Worst examples of artists selling out...

Then block your ears or close your eyes.

There's a reason they exist and, misused or not, that won't change.

Originally posted by tabby999
Soundtracks are one of those things, just because a good band shows up in a crappy movie (or show or whatever) dosn't make the band sell outs. Bob Dylans songs show up everywhere, i dont see people calling him a sell out (well not as many as Eminem or Greenday...)

I think he is.

I see no reason, other than monetary gain, for him to be performing in a Victoria's Secret commercial.

-AC

ah its just a fun term people use when they dont like a band anymore but dont have a proper reason.

Bob Dylan did???

Yes, he did.

"Gotta respect him, though.", as everyone seems to believe. Right? Laughable.

Originally posted by tabby999
ah its just a fun term people use when they dont like a band anymore but dont have a proper reason.

It's not is it? Because many people do have reasons, credible ones. That was a stupid thing to say. People confuse not liking something with "selling out", but it doesn't mean everyone does.

-AC

Originally posted by tabby999
ah its just a fun term people use when they dont like a band anymore but dont have a proper reason.

I'm a bit of an idealist though I guess.

EDIT: Can't believe Dylan did that...what???

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, he did.

"Gotta respect him, though.", as everyone seems to believe. Right? Laughable.

It's not is it? Because many people do have reasons, credible ones. That was a stupid thing to say. People confuse not liking something with "selling out", but it doesn't mean everyone does.

-AC

It wasn't a stupid thing to say at all, it was in responce to manorastroman but your post got in first. As for Dylan, again, you can't question Dylan for being in the ad, as you've said, we dont know the motivation behind it, it may have been just for the cash, but do you think he really needs money that bad?

Originally posted by tabby999
It wasn't a stupid thing to say at all, it was in responce to manorastroman but your post got in first. As for Dylan, again, you can't question Dylan for being in the ad, as you've said, we dont know the motivation behind it, it may have been just for the cash, but do you think he really needs money that bad?

Yes, it was remarkably stupid. It just proves the rabid defense of all things Dylan, and also...well, it was generally an untrue comment. As I for one can back up anything I say when I accuse artists of selling out, which isn't something I do often.

I can do whatever the hell I wish to do. Why can't I question Bob Dylan for being in an ad for a lingerie company? I certainly think it would beg questioning, to be quite honest.

In the long run, it doesn't matter to me. It just makes a lot of what he's ever said, or stood for, to seem hollow. Then again, Bob Dylan has never really held himself in such high regard as his fans have. So maybe he's never really said selling out was beyond him.

Either way, you tell me what logical reason he could have for doing that, besides monetary gain. That's precisely why it's selling out. He doesn't need the money, it's just greed. In fact, if he NEEDED the money, I would be more lenient. He WANTS the money, in my opinion. It can't be artistically, and if it is, then he was using it to sell his albums, in which case it's still selling out.

-AC

oh bullplop, I mentioned Dylan once off handedly and you act like i have I LOVE BOB DYLAN written on my face. I've never said you can't say what you like either, i never said Dylan is some god among musicians either, i said i dont think its selling out because, as YOU said, we dont know the motives. Once again, we dont know why he did it, for all we know he is friends with the director, with someone who works at Victorias Secret or maybe he IS doing it for the money.
You are no more correct than anyone else when it comes to speaking for somone who you dont know.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, it was remarkably stupid.

Relax dude...what's with all the hostilities?

Although I respect Dylan, I really gotta question his integrity as an artist (the way I understand it) with this one.

Lingerie? What???

Originally posted by tabby999
oh bullplop, I mentioned Dylan once off handedly and you act like i have I LOVE BOB DYLAN written on my face. I've never said you can't say what you like either, i never said Dylan is some god among musicians either, i said i dont think its selling out because, as YOU said, we dont know the motives. Once again, we dont know why he did it, for all we know he is friends with the director, with someone who works at Victorias Secret or maybe he IS doing it for the money.
You are no more correct than anyone else when it comes to speaking for somone who you dont know.

I'm apparantly different from other's in the sense that I see 2, I find another 2, I add them together and I get 4.

I'm not saying I'm factually right, I'm saying that all signs and evidence do point to me being right. Especially seeing as the only counter you can continually provide is "We don't know." or "He might be friends with the director.".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Lingerie? What???

The stuff women wear.

An alien concept I'm sure.

-AC

???

pffft, it makes more sence than someone like Dylan doing something he wouldn't normally do because he's so greedy for money.

Originally posted by tabby999
pffft, it makes more sence than someone like Dylan doing something he wouldn't normally do because he's so greedy for money.

I'll be waiting for a suitable backing for that believe, then.

I have the fact that he did a Victoria's Secret commercial for clearly no artistic reason (Which doesn't leave us with many more options other than selling out, or doing something he wouldn't otherwise have done, for money or other reasons).

You have "Pfft" and faith in Bob Dylan. I suggest coming better prepared.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'll be waiting for a suitable backing for that believe, then.

I have the fact that he did a Victoria's Secret commercial for clearly no artistic reason (Which doesn't leave us with many more options other than selling out, or doing something he wouldn't otherwise have done, for money or other reasons).

You have "Pfft" and faith in Bob Dylan. I suggest coming better prepared.

-AC

And what do you have? Your wanting artistic reasons for someone doing an ad. Really. What musicians have done an ad that had "artistic reasons" behind them. He did an ad, they paid him. That dosn't make him a sell out, it makes him the same as every other person that works. He did what he does for a living and was paid, call the papers!

Originally posted by tabby999
And what do you have? Your wanting artistic reasons for someone doing an ad. Really. What musicians have done an ad that had "artistic reasons" behind them. He did an ad, they paid him. That dosn't make him a sell out, it makes him the same as every other person that works. He did what he does for a living and was paid, call the papers!

I told you what I have previously, do you have Alzheimer's or something?

Why are you asking me what musicians have done ads for artistic reasons? I'm not asking that question, nor saying any or all of them do or don't, I'm saying I don't believe - given the nature of the ad and the company it was for - Bob Dylan has any.

He did what he does for a living? I was unware that the man was a walking corporate lingerie company billboard by trade. He's not an underwear poster boy, he's a musician. He USED what he does for a living in order to help push a corporate product that has absolutely nothing to do with art, and got paid for it. That's called greed. Please try harder and be logical this time.

So I ask; What do you have? All my signs point to me being correct. You have the naive and idiotic believe that what he did was totally fine for an artist of his stature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtlqPfhSzY

I have that in my favour. You have...?

Apparantly he was even quoted as saying "If I ever sell out, it'll be selling women's underwear.".

So again, you have? You can argue with me and apparantly (If the quote is true) Bob Dylan if you wish, but I think there's easier prey.

-AC

I asked about artistic reasons because you stated he did the commercial that had no "artistic reason" and i wanted to know if there was ANY artist that had ever done an ad for the artistic merits.

and like it or not, Bob Dylan is a musician, he plays music and makes money from it, he played music in a lingere ad and was paid for it. He did his job and receieved money for that. I dont go up to plumbers in McDonalds and tell them they're sell outs because they're working for maccas, theyre doing their job and were paid for it. Dylans situation is no different, its just that you know who he is.

And if i spent my time going around looking for fights on the internet and picked soft subjects and easy beats, where would be the fun in that?

Originally posted by tabby999
I asked about artistic reasons because you stated he did the commercial that had no "artistic reason" and i wanted to know if there was ANY artist that had ever done an ad for the artistic merits.

That's sort of my point.

Originally posted by tabby999
and like it or not, Bob Dylan is a musician, he plays music and makes money from it, he played music in a lingere ad and was paid for it. He did his job and receieved money for that. I dont go up to plumbers in McDonalds and tell them they're sell outs because they're working for maccas, theyre doing their job and were paid for it. Dylans situation is no different, its just that you know who he is.

Stop ignoring what it is that you're afraid to say.

I've accepted that musicians sell their product, but it still doesn't mean you have to trade morals and sell yourself to corporations. That's something I'm sure we all know, and plenty of very successful, big-earning bands are also very credible.

The point is what you said at the start of the quote. He gets paid to be a musician, that's his job. Not to sell lingerie. He did it USING what his job is, that doesn't make it reasonable, nor does it make it his job.

He didn't "do his job". His job is to write and release music, which he loves doing and was apparantly honest about it. His job isn't to sell lingerie, he chose to. The only reason that seems to be able to be extracted from this choice is obvious; Money. In which case, yes, he's a sell out. A greedy man.

Many people on that link have said that he was quoted as saying that's how he'd sell out if he was going to, and he has, so I'm not sure what's left for you to argue, since you've done nothing but babble from the start.

The bottom line is; His job is one of a musician. The product he sells? His music. He chose to hawk lingerie. It retracts massively from his credibility, in my opinion, because it contradicts what he stood for and preached. The same as Trent Reznor becoming the one thing he explicitly said he never wanted to be, the same with Eminem giving a f*ck, when he clearly built his career on not giving a f*ck.

Originally posted by tabby999
And if i spent my time going around looking for fights on the internet and picked soft subjects and easy beats, where would be the fun in that?

Where's the fun in this? You're on the back foot with overwhelming evidence infront of you and a poor argument behind you. All this serves to do is drag a dead-horse debate on longer than it need be.

If that's something you enjoy, I send pity.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Stop ignoring what it is that you're afraid to say.

I've accepted that musicians sell their product, but it still doesn't mean you have to trade morals and sell yourself to corporations. That's something I'm sure we all know, and plenty of very successful, big-earning bands are also very credible.

The point is what you said at the start of the quote. He gets paid to be a musician, that's his job. Not to sell lingerie. He did it USING what his job is, that doesn't make it reasonable, nor does it make it his job.

He didn't "do his job". His job is to write and release music, which he loves doing and was apparantly honest about it. His job isn't to sell lingerie, he chose to. The only reason that seems to be able to be extracted from this choice is obvious; Money. In which case, yes, he's a sell out. A greedy man.

Many people on that link have said that he was quoted as saying that's how he'd sell out if he was going to, and he has, so I'm not sure what's left for you to argue, since you've done nothing but babble from the start.

The bottom line is; His job is one of a musician. The product he sells? His music. He chose to hawk lingerie. It retracts massively from his credibility, in my opinion, because it contradicts what he stood for and preached. The same as Trent Reznor becoming the one thing he explicitly said he never wanted to be, the same with Eminem giving a f*ck, when he clearly built his career on not giving a f*ck.

so out of that the only thing that really was worth reading was the line that had "IN MY OPINION" in it. As thats all this is, opinions. Just because you think he's sold out dosen't mean he has, it means in your opinion, he has.
And when did he trade his morals? Does it have "Corporations Rule" over him in the ad? Does he sing about the joys of the right wing? Has he changed the music so they could use it in the ad? Nope. Just because they decided they wanted Bob Dylan in their ad and he said yes dosn't make him a sell out, it means they wanted someone with songs people know and who would do it. He didn't change his approach to be in the ad, it hasn't changed his message since he was in it.
In what way does that make him a sell out?

Originally posted by tabby999
so out of that the only thing that really was worth reading was the line that had "IN MY OPINION" in it. As thats all this is, opinions. Just because you think he's sold out dosen't mean he has, it means in your opinion, he has.

With all logical evidence, reasoning and rationale pointing to "Yes, he sold out.". Not sure what more you need than that. You're being ignorant.

Everything points to him making a greedy decision based on money, nothing points to the contrary. NOTHING.

Originally posted by tabby999
And when did he trade his morals? Does it have "Corporations Rule" over him in the ad? Does he sing about the joys of the right wing? Has he changed the music so they could use it in the ad? Nope. Just because they decided they wanted Bob Dylan in their ad and he said yes dosn't make him a sell out, it means they wanted someone with songs people know and who would do it. He didn't change his approach to be in the ad, it hasn't changed his message since he was in it.
In what way does that make him a sell out?

Selling out isn't JUST about morals, it's about greed. Like I said, he doesn't owe it to me NOT to do it. He might have wanted to do it, even.

My point is, he was once a standard bearer for free-thinking, not doing as you're told just because you're told, credibility and integrity. Now he is selling a corporate product, essentially, owned by a corporation (Which charge near extortionate prices so I'm told), with the OBVIOUS goal of quite simply making his pockets fat.

That is selling out. It means he can no longer be taken seriously, because is he, so quickly, can switch to hawking such a product, it says something about his credibility.

You on the other hand, you come with "He just did what he was paid to do." and feel that's an acceptable argument, while you shut your eyes to all the overwhelming evidence.

-AC

You are yet to convince me Bob Dylan is going around shelling for companys because hes greedy. There is a distinct difference between someone going against their opinions and morals and someone simply appearing in an ad. Dylan made money from it, sure, but he hasn't changed the music, he hasn't changed his standpoint on the things that made people like him to begin with and to be honest, he did an ad for Victorias Secret, its not like hes wearing a chicken suit outside a KFC or promoting Walmart.