Living Tribunal versus Spectre merged with the Source

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Nvr. posted a scan a couple of months back when we debated in the Infinity Gauntlet versus the Anti-Life Equation thread, you should be able to find it in the search function.

So normaly Spectre would defeat the imp's, the archangel's and so forth?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU

Yes, I am aware of that, but he's not above the Presence, therefore also beneath the One-Above-All, and the Living Tribunal is second only to the One-Above-All, as stated the Living Tribunal is the impulse of life throughout all creation as well.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU

If I would make a counterpart list I would being from the top, and go down.
DC is not greater powerwise than Marvel somehow, neither is it vice versa.

Are you claiming that the Spectre equal's all the other aspect's of the Presence?

Originally posted by Skeets
Imps yes,Just look at what happened to Mxy during DOV,Mxy was left powerless.Archangels yes,Asmodel is one Spectre has punked(he might of not been at his best)Michael is one Spectre can't exactly touch as he resides in Heaven.Spectre isn't exactly allowed in Heaven so he'll get curb stomped by Michael every single time.It's not because Spectre doesn't have the power,it's more that the Presence doesn't let him or allow it.

No one is above the Presence but the Spectre is an equal part of it,Lt isn't an actual part of TOAA.

Yes,The Logoz is an equal part of God,like the source.
Spectre is the Logoz,Hal Jordan has tapped into it's power throughput Spectre V4.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I'll ask you once more, and I want a direct clear answer.
Do you state that the Presence, the Source, the Logoz and the Spectre are all equals?

Originally posted by Skeets
The Spectre is the Logoz.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9478/thespectrev41121lu6.jpg

Originally posted by Skeets
The Spectre is the Logoz.Yes,the Logoz is an equal part of the presence.
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9478/thespectrev41121lu6.jpg

Originally posted by Validus
Not clear enough.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let me refrase that:
I'll ask you once more, and I want a direct clear answer.
Do you state that the Presence, the Source and the Spectre are all equals?

Originally posted by Board Walker
Completely your subjective opinion, alpha and omega could be referencing to a myriad of things, it could simply being the begining and end of a life, or of a destiny as said, to conclude it is god is speculation entirely on your part.

Riiiiight.

It just so happens to be that Two tiny beings (Two MEGAVERSES) happen to be PART of that Destiny.

Each Megaverse = a Collection of Multiverses, but yea,

they probably meant just "A Life" or "A Destiny" ... dontgetit

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him,

for he is its Heart,

ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,

a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening,

to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles,

as Architects of New Realities ...

and ONLY this Judge knows why"

GO look up the meaning of Alpha & Omaga ... then come back. 🙂

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I am not sure about Spectre, but the Living Tribunal basicly thinks something and it happends, and time is beneath him, no matter how fast it'd happend, he could've stopped it. And even if he couldent, he would be able to remake the universe from scratch with a single thought.

Superman is a mere kryptonian which has sleept in the sun for 15 millennias, he couldent even bring back Lois Lane back alone, he needed help with that.
So he cannot give life, the Living Tribunal can, and I think the Spectre can do it as well.

On what basis is Spectre alone equal to the Living Tribunal?

Wasn't LT the one who was bested by Protege? He couldn't think fast enough I guess or maye he is an creator not a fighter, anyway, PIS or not low showings are common even among LT and Spectre. There is still a lot of time to rectonn such things I guess 😛.
I'm sure I don't know as much about LT as you do 😄 but did he every remake an Universe from scratch with a single though, I mean remake not create.

BTW I don't know if death works in both universes in the same way, means, when Parallax offered Superman to bring everything back that has died, Krypton and all it's inhabitants, Superman refused because it would be an violation of life, because Parallax would be the God of such an Universe.
Now, Krypton was brought back from the death, like Lois Lane with the help of/or by SMP, is this too a violation or is it an act of Love, I can't say for sure but I guess there is a difference between choosing between death and life for those whom you love, and who love you and between the death and life of people you can't be responsible for. If an Universe is destroyed and remade, like with the HOTU, because the God of this company wanted it this way, could LT decide otherwise? If an Universe dies, and TOAA wants it this way, would LT be able to bring it back? I guess not, we don't know what TOAA or the Presence think so we don't know why some are brought back and others not, so we can't say SMP should bring it back.
I also think that there is a difference between creating and fighting, Spiderman might be more clever then the Hulk but he would loose in a fight. :banana:

Spectre = LT, the only basis we have is the DC vs MArvel Crossover. 😉

BTW Brothers > LT&Spectre.

"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things,

feeling the flow of countless Realities,

their FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment,

rendered by HIS Three Faces"

"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"

Two MEGAVERSES are Two action figures in his Hand.

yawn

Originally posted by Mr Master
Riiiiight.

It just so happens to be that Two tiny beings (Two MEGAVERSES) happen to be PART of that Destiny.

Each Megaverse = a Collection of Multiverses, but yea,

they probably meant just "A Life" or "A Destiny" ... dontgetit

"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him,

for he is its Heart,

ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny,

a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"

"A Hand soon opening,

to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles,

as Architects of New Realities ...

and ONLY this Judge knows why"

GO look up the meaning of Alpha & Omaga ... then come back. 🙂

But Spectre have lost, and have had a lot of though battles, while he fights, the Living Tribunal blinks out.
Nothing can knockback the Living Tribunal or make him blink, the Spectre however.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But Spectre have lost, and have had a lot of though battles, while he fights, the Living Tribunal blinks out.
Nothing can knockback the Living Tribunal or make him blink, the Spectre however.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Wasn't LT the one who was bested by Protege? He couldn't think fast enough I guess or maye he is an creator not a fighter, anyway, PIS or not low showings are common even among LT and Spectre. There is still a lot of time to rectonn such things I guess 😛.
I'm sure I don't know as much about LT as you do 😄 but did he every remake an Universe from scratch with a single though, I mean remake not create.

BTW I don't know if death works in both universes in the same way, means, when Parallax offered Superman to bring everything back that has died, Krypton and all it's inhabitants, Superman refused because it would be an violation of life, because Parallax would be the God of such an Universe.
Now, Krypton was brought back from the death, like Lois Lane with the help of/or by SMP, is this too a violation or is it an act of Love, I can't say for sure but I guess there is a difference between choosing between death and life for those whom you love, and who love you and between the death and life of people you can't be responsible for. If an Universe is destroyed and remade, like with the HOTU, because the God of this company wanted it this way, could LT decide otherwise? If an Universe dies, and TOAA wants it this way, would LT be able to bring it back? I guess not, we don't know what TOAA or the Presence think so we don't know why some are brought back and others not, so we can't say SMP should bring it back.
I also think that there is a difference between creating and fighting, Spiderman might be more clever then the Hulk but he would loose in a fight. :banana:

Spectre = LT, the only basis we have is the DC vs MArvel Crossover. 😉

BTW Brothers > LT&Spectre.

#2 There was never stated if Spectre had any host or not, nor was it proven.

Originally posted by Validus
I bet LT has worked one hell of an ass groove into that chair.

😆

Seems to be a stalemate between draw and Spectre, can anyone settle this?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Seems to be a stalemate between draw and Spectre, can anyone settle this?

LT=Spectre

The Spectre fully powered on his own is a match for the LT. Merged with the source, another even more powerful aspect of the presence and The LT goes down hard.

"Living Tribunal vs Spectre merged with the Source"

Just a thought. But I need a little bit more information about the Source itself and what happened in the scan where Spectre was one with the Source. Is the Source pretty much God Himself or from God Himself? Is it analogous to his divine power from which everything springs? The Source obviously speaks to Spectre in those scan, so at the least it is sentient. If that is so, it appears to me that Spectre then literally became one with everything with God's/Presence's permission. The captions certainly indicate he is not only attuned with every single thing in existence, but he is indeed every single part of existence. He is every small particle to the largest universe(s).

If anything, that sounds like how some people have interpreted Thanos with THOTU. Whether you disagree that Jim Starlin had only one universe in mind or the multiverse, for argument's sake; just accept the proposition that THOTU was multiversal. When he did, Thanos was not exerting omnipotent external control, but actually became everything. The scope of what happened to the Spectre appears analogous to me. The analogy appears coherent, unless there is an aspect of the Source I'm not aware of. If that's the case, Spectre merged with the Source would probably blink the Living Tribunal away like Thanos did with THOTU.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The Spectre fully powered on his own is a match for the LT. Merged with the source, another even more powerful aspect of the presence and The LT goes down hard.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Don't make me repost the picture where Batman kick Spectre's ass.