bosses could be more even for story purposes., so by using you logic... SNK characters<<SF characters
Orochi can beat Bison, but no one else in SNK can. The Jin twins are not that powerful. Gouki's island is larger then a city in which Gouki destroyed in a single punch, nor was he even Shin. Gouki far outclasses Goenitz. Also, Goenitz never destroyed a city but I will give him a penny for his efforts.
once again sorry for the parts that I was rude in. it wasn't my intention. look forward to your reply.
~Sado
P.S. here's a pic of the entire roaster of KoF. Notice how Iori is shown next to the boss characters.
not that i know of. i wish it were though, its a cool pic.
also sorry about the "deficient" comment...kinda comes naturally when someone puts words in your mouth for the umpteenth time 😈
~The Misunderstood Sado-sama
P.S. Iori isn't the only thing funny about this pic. Rock is looking up Shingo @$$ too 😆
Originally posted by brainchild81
If you're talking about the links to the Japanese stuff, I said a while back that I had no translator. Still, did anybody claim Ryu & the ripoff's creation?
Originally posted by brainchild81
Cool. If that's true, what Oly said has even less worth🙂
Originally posted by Remulous
Other then Brain Child, who else thinks thatTerry jobs? You know that the that KOFers job and there is nothing wrong with that, just don't think because they are able to beat the crap out of there own characters that it would be just as easy with other video game companies.
::Raises Hand:: because he does, if terry beats boss tiers so easily then the dude should at least be able to reach the semi finals in kof ffs.
Originally posted by King Nothing
I will admit that Ryu is probably the strongest 2d fighting game hero, or at least in the top 3. You all will have to come to a harsh (harsh to some) reality in this thread, some day.
I give you that one.
Originally posted by King Nothing
Even though Terry has the edge over Kyo and Iori, he is no longer the flag ship. As of now, Kyo is the most important character.
I know and it sucks dosent it?
Originally posted by King Nothing
-Ryu VS Terry is more of a draw then anything else.
I agree but the Ryu supporters(mainly the majority)think otherwise. Only Sado was the only one tall enough to say that Terry beats Ryu and for that, his head was placed in a vice. 😆
Originally posted by King Nothing
-Ryo is a rip off, but that doesn't make him a bad fighter.
Well I still disagree somewhat. Though he is a very good fighter and AOF gameplay wise is different from SF...though I am sure you know that.
I agree pretty much with everything else stated.
I agree but the Ryu supporters(mainly the majority)think otherwise. Only Sado was the only one tall enough to say that Terry beats Ryu and for that, his head was placed in a vice.
::Raises Hand:: because he does, if terry beats boss tiers so easily then the dude should at least be able to reach the semi finals in kof ffs.
~KMC Chainsaw Massacre LeatherFace Sado-sama
Originally posted by Sado22
*chops his arm down with a chainsaw*
😠
terry DOES reach the semifinals for the record. Kaliu lantils, Kalau Lantis or whatever even agrees on that part. Terry's been making it to the semis since KoF94. i'll post the link if you are skeptical.~KMC Chainsaw Massacre LeatherFace Sado-sama
😄
I'm skeptical,BTW
Originally posted by brainchild81Down? It's more like confused. This $hit is crazy.
Don't let them get you down. It's amazing how some can't admit Terry'd likely get beaten by O.Iori, but somehow you're the one w/the sensitivity.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI don't think he beats'em easy, he has hard earned victorioes. He should reach the semi finals but for some reason he doesn't. You'll have to ask SNK about that.
::Raises Hand:: because he does, if terry beats boss tiers so easily then the dude should at least be able to reach the semi finals in kof ffs.
Originally posted by olympianWho is then? It's when you blatantly have way too much in common w/another that you become a ripoff. Ryo seems like a cheap try to cash in on Ryu's popularity. Iori's not a ripoff or a bad joke like Ryo. There's really no comparison. I have to see these name & games then. More importantly, do they say what I asked for? Do they claim Ryu & Ryo?
The names of the gents as well as the games were in English....Except for the part that he isent all original.
Originally posted by Sado22You should have put The Misunderstanding Sado-sama😆 You've been interpreting what I & a few others have been saying in a seriously flawed fashion. I haven't been putting words in your mouth either.
not that i know of. i wish it were though, its a cool pic.
also sorry about the "deficient" comment...kinda comes naturally when someone puts words in your mouth for the umpteenth time 😈~The Misunderstood Sado-sama
P.S. Iori isn't the only thing funny about this pic. Rock is looking up Shingo @$$ too 😆
That's Rock?! Why the hell'd they make him a kid again?
Originally posted by Sado22
Dude...Ryu is 33 in SF3. that's 20 years of training AT BEST! he started street fighting when he was 23. 10 years of fighting experience.
also dojo training doesn't mean shit to actual fighting. Terry's been FIGHTING FOR 30+ YEARS. Do some more research on the age bit if you don't believe me.
Sado, I've asked you before to prove Ryu's age at the start of SF1, you couldn't tellme, and instead reliedon Tiamat's FAQ, I will say again, prove it, or don't use itin a debate.
Originally posted by Sado22
you mean the Iori whose power is comparable to Geonitz...that Iori? you mean the Iori who is practically a boss character in KoF universe? you mean the Iori who can handle the power of which only a fraction of was pwning the entire KoF95 roaster and consumed and vaporized someone as powerful as Rugal.
as for "plot device" no where has it ever been said that Orochi is weak against the Kusanagi flames. look about it. NEVER has it ever been said.
OMFG Iori now Equals Goenitz?!? WTF have you been smoking? ittook Both kyo and Iori to down Goenits, not Iori going toe-to-toe with him...
The Magatama Flames are what renders Orochi weak enough to be sealed, the Flames are wielded by both the Kusanagi and Yagami, this is evidentin the games themselves so don'teven try that stund Sado...
Originally posted by Sado22
no the island was just a island no need to go saying something like that since there is no proof that it is. for all we know its a big rock in the middle of nowhere. not to mention how his strongest move could only crack ayres rock in half...hardly equivalent to destroying a city now is it.
Goenitz, Omega rugal, Ignitz can beat Bison. other than that yes.
as for Goenitz, have you seen his stage in KoF96...yeah did you see that huge portal in the sky, the wrecked stadium and nothing in sight of the city that the stadium was in........?
That proves absolutely nothing... Gokentou was actually fairly large for an island, covered with trees rocks and underbrush, so the islandwouldhave hadto have been there for sometime,nottomention the formation of rock meansit's old and solid. Oh, and Akuma did not use the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan to destroy it,this is proven by the fact that by SF3 2nd Impact, it was a brand new attack,andplease prove that it is Akuma's strongest move? It may say Ultimate Technique, but that has becomepretty vague, so Iask youto be moredefinitive,especially in the faceof the difference in power of theattacks.
Sinking an island entirely>>>>>slashing a huge rock in two>>>>>demolishing the remainsofa sunken ship.
besides that, i read that his powers in the end of sf alpha were strong enough to blow mountains and islands. so he didn't blew only Gokentou up
and being to stand against the pressure when he was under water is unbelieveble
his strenght in his fists are unmatched. and he is not slow too. his feats were done without taking much effort. like it was nothing.....
( i want to see Akuma using all his strenght and making a effort against somebody) 😛 😄😄