2cloud, do you look up any of your threads before making them?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=369741&highlight=title%3A%28Storm+Cyclops%29+forumid%3A77
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332935&highlight=title%3A%28Storm+Cyclops%29+forumid%3A77
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
2cloud, do you look up any of your threads before making them?http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=369741&highlight=title%3A%28Storm+Cyclops%29+forumid%3A77
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=332935&highlight=title%3A%28Storm+Cyclops%29+forumid%3A77
i dont believe in the search function because of the threads being 4- 5 years old and according to the rules we have to use current characters unles other wise stated so it really does not make sense,
they just want to save space which is good and all but does not help the threads
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
LoL. True he is powerless. God knows what came over me...still Cyclops should still beat storm. As some posters mentioned earlier it is a quickdraw scenario and Cyclop's powers works great for that.
we can disagree but i do make some good points, she has a chance to defend herself he does not,i think in my opinon thats seals the debate
ok we can argue who is faster cool,but my point can it be argued? thats all i am saying when looked at and thought out,to me it makes it in her favor
Originally posted by starlock
man you must really wanna be a moderator huh,this must be the third thread you have pointed that out in good looking out.i dont believe in the search function because of the threads being 4- 5 years old and according to the rules we have to use current characters unles other wise stated so it really does not make sense,
they just want to save space which is good and all but does not help the threads
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I don't like seeing big 20-40 page threads go to waste. And if threads are that old I'm sure nobody cares if they just hijack it for themselves and change the character versions or equipment.
try going thru 40 pages of scans and pointless arguments its a major pain,and this forum is i thought for fans of comic books,not historians and researchers but i know your trying to be polite and helpfull, so thats cool 馃檪
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm can dodge Thor's hammer.Storm can errct a pressure dome to deflect his blast.
Cyc has ZERO defense againt her lightning, winds, temp, hail, etc. etc.
Storm wins 8/10 maybe 10/10
Amazing how these things can happen ftl isn't it.
*Sigh*
Storm is over-rated. Cyclops kills her in one hit and then the storm fanboys can choke on their own idiocy.
She won leadership because he didn't want to hurt her. That's end of story. How's that for a cheap win? She can't dodge Thor's hammer at least not for long it follows her. No pressure dome is going to block a blast that blew a hole in Onslaught. Since when would Storm in-character lightning strike a person with human durability?
Talking of Storm, i also read a lot about who would win in a fight between these two. The simple answer is the winner would be decided by the writer of the comic. However, these two have squared off in the past....
1. UXM # 155-ish: the issue where Scott finds out Corsair is his father and they face off the Sidri with Storm. Scott and O are having an impromptu game of patball - and by the looks of things, are very evenly matched. In the end, the score is tied, and Storm concedes that Scott is still "the best". What people can read into that (seeing as it was years ago) and the fact that it was only a game is entirely up to them.....but it does show how evenly matches these two are.
2. UXM #201: a Storm fan's favourite to quote when they want to lay a whole load of hate on Cyclops! Let's look at it a little more closely. Storm was powerless. Cyclops was using his lowest power beams. Storm could dodge his blasts, but my opinion (and it's only that) is that she was reading his intentions and dodging those. She isn't otherwise fast enough to dodge a blast. Scott was thinking about other things in that issue (Maddie for one) - and as we all know, it was revealed later that she was messing with his mind during that fight (this is where the Storm fans begin to call it "retconning".....ah well, it's all opinions). Storm "wins" the fight because she manages to remove his visor, thus rendering Scott unable to continue for fear of pulverising her. Would she do that in a real fight situation? I highly doubt it. If she did get that close to Cyclops, i am sure she would have opted for an incapacitating blow. Either way, there is balance in both arguments. Storm was powerless and still "won". Cyclops' wasn't going all out either and was affected by Maddies (a fact that Wolvering picks up on by saying something wasn't right).
3. UXM # 175: a Cyclops' fan's favourite to use when they want to lay a whole load of hate on Storm! Everyone knows the scene: the team think Scott is Dark Phoenix and so attack him, he has broken ribs already from Colossus, and he succeeds in nailing Ororo with a blast. Of note is that Storm is under MIND CONTROL and even Scott notes she hesitates a bit. Nevertheless, he tags her. My opinion is this - if a Storm fan uses the fact that Scott hit her because she was being influenced, then it is only fair to say the same when they have their battle in #201. Heh. So go figure.
4. Inferno Saga: a brief skirmish between the two. This time both Storm and Cyke are either:
a) Not under mind control by the influences of Maddie
b) Or they both are
(ie. As far as i am concerned, they are on equal ground)
Storm has her powers back at this point. Wolverine and Archangel are fighting (might i add that Logan's getting beaten IMO), and Cyclops tells Warren to back off while Storm does the same to Wolverine. They then shout at each other a bit, and then Storm opts to use a gust of wind to knock Cyclops back. Bear in mind, from the way that they were arguing with each other, i don't think they were necessarily going to come to blows, but Storm takes the initiative and attacks first. Despite this, and while in the air, Scott successfully tags Storm again.....
To me, this is the only real fair reflection on how these two might fight if all parameters were equal (ie. NO MIND CONTROL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!). Either they were both affected or they weren't....
5. X-Men volume 2, #65-ish: Scott, once again UNDER MIND CONTROL (can't these X-Men stop it???) atacks Storm, who promptly kicks his ass. no doubt about it.
So, these are the times the two main leaders of the X-Men have come to blows. A lotta mind control in there though.....who would win? My money is on Cyclops. I have a natural bias, but i feel that the nature of his powers is always more instantaneous than Storm's. People may quote that she can produce weather effects in the blink of an eye - but to that, i say that it has been written in the Dark Phoenix saga that Cyclops fires his beams at the speed of thought. So go figure. Are the writers engagign in hyperbole? Almost certainly. And when you rationalise and look at how their powers work, i still think Cyclops has a speed advantage with is powers, and thus takes the win.....
^^^
That was something i wrote a while back in a similar thread. I saved it back then because i knew this would come up again at some point. And my stance hasn't really changed that much in that time. I would like to clarify things a little further though.
This fight really is down to who can hit the quickest. Because as far as i am concerned, Cyke isn't gonna withstand a lightning blast from Storm (depsite what the comics i have scanned in his respect thread show, i still don't think he should ), and Storm ain't gonna withstand a blast from Cyke.
Who fires the quickest? Well, as i always have said, it's down to the nature of their powers. Cyclops has to do this:
1. Think about hitting Storm
2. Look at her
3. Let visor open (this is a debatable area)
4. Wait for the blasts to travel to their intended target
Lots of people will say his visor is psionically controlled. I have to say, i also have read this somewhere, but i can't find the issues for it, so i'm happy to concede that fact. However, what i do know is that Cyclops HAS fired at the speed of thought - all you need to do is dig out the Dark Phoenix Saga and read it as plain as day there. It's the issue where he meets Dazzler for the 1st time. He cuts loose "with the suddeness of thought" against two armoured men. So as far as i am concerned, if we are assuming the quickest Scott can fire off a blast, it's "at the speed of thought".
No, for Storm. She has to go through similar step.
1. Thik about hitting Cyclops.
2. Look at him.
3. Decide what way to hit him (she has much more variety)
4. There is then the delay between what she has decided to hit him with and how quickly it comes out (also a big area for debate).
Now i've seen people saying that it takes her anywhere from >3-4 seconds to generate lightning (ironically in the latest issue of BP she dodges Clor's hammer but also demonstrates that it takes her time to generate an EMP to focus in on his head), to "quicker than the blink of the eye". Which one is it? The answer is, it all depends on the writer!
So, looking at their powers and their inhernt nature again - i just don't see how Storm is quicker in producing her powers. It's only an opinion, but i really can't see her bringing up tornadoes, lightning, wind...any weather pattern - THAT quickly. Maybe i'm wrong. People can say she can.
But if people say she can do this, then they also have to respect the fact that Scott CAN fire "with the suddeness of thought".
So.....if they can both fire as quickly as each other, i guess it comes dowm to which energy blast is quicker. And once again, Scotty wins here. All you need to do is look at his respect thread and there are scans showing his blasts move at the speed of light.
Sigh.....when it comes down to it, these debates are all about personal preference. My preference is Cyclops. I think, by the nature of their powers, he takes this 10/10.
And here are my links for some pics of him laying waste to a number of people....
Originally posted by yestinchong
^^^That was something i wrote a while back in a similar thread. I saved it back then because i knew this would come up again at some point. And my stance hasn't really changed that much in that time. I would like to clarify things a little further though.
This fight really is down to who can hit the quickest. Because as far as i am concerned, Cyke isn't gonna withstand a lightning blast from Storm (depsite what the comics i have scanned in his respect thread show, i still don't think he should ), and Storm ain't gonna withstand a blast from Cyke.
Who fires the quickest? Well, as i always have said, it's down to the nature of their powers. Cyclops has to do this:
1. Think about hitting Storm
2. Look at her
3. Let visor open (this is a debatable area)
4. Wait for the blasts to travel to their intended targetLots of people will say his visor is psionically controlled. I have to say, i also have read this somewhere, but i can't find the issues for it, so i'm happy to concede that fact. However, what i do know is that Cyclops HAS fired at the speed of thought - all you need to do is dig out the Dark Phoenix Saga and read it as plain as day there. It's the issue where he meets Dazzler for the 1st time. He cuts loose "with the suddeness of thought" against two armoured men. So as far as i am concerned, if we are assuming the quickest Scott can fire off a blast, it's "at the speed of thought".
No, for Storm. She has to go through similar step.
1. Thik about hitting Cyclops.
2. Look at him.
3. Decide what way to hit him (she has much more variety)
4. There is then the delay between what she has decided to hit him with and how quickly it comes out (also a big area for debate).Now i've seen people saying that it takes her anywhere from >3-4 seconds to generate lightning (ironically in the latest issue of BP she dodges Clor's hammer but also demonstrates that it takes her time to generate an EMP to focus in on his head), to "quicker than the blink of the eye". Which one is it? The answer is, it all depends on the writer!
So, looking at their powers and their inhernt nature again - i just don't see how Storm is quicker in producing her powers. It's only an opinion, but i really can't see her bringing up tornadoes, lightning, wind...any weather pattern - THAT quickly. Maybe i'm wrong. People can say she can.
But if people say she can do this, then they also have to respect the fact that Scott CAN fire "with the suddeness of thought".
So.....if they can both fire as quickly as each other, i guess it comes dowm to which energy blast is quicker. And once again, Scotty wins here. All you need to do is look at his respect thread and there are scans showing his blasts move at the speed of light.
Sigh.....when it comes down to it, these debates are all about personal preference. My preference is Cyclops. I think, by the nature of their powers, he takes this 10/10.
And here are my links for some pics of him laying waste to a number of people....
http://www.twango.com/channel/yestinchong.public
alot of speculation but ok
1 storms summons a hurricane( or just uses the effort to fly) to effect cyclops,wheres that is it stops at 1,she wont need to aim she is immune
thats it no looking aiming done!
i debated your stance why not debate mine?
if it is a who goes first,do you believe cyclops always goes first?
ok that done,here is my main concern-what can storm do if he does goe first? what can cyke do if storm goes first?
since we cant definetly say for sure,to me it lies in defense
can storm defend(at any level) a optic blast-ok maybe not fully but that is the point
can cyclops defend against 90% of her attacks? AT ALL NO
she is way more versitle and has better defenses
Storm wins
P.S thanks for not insulting and putting me down for my views
Storm doesn't have to look at you to hit you. in Xtreme she hit Emma Frost with a lightning bolt and was NOT looking let alone AIMING, all while being mentally assaulted.
Storm has VER FAST superhuman reflexes due to her attunement to her enviroment that's why she was able to dodge Cycs blast, Thors Hammer, and a sno-ball hurled by Bishop witout even LOOKING.
Storm can also see the world as energy patterns and see Cycs impulses and know what he's going to do before he does it.
Lightning>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuncussive force with regard to ability to incapasitate
Storm's range>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cycs
She can affect the weather in a LARGE area.
Storm's powers work sub-conciously. She doesn't truly have to complete at thought in order for her powers to manifest.
Storm wins 8/10-10/10