Originally posted by KutuluYep, Darkseid clearly doesn't have enough energy to attack more than once.
Darkseid doesn't have an infinite supply of energy. The more he uses the Omega force the more he weakens, otherwise he would have taken out the anti-monitor solo. He wouldn't have a need to hide behind technology, he would have just come out and beaten the anti-monitor himself, but he's too smart to attempt something like that as he knows he would have lost.
Celestials can create holes in the time / space continuum to stop enegy blasts.
This is what would happen to Darkseid's Omega blast:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Thor_288_15.jpg
Even Thor's godblast doesn't phase a Celestial if they choose to defend against it. A skyfather level energy blast doesn't even warrant their notice. If one is actively defending the blast has no chance to even get to them.
Thor combining the godblast with the power of the planet's magnetic core, to attack Arishem:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Thor%20387-21.357.jpg
Arishem didn't even respond to that attack, he acted like it was nothing! He didn't even try to defend!
And look how fearful Thor looks when Exitar himself shows up:
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor3872223ue2.jpg
He makes the other Celestials look like children in comparison.
Another view of Exitar:
http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor3880304su8.jpg
Originally posted by KutuluI mean, he's clearly so weak after the attack he couldn't defend himself. He's so low on energy he punks an entire group of superpeople.
Then why was Darkseid waiting to get to full power during the H/P Doomsday saga? That would certainly indicate that his power regenerates slowly. He can't just shoot out infinite OE's, he has to recover if he's used a lot of energy.
He handed them the win and left.
Even Cosmic Cubes are nothing to the power of a Celestial:
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i260626_celes1.JPG
Originally posted by Juntai
I mean, he's clearly so weak after the attack he couldn't defend himself. He's so low on energy he punks an entire group of superpeople.
http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e25d5jpgorig5ts.jpgHe handed them the win and left.
If he was so powerful then he would have finished the AM off with a second blast as powerful as the first, but he didn't.
Originally posted by bigbran
Anyway... who exactly is arguing about him beating a Celestial?"He handed them the win and left."
It seems that Juntai is implying that DS would take a win against a Celestial.
I know that DS handed them the win, I'm not debating that, what I am debating is that he didn't follow through with a second blast. If you read the H/P saga, you would see that Darkseid makes specific reference to needing time to get his OE back to full power. I will dig around for a scan, but I gotta get ready for work.
Originally posted by KutuluThe scan you need to find involves him being weak after attacking the Anti-Monitor. That's what you're suggesting happened.
It seems that Juntai is implying that DS would take a win against a Celestial.I know that DS handed them the win, I'm not debating that, what I am debating is that he didn't follow through with a second blast. If you read the H/P saga, you would see that Darkseid makes specific reference to needing time to get his OE back to full power. I will dig around for a scan, but I gotta get ready for work.
Originally posted by KutuluIt seems to me that he is comparing DS to Odin...
It seems that Juntai is implying that DS would take a win against a Celestial.I know that DS handed them the win, I'm not debating that, what I am debating is that he didn't follow through with a second blast. If you read the H/P saga, you would see that Darkseid makes specific reference to needing time to get his OE back to full power. I will dig around for a scan, but I gotta get ready for work.
Anyway... Avatar?
The same Darkseid from the H/P saga, isn't the same PC/real Darkseid.
It was an avatar.
Also, why did he need to follow up anyway, it was obvious that, that attack was enough.
Originally posted by Juntai
The scan you need to find involves him being weak after attacking the Anti-Monitor. That's what you're suggesting happened.
Yet, the scan afterwards depicts him punking a group of super-people.
He punked them because they were frightened after seeing his power, which is understandable. Would he still be able to blast them with the OE again? Yes. Would it be full force? No.
I'm off to work, I'll dig up the scans in a few hours of his caption where he blasts Hank Henshaw and states that his OE has charged back up to full in a bit.
Bigbran if you look at the scan it shows a portion of anti-monitor coming back after getting blasted with the OE into the sun. That specifically is what I am referring to.
The OE is not infallible and has been resisted before. H/P Doomsday survived it, anti-monitor has survived it, superman has survived it. The point about Darkseid being an avatar is moot; I have yet to see his loss against Superman ret-conned therefore it holds.
Originally posted by KutuluWhat you're trying to insist is that if Superman hadn't punched Anti-Monitor and beat him, then Darkseid and the heros would have lost. Which is clearly not the case. He handed them the win. You're saying he was drained after the blast. Which you cannot prove.
He punked them because they were frightened after seeing his power, which is understandable. Would he still be able to blast them with the OE again? Yes. Would it be full force? No.I'm off to work, I'll dig up the scans in a few hours of his caption where he blasts Hank Henshaw and states that his OE has charged back up to full in a bit.
Bigbran if you look at the scan it shows a portion of anti-monitor coming back after getting blasted with the OE into the sun. That specifically is what I am referring to.
The OE is not infallible and has been resisted before. H/P Doomsday survived it, anti-monitor has survived it, superman has survived it. The point about Darkseid being an avatar is moot; I have yet to see his loss against Superman ret-conned therefore it holds.
I was in a discussion about impressive showings.
Originally posted by Juntai
He's got his share of impressive ones.http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fa8e2bccjpgorig8te.jpg
He absorbs all the energy of the Anti-Matter Universe.... and when Darkseid attacks, the effect is complete devistation.
You'll also notice, I haven't mentioned a celestial in a single post. Only Odin. 🙂
Originally posted by Juntai
What you're trying to insist is that if Superman hadn't punched Anti-Monitor and beat him, then Darkseid and the heros would have lost. Which is clearly not the case. He handed them the win. You're saying he was drained after the blast. Which you cannot prove.I was in a discussion about impressive showings.
You'll also notice, I haven't mentioned a celestial in a single post. Only Odin. 🙂
You are misunderstanding what I am saying. Look at this scan, Darkseid says "the Kryptonian was useful while I re-cuperated. My powers are now at their peak." Right after the scan he blasts Hank Henshaw and takes him out. This scan clearly shows that it takes Darkseid some time to fully recover his powers.
He was using Superman to distract Cyborg while he regenerated his OE force.
I also said that you implied DS could take on a Celestial - never directly stated it. You also said that Darkseid could keep blasting away if he wanted, from that scan it shows that it takes time to recuperate his powers to full.
Originally posted by Juntai
Cool, now show me the scan which shows him weak after attacking Anti-Monitor.Showing a scan from a decade later, and retconned, doesn't mean anything to what you're claiming.
I have posted a scan which shows my point, and that point was that Darkseid's OE weakens after each use and takes time to regenerate to full force. Nothing else needs to be said. You have yet to show a scan that shows what I said is wrong. My point stands.
Originally posted by Kutulu
I have posted a scan which shows my point, and that point was that Darkseid's OE weakens after each use and takes time to regenerate to full force. Nothing else needs to be said. You have yet to show a scan that shows what I said is wrong. My point stands.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Not really he only needed to "regain his powers" because if the"Doomsday accident".
He blasted Doomsday. Doomsday got back up and pounded him. Then Cyborg / Hank Henshaw started messing up Apocalypse, and Darkseid used Superman as his pawn to fight Hank Henshaw while he regained the OE so that he could blast Hank full force.
