Living Tribunal versus Spectre merged with the Source · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Because it's specificallly powered up version.
The version of Spectre you want us to debate is Spectre while he's experiencing what it is like to be God. Weilding the power of all creation. It also gave him complete omniscience as he was the sum of creation.

But honestly Jun, when you read this scan:

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him,

for he is its Heart,

ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,

a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening,

to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles,

as Architects of New Realities ...

and ONLY this Judge knows why"

Sounds pretty much like "God" to me ... wielding the power of Creation.

Just this line,

"ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,

a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

Says it all.

"ALPHA & OMEGA" = "God" (the Beginning & the End) if I'm not mistaken.

Board Walker Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Well it's still funny though, it seems to be more voting than actually debating, think about what features does Spectre have when merging with the source?
--He was one with reality, but so is Multi-Eternity, and not even it can compare to the Living Tribunal.
So feature-wise the Living Tribunal takes this, unless the Source have features surpassing the Living Tribunal's.
The Source and Spectre are two aspect's of God.
The Living Tribunal is the only, the only one that works for him, aspect of the Supreme being.

That is your opinion that Multi Eternity does not compare to LT.

As of right now going by the Marvel company statemens, the LT bio, and the HOTI saga, LT was defeated by the vast power of one complete absorbed universe.

Argue it all you want, the scans and marvel statements dont lie.

Skeets Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet was also refered to as God.
There is a differance between God and the Supreme being.

Actually no.That's Thanos or Warlock calling them selves "GOD"
The Source is the power of creation a part of GOD.
Unlike the wielders of the Gauntlet Spectre actually knows who "GOD" is.

hush Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You're aware of that the Spectre have had a hard time with captain Marvel, I would hardly call a hostless Spectre to be on the Living Tribunal's level.
Spectre alone could not stop the Anti-Monitor, he had to have five of the most powerful wizards throughout the Multiverse to do so, and he barely succeded.
One Multiverse for the Living Tribunal would be a snap away.

he wus jobing to the Anti-Monitor. and a hostless Spectre is a DEPowerd Spectre.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Skeets
Actually no.That's Thanos or Warlock calling them selves "GOD"
The Source is the power of creation a part of GOD.
Unlike the wielders of the Gauntlet Spectre actually knows who "GOD" is.

The Living Tribunal is a part of the Supreme being, it was created for one sole purpose to mantain the balance in the Omniverse.
And the Source is not anything compared to the Presence itself, It's like saying Michael has God's power, does this mean he can stalemate the Presence?

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Board Walker
That is your opinion that Multi Eternity does not compare to LT.
As of right now going by the Marvel company statemens, the LT bio, and the HOTI saga, LT was defeated by the vast power of one complete absorbed universe.
Argue it all you want, the scans and marvel statements dont lie.

The Living Tribunal has only one superior, how many times do you have to read that before understanding that?
He is second only to the supreme, which means, no power with an exception of the One-Above-All's can touch him.

Are you claiming that the supreme power isnt vast?

Skeets Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal is a part of the Supreme being, it was created for one sole purpose to mantain the balance in the Omniverse.
And the Source is not anything compared to the Presence itself, It's like saying Michael has God's power, does this mean he can stalemate the Presence?

The Spectre is a part of the Supreme being aswell.
Why are you bringing up the Presence's power when Talking about the LT?
The Spectre wins this.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal has only one superior, how many times do you have to read that before understanding that?
He is second only to the supreme, which means, no power with an exception of the One-Above-All's can touch him.
Are you claiming that the supreme power isnt vast?

The same can be said about the Spectre.

Board Walker Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal has only one superior, how many times do you have to read that before understanding that?
He is second only to the supreme, which means, no power with an exception of the One-Above-All's can touch him.
Are you claiming that the supreme power isnt vast?

It doesn't matter if the LT only has one superior, that means nothing about his level of power.

Title and purpose do not equate to level of power.

Board Walker Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
But honestly Jun, when you read this scan:
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him,
for he is its Heart,
ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
"A Hand soon opening,
to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles,
as Architects of New Realities ...
and ONLY this Judge knows why"
Sounds pretty much like "God" to me ... wielding the power of Creation.
Just this line,
"ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,
a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
Says it all.
"ALPHA & OMEGA" = "God" (the Beginning & the End) if I'm not mistaken.

Completely your subjective opinion, alpha and omega could be referencing to a myriad of things, it could simply being the begining and end of a life, or of a destiny as said, to conclude it is god is speculation entirely on your part.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by Skeets

The same can be said about the Spectre.

Actually no it can't.

Spectre <<< Source <<< Presence

Skeets Senior Member

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually no it can't.
Spectre <<< Source <<< Presence

The Spectre is the Logoz.The Logoz is just as much part of the Presence as the Source is.

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Skeets
The Spectre is a part of the Supreme being aswell.
Why are you bringing up the Presence's power when Talking about the LT?
The Spectre wins this.

Yet Spectre have had difficulities, which the Living Tribunal would surpass.
Mr. Mxyztplk have defeated the Spectre a couple of times, the Anti-Life Equation was trillion of times more powerful than Mr. Mxyztplk, yet it is infernior to the Infninity Gauntlet, which the Living Tribunal had total control of.

The same can be said about the Spectre.

Spectre being second only to the Supreme in DC?
So I guess he's above the source as well, Michael wouldent be a problem either huh, what about Mr. Mxyztplk?

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Board Walker
Completely your subjective opinion, alpha and omega could be referencing to a myriad of things, it could simply being the begining and end of a life, or of a destiny as said, to conclude it is god is speculation entirely on your part.

Alpha is the first letter in the (ancient-) Greek alphabet and Omega is the last one.
When putted together it means the beining and the end.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by Skeets
The Spectre is the Logoz.The Logoz is just as much part of the Presence as the Source is.

Still the Ultimator, Myx, Batmite, Michael etc

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Look, we know that he couldent save Atom 1M's universe from colapsing.
That is a certain limit.
His greatest feature was when he destroyed Solaris.
So his powers are somewhere between Solaris and Holding a universe together.
Phoenix would certainly crush him, I mean the power of M'kraan is not to mess with it contains more power than a normal universe does, in fact it is a universe filled with neutron stars, which basicly means a universe full of energy.
Galactus however was a good choise, mainly because Superman Prime was able to destroy Solaris with the Green Lantern ring, and that wouldent work of Galactus that's for sure.

Good to see that he couldn't save Atoms Universe, though he said "it happened so fast even I couldn't save it", Spectre and LT had their low showings too, though I wouldn't say this was a low showing of SMP, Spectre and LT might have failed too 😉.
This however doesn't mean that his powers are limited by the Universe, not only because he resides in another Universe, not the one he couldn't save BTW, though it's implied if it went a bit slower he would be successfull. Anyway, there is no way to define SMP power till we see more feats, till then everyone can have his opinion, mine is SMP > LT and Spectre.

As for the thread, LT would stalemate the Spectre, but the Spectre merged with the Source would be too much I guess 😉.

Skeets Senior Member

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yet Spectre have had difficulities, which the Living Tribunal would surpass.
Mr. Mxyztplk have defeated the Spectre a couple of times, the Anti-Life Equation was trillion of times more powerful than Mr. Mxyztplk, yet it is infernior to the Infninity Gauntlet, which the Living Tribunal had total control of.

And the Anti-life Equation is weaker than the infinity Gauntlet based on what?And it being a trillion times more powerful than Mxy,where are you getting this from?
Spectre has bad showings here and there but let me assure you that,that wasn't Spectre "Prime" there's a Spectre in every plain of existence doing it's job.Besides you can't take Any book with MXY in it too serious.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU

Spectre being second only to the Supreme in DC?
So I guess he's above the source as well, Michael wouldent be a problem either huh, what about Mr. Mxyztplk?

Spectre tapping into the Logoz is leagues above Michael.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Still the Ultimator, Myx, Batmite, Michael etc

What are you talking about? get lost the big boys are talking.
The Spectre itself is an equal aspect of God. Logoz/Presence/Source/Word

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Good to see that he couldn't save Atoms Universe, though he said "it happened so fast even I couldn't save it", Spectre and LT had their low showings too, though I wouldn't say this was a low showing of SMP, Spectre and LT might have failed too 😉.

I am not sure about Spectre, but the Living Tribunal basicly thinks something and it happends, and time is beneath him, no matter how fast it'd happend, he could've stopped it. And even if he couldent, he would be able to remake the universe from scratch with a single thought.

This however doesn't mean that his powers are limited by the Universe, not only because he resides in another Universe, not the one he couldn't save BTW, though it's implied if it went a bit slower he would be successfull. Anyway, there is no way to define SMP power till we see more feats, till then everyone can have his opinion, mine is SMP > LT and Spectre.

Superman is a mere kryptonian which has sleept in the sun for 15 millennias, he couldent even bring back Lois Lane back alone, he needed help with that.
So he cannot give life, the Living Tribunal can, and I think the Spectre can do it as well.

As for the thread, LT would stalemate the Spectre, but the Spectre merged with the Source would be too much I guess 😉.

On what basis is Spectre alone equal to the Living Tribunal?

xmeat Restricted

LT needs a respect thread he gets no respect here just like huc spectre gets moved by batman so could cap, daredevi, and spidey move LT?

Thanos_THOTU The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Skeets
And the Anti-life Equation is weaker than the infinity Gauntlet based on what?And it being a trillion times more powerful than Mxy,where are you getting this from?

Nvr. posted a scan a couple of months back when we debated in the Infinity Gauntlet versus the Anti-Life Equation thread, you should be able to find it in the search function.

Spectre has bad showings here and there but let me assure you that,that wasn't Spectre "Prime" there's a Spectre in every plain of existence doing it's job.Besides you can't take Any book with MXY in it too serious.

So normaly Spectre would defeat the imp's, the archangel's and so forth?

Spectre tapping into the Logoz is leagues above Michael.

Yes, I am aware of that, but he's not above the Presence, therefore also beneath the One-Above-All, and the Living Tribunal is second only to the One-Above-All, as stated the Living Tribunal is the impulse of life throughout all creation as well.

If I would make a counterpart list I would being from the top, and go down.
DC is not greater powerwise than Marvel somehow, neither is it vice versa.

What are you talking about? get lost the big boys are talking.
The Spectre itself is an equal aspect of God. Logoz/Presence/Source/Word [/B]

Are you claiming that the Spectre equal's all the other aspect's of the Presence?

hush Senior Member

Originally posted by xmeat
LT needs a respect thread he gets no respect here just like huc spectre gets moved by batman so could cap, daredevi, and spidey move LT?

go to CBR LT get's respect all the time at CBR.