Originally posted by capt it upLogan defeating Daredevil in a fist fight with in 5 panels
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What title/number is that book?
Originally posted by Buccaneer
I didn't ask a question of how many excuses there could have been. Was Wolverine hurt by the hits? Yes. That was my point. Case closed. Dying doesn't matter, it's not like you're physically more vulnerable all around if you've been poisoned.
Also why do you keep using this reference. It from 20 years ago. He been massively upgrades since then. You know were taking the characters at there best not worst.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Good for him. But being knocked out isn't a matter of bones or muscles. Your brain can be rattled regardless of how hard your skeleton is, and that's what could do it.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Please, read my posts....[b]with your eyes, if you've been using something else. He can beat them, sure, because adamantium can cut through anything. But it's bull if he takes a full on punch from the Hulk and gets right back up. [/B]
He been taking this from hulk since the start. I already named you issues were wolverine took hits from hulk and got right back up.
Hulk 340
Hulk vs wolverine #8
She hulk issue 16 wolverine takes this from wendigo
Marvel Comics Presents Wolverine vs. The Incredible Hulk issue 55:
Originally posted by Buccaneer
...Are you saying consciousness is an asset of willpower? Please, k nocked out is knocked out. The damn Hulk gets knocked out, and there aren't many people tougher than he is. OFFICIALLY.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
...Good for him. However, you forget that this is Captain America's hand to hand gauntlet. They're absolutely meaningless in this discussion, as they don't fight hand to hand.
He a master at h2h combat and would destroy capt in skill as would stick.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
He's super strong, accute, large, vicious, has a super skeleton, and crazy healing factor. Of COUSE he can hang with Logan. But no one on this planet will tell you he's as SKILLED a martial artist as Cap.
I never said he was I said he was close to.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Swords again. What's this thread about?
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Wikipedia does wonders, my friend. Check it out if you ever have some free time.
No wonder your info sucks. Wikipedia is the most worthless site ever. I can tell you many pages upon pages of bad information
Originally posted by capt it up
Actually DD cause the adams apple to be pushed back which is damage to the body which would heal instantly. He was grasping at his neck as if damage. A berserker wolverine does not stop untill he or the other is dead or defeated. That neck jabb would not have slowed him down in the least. Your talking about a guy who takes gun shots to the same area with out flinching and yet he gets taking out by that?
Ok so his adams apple was pushed back. So? Theres not damage done. Only loss of breath. Why arent you understanding that? Ive been hit in the throat by nothing was broken or dislocated of sorts. He was grasping his neck in a way that would appear like he was choking due to lack of breath. Plus, who said that Wolvie was beserker there? Are you assuming he was? I think so.
Originally posted by capt it up
Hell in the same arch Logan had haft his body burned away and he was still totally conscious and yet a jab to the through took him out?
We're going in circles. Wovlie can heal from having his body burned. He cant heal from losing air.
Originally posted by capt it up
Actaully it does. And I love to see DD get out of a full nelson vs a person who equally as skilled.
Not really. There can be different circumstances that can allow it to happen. Also like i said before putting someone in a full nelson doesnt count as a victory in my book. Obviously it does in yours.😬
Originally posted by capt it up
You keep assuming some thing needs to be broking to have it healed. when your pinch, jab or kicked you are damaged. It may be slightly damaged, but it still damaged.
You dont understand. Logan was hit in the throat which cause lack of breath. Tell me capt, what is he gonna heal? If Logan was toget the wind knocked out of him, what is he gonna heal? Please tell me.
Originally posted by capt it up
He run out of breath under water and kept on fighting. He whole character personality is based off this. Also a jab to the throat caused him to run out of breath and yet in issue 31 of enemy of the state logan had a sword put in the same spot and he was still talking and trying to pull it out.
Can you show this? I wanna see him run out of breath underwater and still fight. Did he inhale the water?
Originally posted by capt it up
Yes it was PIS. It been shown to be PIS as well as the rest of the arch. Logan in that’s same arch was taking massive amount of damage with out falter and yet the jab takes him down?
Apples and oranges. Different types of attacks.
Originally posted by capt it up
Your own argument doomed you. Ya and do you recall that wolverine jump up and attack her right after it happen. He was not sitting there gasping holding his throat he was still able to battle and yet DD jabb which cause far less damage put logan down? Also the claws ripped out his throat of course it take some time to heal.
No. Not at all. Like i stated before, the attack was in a different area but not the same. I didnt see Wolvie say anything while the claws were in his neck. Once they got pulled out, he started to heal as well as talk. There was damage done. In the instance with DD, there was no damage, thus nothing to heal from. All Logan had to do was try and catch his breath. Wolvie was ready to go n and keep fighting after getting stabbed in the throat, YET he couldnt even tall Cage what he was doing there hence the "Hold on, im still healing. CAN BARELY TALK." By your statement "Also the claws ripped out his throat of course it take some time to heal." that again shows that there was damage. And again i say in DD's case there was no damage. Logan cant heal from lack of air.
Originally posted by capt it up
He was still a top tier fighter. So it not so much as a bad feat for him, because he was fighting differently, but a good feat for logan taking out a top tier fighter.
Lol. You cant keep saying Logan took him out if you want. Youre the only one who sees the fight that way seemingly. Its completely different than Enemy of the State when Daredevil CLEARLY took out Wolvie. That fight was conclusive. Wolvie was down and clearly beat. Good feat for Matt in taking out many hand ninjas with Wolvie included.
Originally posted by capt it up
How is that not a feat? He was made help less. What was DD gunna do? Would you have rather logan stab him in the head?
How was DD helpless? Explain. It was inconclusive. Logan stab him in the head? Now youre reachin cause its not like Logan never tried to take a swipe at DD before. You telling me the only way logan could have got a clear defeat on Matt is if he stabbed him in the head? 1 full nelson and DD realizes head defeated right? Sure. Believe that if you want.
Originally posted by capt it up
He was not going to get out he was beaten. He never gotten out of a nelson by some one on his level of skill.
Again. The fight was inconclusive. We dont know what would have happend. DD has been put in nelsons from people who were stronger than him before, and has got out. Holding someon in a full nelson doesnt require much skill. Its more strength than anything. Its not a defeat. Wolvie on the floor gasping for air is a defeat.
Originally posted by capt it up
It was a PIS showing ive proven it to be PIS. It a fact the whole arch was PIS and it sad your using it as evidence.
DD taking Wolvie down with a throat chop is PIS? Only in your opinion. Its sad you know Wolvie doesnt have any defeats on DD yet DD has 2 on him, so you use him putting Matt in a full nelson as a victory. Thats reaching on your part and quite sad.
Originally posted by capt it upAlso why do you keep using this reference. It from 20 years ago. He been massively upgrades since then. You know were taking the characters at there best not worst.
His whole body was made more dense. Also capt punching a person who body many tiems denser then his own which will make it a lot tougher to even cause wolverine any sort of damage. Any damage caused will healing instantly. Go read wolverine 51 and then tell me how capt going to take wolverine out.
Why?
He a master at h2h combat and would destroy capt in skill as would stick.
I never said he was I said he was close to.
No wonder your info sucks. Wikipedia is the most worthless site ever. I can tell you many pages upon pages of bad information
Everything is bad on wikipedia because you don't agree with what they say about Wolverine. Yes. Don't bother quoting this part, because you aren't even trying to understand my point about the state of berserk.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok so his adams apple was pushed back. So? Theres not damage done. Only loss of breath. Why arent you understanding that? Ive been hit in the throat by nothing was broken or dislocated of sorts. He was grasping his neck in a way that would appear like he was choking due to lack of breath. Plus, who said that Wolvie was beserker there? Are you assuming he was? I think so.We're going in circles. Wovlie can heal from having his body burned. He cant heal from losing air.
Not really. There can be different circumstances that can allow it to happen. Also like i said before putting someone in a full nelson doesnt count as a victory in my book. Obviously it does in yours.😬
You dont understand. Logan was hit in the throat which cause lack of breath. Tell me capt, what is he gonna heal? If Logan was toget the wind knocked out of him, what is he gonna heal? Please tell me.
Can you show this? I wanna see him run out of breath underwater and still fight. Did he inhale the water?
Apples and oranges. Different types of attacks.
No. Not at all. Like i stated before, the attack was in a different area but not the same. I didnt see Wolvie say anything while the claws were in his neck. Once they got pulled out, he started to heal as well as talk. There was damage done. In the instance with DD, there was no damage, thus nothing to heal from. All Logan had to do was try and catch his breath. Wolvie was ready to go n and keep fighting after getting stabbed in the throat, YET he couldnt even tall Cage what he was doing there hence the "Hold on, im still healing. CAN BARELY TALK." By your statement "Also the claws ripped out his throat of course it take some time to heal." that again shows that there was damage. And again i say in DD's case there was no damage. Logan cant heal from lack of air.
Lol. You cant keep saying Logan took him out if you want. Youre the only one who sees the fight that way seemingly. Its completely different than Enemy of the State when Daredevil CLEARLY took out Wolvie. That fight was conclusive. Wolvie was down and clearly beat. Good feat for Matt in taking out many hand ninjas with Wolvie included.
How was DD helpless? Explain. It was inconclusive. Logan stab him in the head? Now youre reachin cause its not like Logan never tried to take a swipe at DD before. You telling me the only way logan could have got a clear defeat on Matt is if he stabbed him in the head? 1 full nelson and DD realizes head defeated right? Sure. Believe that if you want.
Again. The fight was inconclusive. We dont know what would have happend. DD has been put in nelsons from people who were stronger than him before, and has got out. Holding someon in a full nelson doesnt require much skill. Its more strength than anything. Its not a defeat. Wolvie on the floor gasping for air is a defeat.
DD taking Wolvie down with a throat chop is PIS? Only in your opinion. Its sad you know Wolvie doesnt have any defeats on DD yet DD has 2 on him, so you use him putting Matt in a full nelson as a victory. Thats reaching on your part and quite sad.
I answer this later over pm's I want to debate this other guy instead since it actaully has to do with the thread plus he wrong constantly and I have had this same debate with you 10 times so I know I can answer it any time.
Originally posted by Hulk rules all
The good Captain gets stopped cold by the Spiderman. A good battle but Spiderman a bit too much for even the good Captain. Spiderman can KO a herald like Firelord, no way the good Captain can do this. The only herald level character the good Captain would be able to beat most of the time is Thor.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer
I'll be honest and say that I don't regularly collect Wolvie comics. But recent example, fine. Namor.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Not damage, knockout. You will neevr be able to convince anyone other than yourself that a tough human cannot be knocked out. The thing I said about the brain? It's not being hurt that does it. You can be knocked out with absolutely no brain damage, and consciousness would not depend on the state of your organs. Also, scientific fact. Unltess Wolverine's too badass to fact.
In order to KO some one some thing has to happen to the brain or functions in the body you don’t simply just get nocked out. The fact is wolverine has proven in comic book fact to constantly taking hits from class 100’s. Capt can not produce that kinda of damage. Also what makes you even think capt going to out fight wolverine? Wolverines just as skilled and has many other attriubutes that capt him self does not have
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Because he's been sensibly knocke dout before.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Nice made up fact. Yes, made up. You're clearly lying to yourself if you think these guys would beat Logan in hand to hand just because they one upped wolvie at some point. Go on, try to prove Ogun comes anywehre near Cap in hand to hand.
Do you even understand how much more knowledge ogun and stick have as well as training and experience?
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Thanks. Spare BS people like Sabretooth in this thread, because it's about Cap's hand to hand skill, and nothing else, really.
Capt does not have the ability to put logan down. Logan easily has the ability to put capt down.
Hell logans punches are a lot harder then capts as well.
Originally posted by Buccaneer
Everything is bad on wikipedia because you don't agree with what they say about Wolverine. Yes. Don't bother quoting this part, because you aren't even trying to understand my point about the state of berserk.
I know your point and it wrong. Marvel ahs there own definition of wolverine’s berserker as I have already proven.
Originally posted by capt it up
Who hit wolverine re 3 times prior to that and wolverine kept getting back up. Hell Logan pwned namor twice in that issue and namor only got the KO from behind. Also how does this help you? Namor hit wolverine 3 or 4 times before he was able to even achieve a KO from a sneak attack.
It helps me because my point was, believe or not, Wolverine can be knocked out. I didn't even see the fight, but since he got knocked out, yes, that means he can is liable to be knocked out from blunt force. Did his healing factor keep him awake after the sucker punch? No? Then my point has been made and cannot be refuted.
Real world facts and comic facts do not mix. Unless you think people can now fly, lift up buildings and move at super speeds.
Real world facts apply unless stated otherwise. Otherwise no one has any point at all. By your logic, I could say humans in the MU have three extra liters of blood, and technically not be wrong.
In order to KO some one some thing has to happen to the brain or functions in the body you don’t simply just get nocked out. The fact is wolverine has proven in comic book fact to constantly taking hits from class 100’s. Capt can not produce that kinda of damage.
Also what makes you even think capt going to out fight wolverine? Wolverines just as skilled and has many other attriubutes that capt him self does not have
Right, well, this is all about the h2h standpoint. I don't deny Wolverine's good at martial arts, but you still are unable to prove that'd he'd beat Cap with it every time, as you said. I don't deny he could beat Cap hand to hand, but everytime? I honestly don't think his skills are that consistently great.
Capt was unable to take out a Wolverine who was not only holding back, but was far from 100%
Purely hand to hand? Cause that's my argument.
Are you an idiot? It common knowledge that both ogun and stick would spank capt in skill. Both of them have had over 1000 years of experience. Both of which through martial art’s lone became superhumans with magical abilities. Ogun is able to posses people. Ogun also has been still the best fighters in the worlds knowledge for the last 1000 years as well as developing other styles of fighting.Do you even understand how much more knowledge ogun and stick have as well as training and experience?
So being able to posess people means he's great hand to hand? You know, the Hand are considered to be a group of ninja masters as well, so there goes his claim. And yet, those dozens get their asses kicked every single time by a credible hero.
When you can't prove Ogun has any hand to hand merit, you should probably stop mentioning him in that capacity.
So now sabertooth is BS? Sabertooth would kick the shit out of capt and yet wolverine has a tied record vs him in combat.
That SURE means a lot. But it would mean a lot more if Cap had an adamantium skeleton, healing factor, and strength like Tooth does.
And because you mentioned Wolverine here, I'll say: good for him. Yes, he can beat Cap by using the means he uses to beat Creed: claws and bloodlust. But this thread isn't about those things, is it?
Capt does not have the ability to put logan down. Logan easily has the ability to put capt down.Hell logans punches are a lot harder then capts as well.
Cause of that skeleton. But my doubt lies in him being able to pull out more punches in a purely hand to hand fight.
I know your point and it wrong. Marvel ahs there own definition of wolverine’s berserker as I have already proven.
You obviously don't. There he does the same damn thing he always does, the textbook definition of berserk.
