Hal Jordan vs. Bearer of Star Brand

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

Ive yet to see the SB perform any feat that puts it past being handled by the QBs, let alone something more powerful like the GL-Rings.

and LT only considered it a threat due to it coming from the greater omniverse, and not liking how a power as strong as it was could be spread.

until I see more OR better, Hal ftw

Tazer

Skeletron was man-handling Quasar's Quantum Bands before he got the Starbrand. After Skeletron stole the Starbrand from Stranger, he seriously outpowered the Stranger. And I'm pretty sure the Stranger would take out a Green Lantern.

Living Tribunal quarantined the New Universe planet because of hte Starbrand itself. It's arguable that has more to do with its power as it does its nature as a multiversal anomaly. The Starbrand's power has been deemed on-panel to be infinite. A Green Lantern's ring is limited by it's charge. And despite common belief, the ring's ability is not as powerful as its wielder's willpower. Willpower can exceed a ring's limits and fail to match it:

Yo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In 'Starblast,' the Stranger used the Starbrand to transport an entire planet between universes. He also used it to enslave heroes like Black Bolt, Hyperion, Binary, the Shiar Imperial Guard and gave them enhancements as well. That's kind of like Cosmic Cube level.

actually, that feat was more of a combination of HIS OWN personal energies plus that of the Starbrand (like when his world was 1/2-way pushed into its realm); its not a feat done solely via the SB's energies.

also, considering past feats of his might, his compelling the 616-heroes to work for him really isnt that great a feat. this IS a being whom even Galactus & the Watchers pay heed to (moreso the latter than the former admittedly).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Skeletron was man-handling Quasar's Quantum Bands before he got the Starbrand. After Skeletron stole the Starbrand from Stranger, he seriously outpowered the Stranger. And I'm pretty sure the Stranger would take out a Green Lantern.

actually, Skeletron was draining the SB-nrg from the Stranger AFTER he was stated to have been exhausted from moving a world between universes.

and Id be willing to accept Stranger beating a GL, just like Im pretty sure he'd beat just about every1 else who'd had the SB.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Living Tribunal quarantined the New Universe planet because of hte Starbrand itself. It's arguable that has more to do with its power as it does its nature as a multiversal anomaly. The Starbrand's power has been deemed on-panel to be infinite. A Green Lantern's ring is limited by it's charge. And despite common belief, the ring's ability is not as powerful as its wielder's willpower. Willpower can exceed a ring's limits and fail to match it:

sure, it has been deemed on-panel to be infinite, just like its been witnessed on-panel that said infinite-ness only extends to its symbiotic relationship and NOT its power output/usefulness like we saw when it RAN OUT on Quasar in #47 almost killing him in a vacuum. in #48 we saw that it had dwindled down to not even being visible on him anymore and had retreated internally.......

as for GL-willpower & Rings & charges........well, all I can say is that these new batch of Rings were depicted that way.

the OLD Rings were a completely different thing.

Tazer

Ereshkigal FTW

STAR BRAND

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

actually, that feat was more of a combination of HIS OWN personal energies plus that of the Starbrand (like when his world was 1/2-way pushed into its realm); its not a feat done solely via the SB's energies.

also, considering past feats of his might, his compelling the 616-heroes to work for him really isnt that great a feat. this IS a being whom even Galactus & the Watchers pay heed to (moreso the latter than the former admittedly).

I agree that Stranger has vast telepathic powers. But Stranger didn't just compel the heroes to fight, he also altered them and imbued them with enhancements. He gave Black Bolt control over his voice, restored Binary's control over cosmic energies, reconstructed Perun's mallet (Russian pantheon analogue of Mjolnir), etc. That kind of vast manipulation was from the Starbrand itself. Imagine what level of power you would need to completely reconstruct Mjolnir from nothing? I don't believe Stranger has that kind of power.

Originally posted by Tazer
actually, Skeletron was draining the SB-nrg from the Stranger AFTER he was stated to have been exhausted from moving a world between universes.

and Id be willing to accept Stranger beating a GL, just like Im pretty sure he'd beat just about every1 else who'd had the SB.

Originally posted by Tazer
sure, it has been deemed on-panel to be infinite, just like its been witnessed on-panel that said infinite-ness only extends to its symbiotic relationship and NOT its power output/usefulness like we saw when it RAN OUT on Quasar in #47 almost killing him in a vacuum. in #48 we saw that it had dwindled down to not even being visible on him anymore and had retreated internally.......

as for GL-willpower & Rings & charges........well, all I can say is that these new batch of Rings were depicted that way.

the OLD Rings were a completely different thing.

Tazer

And the new rings are the current rings that matter for this thread. The old rings were a bit zany but as far as I recall, they also had limited charges, ran out in 24 hours despite what charge you had left, and were completely useless against yellow. Since the Starbrand's aura was consistently depicted as being yellow, I think a pre-Crisis GL would do worse than a current one.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In 'Starblast,' the Stranger used the Starbrand to transport an entire planet between universes. He also used it to enslave heroes like Black Bolt, Hyperion, Binary, the Shiar Imperial Guard and gave them enhancements as well. That's kind of like Cosmic Cube level.

Skeletron was man-handling Quasar's Quantum Bands before he got the Starbrand. After Skeletron stole the Starbrand from Stranger, he seriously outpowered the Stranger. And I'm pretty sure the Stranger would take out a Green Lantern.

Living Tribunal quarantined the New Universe planet because of hte Starbrand itself. It's arguable that has more to do with its power as it does its nature as a multiversal anomaly. The Starbrand's power has been deemed on-panel to be infinite. A Green Lantern's ring is limited by it's charge. And despite common belief, the ring's ability is not as powerful as its wielder's willpower. Willpower can exceed a ring's limits and fail to match it:

You and I both know that thing about the willpower exceeding the ring is BS. 😬

Yo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The world was pushed halfway between two universes when Stranger was screwing around with the instrumentalities in examining the Starbrand. Stranger's own personal power had nothing to do with that event. And Stranger only had a small portion of the Starbrand when he teleported the New World planet into the 616 universe. By that time, Skeletron had been absorbing the Starbrand's energies from him.

both of these R incorrect: 1)his world was partially displaced when he extracted the SB to his finger and its energies mixed w/his own (as stated in Quasar #56.)

2) Skeletron was absorbing SB-nrg from the NU-Earth, and Stranger intercepted him during said process and apparently atk'd him. then Stranger sent that world to the 616, after which Skel began extracting the nrg's from him, and Stranger then tried to run.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I agree that Stranger has vast telepathic powers. But Stranger didn't just compel the heroes to fight, he also altered them and imbued them with enhancements. He gave Black Bolt control over his voice, restored Binary's control over cosmic energies, reconstructed Perun's mallet (Russian pantheon analogue of Mjolnir), etc. That kind of vast manipulation was from the Starbrand itself. Imagine what level of power you would need to completely reconstruct Mjolnir from nothing? I don't believe Stranger has that kind of power.

giving BB control of his voice and restoring Binary's fractured psyche (not control over cosmic energies) isnt really anything that wouldve been out of the power-range of Stranger normally (since we're just talking biological re-arrangment/alterations); now the Perun hammer-feat I could see possibly being a feat, but as stated earlier Stranger had access to a HUGE amount of energy (both his own AND the SB co-mingled) and as such its still debatable.

as for reforming Mjolnir from nada, I could see Odin doing so frankly which would put that feat @ skyfather -lvl........and Stranger is decidedly more powerful than that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Stranger transported the New World planet in the middle of his fight with Skeletron. This act happened after Skeletron had already siphoned enough Starbrand energy to outpower Stranger. And I seriously doubt your contention that the Stranger could beat someone possessing the Starbrand. If he could, why did he run away from Skeletron w/Starbrand?

theres no real proof that Skeletron could beat Stranger BEFORE he sent the NU-Earth away, and after he did said feat its stated that he was exhausted from doing so.......which would explain Y he didnt/couldnt fight back. its also further stated that he "had to gather his rapidly dwindling energies" in order to teleport away; now if Skeletron was only taking the SB-energies from him that would still have left his own considerable might left to deal w/Skel wouldnt it?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Starbrand's power is infinite. You misunderstood Quasar #48. The only reason it ran out of power on Quasar was because he had already transferred the Starbrand to his girlfriend, Kayla, by that point. A bearer of the Starbrand who transfers it to another person still retains a small residual amount of limited power. Since this thread involves a current bearer of the Star Brand, that limitation does not apply.

again incorrect: Stranger did not transfer the SB he recieved to any1 else, and yet *HE* was totally drained of it, as evidenced by his planet his planet shifting back to the 616. if it was actually infinite, then *no amount of draining* wouldve caused him to lose power.

also, if U check again this thread involves Ken Connell, not that which U state. and even if U did, then the Stranger *still* doesnt apply if we're going to be technical.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And the new rings are the current rings that matter for this thread. The old rings were a bit zany but as far as I recall, they also had limited charges, ran out in 24 hours despite what charge you had left, and were completely useless against yellow. Since the Starbrand's aura was consistently depicted as being yellow, I think a pre-Crisis GL would do worse than a current one.

fair enuff about which Rings would be used, however given that the old style had a charge that was limited by time and NOT output (if anything we've saw that the GLs from then sufferd more from straining, rather than power-drain w/in the 24hr time-frame) that squarely makes it relatively "infinite".....same as the SB was "infinite".

also, even if SB had a yellow aura that matter for naught since: a) Hal has beaten stupid numerous beings that tried to exploit that fact, and b) even if the SB-user couldnt be blasted directly the Rings allowed GLs to manipulate matter as well as energy, so its still a non-issue.

so, in conclusion, Hal Jordan would beat any non-cosmic SB-user; giving it to a being who is ALREADY as powerful as the Stranger would likely be a bit too much in general (but Hal could make a decent fight of it, and if we go by feats for both Id say its a REAL fight with a probable WIN for Hal.)

Tazer

You're pretty much completely wrong about every single event that you're interpreting. Your interpretation of the fight between Stranger and Skeletron is similarly muddled. I've already set forth the corrections in my last post. The Starbrand's power is infinite. It was the ultimate power in the New Universe.

You've tried to postulate several facts as indications that the Starbrand isn't infinite despite it's on-panel descriptions: 1) "It ran out on Quasar." Which is flat-out wrong because as I pointed out, he wasn't the current bearer of the Starbrand. He transferred it to Kayla by that time and only had a residual amount in him. 2) "The Starbrand's power can't be infinite if it can be drained." Pure equivocation. People have stolen infinite power from other people before in comics. People have stolen Cosmic Cube energies from each other, Black Alice has stolen Spectre's power, Silver Surfer stole Uni-Lord's power, Doom stole Beyonder's power, etc. We both know that infinite power can be stolen. 3) "Stranger could take out a Starbrand user, so it's not that powerful." False. Skeletron had drained Stranger only of his Starbrand powers, as stated on-panel. Stranger ran away from him. If Stranger were above a Starbrand user, why would he run away? Simple answer, because a Starbrand wielder is more powerful than the Stranger.

I think you are correct that Binary's fractured psyche was restored. It might have been another character whose control over cosmic energies was restored. But I am not using Stranger in this thread. The only reason Stranger and the 'Starblast' storyline is being argued right now is because you think Stranger did all those things himself, whereas a simple reading of the comic indicates that the Starbrand was responsible.

A current Green Lantern's ring charge is limited and drains with every action, it still must be recharged every 24 hours and it has limits to what it can achieve. The Starbrand exhibits none of those weaknesses and a Starbrand wielder's on-panel feats have demonstrated greater range and power than a current Green Lantern's ring. That's fact. And if this was classic Hal, although pre-Crisis feats are certainly more impressive, the fact that his Starbrand aura is yellow would make it that much more difficult for him.

Ken Connell w/ Starbrand 8/10 either way.

Yo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're pretty much completely wrong about every single event that you're interpreting. Your interpretation of the fight between Stranger and Skeletron is similarly muddled. I've already set forth the corrections in my last post. The Starbrand's power is infinite. It was the ultimate power in the New Universe.

I havent intepreted as much as yur trying to make it seem; just about everything I said was seen & stated ON PANEL. I would also remind U of the fact that even tho a person can pass on the SB to another being, that being *still retains* the SB.

wat does this mean? that even tho the "main" SB has been passed thru many hands, those hands R still linked to it (and as a matter of fact this was even stated in the last ish of SB itself; "retaining 10% of infinity" and all that....)

so again: if 10% of infinity still equals infinity, then Quasar still had said infinite power. and we saw ON PANEL that power burn itself out to being un-useful.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You've tried to postulate several facts as indications that the Starbrand isn't infinite despite it's on-panel descriptions: 1) "It ran out on Quasar." Which is flat-out wrong because as I pointed out, he wasn't the current bearer of the Starbrand. He transferred it to Kayla by that time and only had a residual amount in him. 2) "The Starbrand's power can't be infinite if it can be drained." Pure equivocation. People have stolen infinite power from other people before in comics. People have stolen Cosmic Cube energies from each other, Black Alice has stolen Spectre's power, Silver Surfer stole Uni-Lord's power, Doom stole Beyonder's power, etc. We both know that infinite power can be stolen. 3) "Stranger could take out a Starbrand user, so it's not that powerful." False. Skeletron had drained Stranger only of his Starbrand powers, as stated on-panel. Stranger ran away from him. If Stranger were above a Starbrand user, why would he run away? Simple answer, because a Starbrand wielder is more powerful than the Stranger.

Stranger ran away from Skel becuz his energies (having been MIXED with those of the SB as was stated ON PANEL in Starblast #3) were "dwindling rapidly" and he "was exhausted" (also stated on panel).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think you are correct that Binary's fractured psyche was restored. It might have been another character whose control over cosmic energies was restored. But I am not using Stranger in this thread. The only reason Stranger and the 'Starblast' storyline is being argued right now is because you think Stranger did all those things himself, whereas a simple reading of the comic indicates that the Starbrand was responsible.

if yur not using Stranger in this thread, then just was yur last post filled with nothing BUT feats & actions that Stranger had done, and never mentiond Ken Connell even once?? (note: I wasnt the person who injected Stranger into this convo)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A current Green Lantern's ring charge is limited and drains with every action, it still must be recharged every 24 hours and it has limits to what it can achieve. The Starbrand exhibits none of those weaknesses and a Starbrand wielder's on-panel feats have demonstrated greater range and power than a current Green Lantern's ring. That's fact. And if this was classic Hal, although pre-Crisis feats are certainly more impressive, the fact that his Starbrand aura is yellow would make it that much more difficult for him.

U hold Strangers feats up as the pinnacle, but I notice U have failed to mention ANYTHING for any of the others that have held the SB, so if U want to go by facts then how about this: comparing feats of Ken Connell (and no other SB-user) vs current Hal Jordan.....who wins??

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ken Connell w/ Starbrand 8/10 either way.

IYO, sure. in a comic he'd prolly take 3/10.

Tazer

good debate.

I agree, decent debate. But I'm going to have to lay the thread to rest by listing some of the feats of the Starbrand that don't involve the Stranger and involve Ken Connell. I injected Stranger into the conversation as a rebuttal to Tazer's statement that he has never seen any feat of the Starbrand equal the Quantum Bands, nor a Green Lantern ring. 'Starblast' is just the most obvious source to use since it's probably more read than the original Starbrand comics.

Now he wants some non-Stranger Ken Connell feats. Which is fine. I have the original Starbrand comics and will list Ken Connell's and his several alter egos' uses of the Starbrand. They far outstrip anything a current Hal Jordan has done with his Green Lantern ring. And that will be made obvious soon. Unfortunately, I don't have an imageshack account, so I'll have to resort to issue numbers. Individual scans will be provided on request. Get ready...

In Starbrand #2, an inexperienced Ken Connell takes a nuclear device to the ocean seabed and it detonates in his face. He is completely unharmed by either the ocean depths or the nuclear blast. In Starbrand #3, he travels to the Moon and blows up a mountain. He survives without air and exhibits large destructive capabilties with no apparent fatigue or effort. In Starbrand #7, Ken Connell exhibits FTL travel speeds when he engages the Old Man and travels millions of miles in the span of a conversation navigating his way back to Earth. He also throws the Old Man's carcass from the Earth into outer space with one hand. In Starbrand #10, Ken Connell takes an indestructible character named, Gladiator, to the Sun's surface in one panel, then ends up throwing him off into deep space.

But other then the fact that these feats required no knowledge, exertion, concentration or specific charge on the Starbrand user's part, they are still pretty standard fair for Green Lanterns. The next few feats show what a Starbrand can really do and outstrip a current Green Lantern's capabilities.

In Starbrand #14, the Starchild, an infant manifestation of Ken Connell, brings a person back to life and drastically altered his physique to the pinnacle of human limits. In Starbrand #15, he effortlessly pulls out millions of cubic feet of a plant monster from Pittsburgh and kills it in outer space. In Starbrand #16, he actually eliminates all death from the planet. Not just human beings, but animals, vegetation and micro organisms. He is then convinced to reverse the process. In Starbrand #17, the corpse of current Ken Connell is reformed. Keep in mind that all users of the Starbrand were shown to be immortal and even after death were revived. In War #3, every nation has fired their nuclear missiles and he deactivates them all instantly. In War #4, he goes one step further and deactivates every single plane, tank and even handgun that is being used on Earth!

In Starbrand #19, the Starchild instantly teleports two citizens and the current manifestation of Ken Connell onto an asteroid orbiting Jupiter. It's also revealed that a backlash of Starbrand power created a temporal loop where Ken Connell is revealed to be himself, the Old Man from 500 years past and the Starchild. Together they fix the temporal damage which threatens the entire universe by creating a temporal loop and merging their identities to the true Ken Connell. However it seems that Ken Connell is forced to live through the loop over and over again.

Restoring life to the dead, eliminating the concept of death itself, immortality, instant deactivation of every single weapon on Earth and the ability to create a temporal loop? Yeah, that's Ken Connell and that's the Starbrand. All above any current Green Lantern. It's essentially wish fulfillment on the highest order like a fully powered Cosmic Cube.

Ken Connell 8/10. The only known caveats are that panic induces the Starbrand power to fade and a limitation of the temporal. Hal has a 2/10 chance to exploit those... in a comic anyway.

Have u read New Universal with Ken. Pretty good

Yo.

nice list, but allow me to address some of these which Ive seen GLs have done that can be compared (anything I dont address is either due to not having a comparative feat or its ignorable):

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #2, an inexperienced Ken Connell takes a nuclear device to the ocean seabed and it detonates in his face. He is completely unharmed by either the ocean depths or the nuclear blast.

similarly Hal Jordan threw up a shield that survived a 300 megaton explosion at point-blank-range, AND protected Superman at the same time.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #10, Ken Connell takes an indestructible character named, Gladiator, to the Sun's surface in one panel, then ends up throwing him off into deep space.

yea, that took MORE than 1 panel; try 4.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #14, the Starchild, an infant manifestation of Ken Connell, brings a person back to life and drastically altered his physique to the pinnacle of human limits.

in that instance the SC said doing so was possible as long as there was a spark of life left within the body; heres 2 instances where a GL has brought a being back to life after being LONG dead:

in GL v2 #196 Guy warps time to bring the Shark back to life, and doing it thus was necessary as his body had been atomized in an oil tanker explosion.

but granted, Gardner *was told* how to do the above feat, so in light of that I submit the act (in GL v2 #183) of rookie GL-Yron of Grenda returning GL-Stel back to the land of the living (and in both cases the "returnees" had been LONG dead), and no he was not told how to do so.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #15, he effortlessly pulls out millions of cubic feet of a plant monster from Pittsburgh and kills it in outer space.

thats not wat happened: in that ish he was forcing the plant back into the Pitt, but found that at the rim it was resisting his power, so wat he did was contain it and unleash his full power on the entirety of the area (which shows a HUGE containment field visible from space) to finally end the threat but inadvertantly kills the plant.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #16, he actually eliminates all death from the planet. Not just human beings, but animals, vegetation and micro organisms. He is then convinced to reverse the process.

now THIS is something I'll grant ya I cant come up w/a comparable feat for, and it IS a doozy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #17, the corpse of current Ken Connell is reformed. Keep in mind that all users of the Starbrand were shown to be immortal and even after death were revived.

we've seen that a few GL have been long-lived, but the only instance that I know of where a GL has used the Ring to extend the length of their lives was Kyle during the Obsidian Age -arc of JLA. HOWEVER there is the instance of a woman who used a Ring in order return from being a corpse in order to return to life and kill her murderer.....which ironically was the GL of her sector (Ayria).

also of note: she brought back other souls that had also been murdered to help in the task.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In War #3, every nation has fired their nuclear missiles and he deactivates them all instantly. In War #4, he goes one step further and deactivates every single plane, tank and even handgun that is being used on Earth!

I cant remember the specific ish #, so plz bear with me: when a small contigent of GL-members were based on Earth, they claimed as their own a nice plot of land in a forrested area and made it so no electronic device could work within its confines in order to facilitate some measure of privacy from the various news agencies who were trying to get info on them (they let every1 know they were there).

when I find it, I'll give the ish number (but Im thinking it was GLC v1 #3 or #4, which would be GL v2 #203 or #204)

I'll also add Hal freezing every being in their tracks (with a single exception done on purpose) on (and hovering nearby in) space a shattered planet in the Berliotz star system in order to stop a mass-riot from a cultural opera that had been sabotaged; this happend in GL v2 #72.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
In Starbrand #19, the Starchild instantly teleports two citizens and the current manifestation of Ken Connell onto an asteroid orbiting Jupiter. It's also revealed that a backlash of Starbrand power created a temporal loop where Ken Connell is revealed to be himself, the Old Man from 500 years past and the Starchild. Together they fix the temporal damage which threatens the entire universe by creating a temporal loop and merging their identities to the true Ken Connell. However it seems that Ken Connell is forced to live through the loop over and over again.

hey, thats not bad. but I'll counter it with Hal stopping time on the whole planet in Action Comics #642 while he made a decision.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Restoring life to the dead, eliminating the concept of death itself, immortality, instant deactivation of every single weapon on Earth and the ability to create a temporal loop? Yeah, that's Ken Connell and that's the Starbrand. All above any current Green Lantern. It's essentially wish fulfillment on the highest order like a fully powered Cosmic Cube.

1) done numerous times, 2) not attempted, 3) done, 4) not attempted but clearly & EASILY feasible, and 5) not attempted.

and btw: where is yur evidence that *ANY* of the previously mentioned would require a massive amount of nrg, so much so that U dont think a current GL could pull it off??

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ken Connell 8/10. The only known caveats are that panic induces the Starbrand power to fade and a limitation of the temporal. Hal has a 2/10 chance to exploit those... in a comic anyway.

Ken Connell would get beat by a man who is as powerful as him, more knowledgeable in h2h combat, more skilled in the USE of his power, and flat-out simply not being as much of a wuss.

Hal Jordan would take the majority here, as previously stated.

Tazer

Star Brand ftw

Yo.

In Starbrand #19, the Starchild instantly teleports two citizens and the current manifestation of Ken Connell onto an asteroid orbiting Jupiter.

I forgot to add: in JLA v1 #212 Jordan 'ported himself, Supes, Dinah & Ollie to Earth (and to 3 different locations on it no less) from a planet that was approximately 1,132 light years away (the homeworld of the War-Kohns).

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

nice list, but allow me to address some of these which Ive seen GLs have done that can be compared (anything I dont address is either due to not having a comparative feat or its ignorable):

similarly Hal Jordan threw up a shield that survived a 300 megaton explosion at point-blank-range, AND protected Superman at the same time.

Originally posted by Tazer
yea, that took MORE than 1 panel; try 4.

Originally posted by Tazer
in that instance the SC said doing so was possible as long as there was a spark of life left within the body; heres 2 instances where a GL has brought a being back to life after being LONG dead:

in GL v2 #196 Guy warps time to bring the Shark back to life, and doing it thus was necessary as his body had been atomized in an oil tanker explosion.

but granted, Gardner *was told* how to do the above feat, so in light of that I submit the act (in GL v2 #183) of rookie GL-Yron of Grenda returning GL-Stel back to the land of the living (and in both cases the "returnees" had been LONG dead), and [b]no he was not told how to do so.[/b]

Originally posted by Tazer
thats not wat happened: in that ish he was forcing the plant back into the Pitt, but found that at the rim it was resisting his power, so wat he did was contain it and unleash his full power on the entirety of the area (which shows a HUGE containment field visible from space) to finally end the threat but inadvertantly kills the plant.

Originally posted by Tazer
now THIS is something I'll grant ya I cant come up w/a comparable feat for, and it IS a doozy.

we've seen that a few GL have been long-lived, but the only instance that I know of where a GL has used the Ring to extend the length of their lives was Kyle during the Obsidian Age -arc of JLA. HOWEVER there is the instance of a woman who used a Ring in order return from being a corpse in order to return to life and kill her murderer.....which ironically was the GL of her sector (Ayria).

also of note: she brought back other souls that had also been murdered to help in the task.

Originally posted by Tazer
I cant remember the specific ish #, so plz bear with me: when a small contigent of GL-members were based on Earth, they claimed as their own a nice plot of land in a forrested area and made it so no electronic device could work within its confines in order to facilitate some measure of privacy from the various news agencies who were trying to get info on them (they let every1 know they were there).

when I find it, I'll give the ish number (but Im thinking it was GLC v1 #3 or #4, which would be GL v2 #203 or #204)

I'll also add Hal freezing every being in their tracks (with a single exception done on purpose) on (and hovering nearby in) space a shattered planet in the Berliotz star system in order to stop a mass-riot from a cultural opera that had been sabotaged; this happend in GL v2 #72.

The second feat is also pre-Crisis.

Originally posted by Tazer
hey, thats not bad. but I'll counter it with Hal stopping time on the whole planet in Action Comics #642 while he made a decision.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

I forgot to add: in JLA v1 #212 Jordan 'ported himself, Supes, Dinah & Ollie to Earth (and to 3 different locations on it no less) from a planet that was approximately 1,132 light years away (the homeworld of the War-Kohns).

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
1) done numerous times, 2) not attempted, 3) done, 4) not attempted but clearly & EASILY feasible, and 5) not attempted.

and btw: where is yur evidence that *ANY* of the previously mentioned would require a massive amount of nrg, so much so that U dont think a current GL could pull it off??

Originally posted by Tazer
Ken Connell would get beat by a man who is as powerful as him, more knowledgeable in h2h combat, more skilled in the USE of his power, and flat-out simply not being as much of a wuss.

Hal Jordan would take the majority here, as previously stated.

Tazer

And as it stands, for this thread, a current post-Crisis Hal Jordan would be utter toast. It doesn't matter if Hal is skilled with his ring or has H2H combat feats. Ken's more powerful by a wide margin and if you can't accept that, that's fine. It's your opinion, but I think it's an utterly narrow one. At the very least, I think I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a Starbrand user has feats above a Green Lantern's and Quantum Band user's. Which is the statement that I took objection to in the first place.

Ken Connell w/ Starbrand 8/10. Peace.

Action 642 is not pre-CoIE

Originally posted by Soljer
Action 642 is not pre-CoIE

Yo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pre-Crisis. Either way, I don't dispute that a Green Lantern could survive a nuke to the face.

wrong, that was POST-Crisis cuz it happend during Millenium

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm talking about how quick it took him to traverse the distance to the sun.

ok, thats fair.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Once again, pre-Crisis Guy Gardner and pre-Crisis Yron. Stel is a robot too, so how much that equates to reviving a human from the dead, I don't know. Either way, it's pre-Crisis.

the Ring doesnt/didnt behave any different pre- & post-Crisis (so I dont know wat diff that makes), and Stel *was* called a life-form, so even if he's not carbon based thats good enuff for me (thereve been a few silicon based GLs).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'll take your word for it that it's post-Crisis.I'll take your word for it on the former feat. I'd like to know if it's pre-Crisis. Nevertheless, setting up an electromagnetic intereference field around a plot of land does not really compare to the global feat of disarming every single weapon on Earth.

The second feat is also pre-Crisis.Pre-Crisis again.

well, the Illyria -feat happend in GLQuarterly #7 (which came out in '93), and the bit w/the GLs on Earth happend after the Oans left this plane of existence w/the Zamarons (which was #200) and that happend after CoIE.

also, while I admit that the scale isnt close to the same Id say its a good example of proof-of-concept (given we've seen GL single-handedly defend a planet missle strikes & wrap planets the size of Jupiter in fields that keep radiation from leaving).

and again, pre-C feats for Hal & the GLC *havent* been retconned away, and the Rings werent hampered or redesigned until Kyle, so its still valid.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Pre-Crisis again.With regards to the top feats of the Starbrand, you haven't shown me any feat by a post-Crisis Hal Jordan that compares to: 1) Restoring life to the clinically dead; 2) eliminating the concept of death for all lifeforms on Earth and undoing it; 3) real immortality (not virtual and not extension of life); 4) instant deactivation of every weapon on Earth including handguns; and 5) temporal manipulations. A current Green Lantern ring is sorely outgunned. It's like comparing a pistol to a bazooka.

really? tell me: how many jaunts thru time have we seen *any* SB-user attempt (theres a bunch pre AND post-CoIE), or even how many realitiy manipulations (done post-CoIE) have we seen them do, or how many times have we seen spontaneous generation of a cure for plague it had never seen b4 (done post-CoIE), trapped a being that was defined as a god (done post-CoIE), or defended & DEFEATING an invasion that came to the planet that containing forces from atleast 9 different worlds and utilizing weapons capable of eliminating all life (except 1 specific type) ALL at the speed of thought......AND on top of that taking down 3 other beings who are empowered the SAME as U (and yes, that was POST-CoIE too)??

plz, since U want specific comparable actions, then show me *those feats* from a Starbrand -user.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Considering how many post-Crisis Green Lantern comics there are and Ken Connell's Starbrand feats come from only 20+ comics, it's clear that the Starbrand on average, is vastly more powerful then a current Green Lantern ring.A pre-Crisis Hal Jordan still does not have any feats over Ken Connell w/ Starbrand. His best and most comparable ones come from fooling around with time, something that Ken Connell has done as well. Added to that, the Starbrand aura and energies are yellow. So pre-Crisis Hal Jordan would be utterly screwed taking him on as he could never directly affect his person with his Green Lantern energies. His shields would also crumble from any Starbrand energies. Sure, he'd try to put up a fight like he always does, but against the overwhelming might of the Starbrand?

I'll note that U still havent given any proof of how current Rings cant/couldnt pull off things done in the past, and if the yellow aura would make things so screwed for Hal then exactly *how did* he defeat Sinestro, Javelin & Goldface all those times??

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And as it stands, for this thread, a current post-Crisis Hal Jordan would be utter toast. It doesn't matter if Hal is skilled with his ring or has H2H combat feats. Ken's more powerful by a wide margin and if you can't accept that, that's fine. It's your opinion, but I think it's an utterly narrow one. At the very least, I think I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a Starbrand user has feats above a Green Lantern's and Quantum Band user's. Which is the statement that I took objection to in the first place.

if U had shown that, Id accept it......but U havent shown it. U want to eliminate all feats done pre-CoIE under some assumption that Ive *yet* to figure out, and then want to take a few showings that Hal hasnt done (mostly for lack of trying) and hold them up as something he *couldnt* do.

yea, that doesnt sell here comrade.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ken Connell w/ Starbrand 8/10. Peace.

Hal would punch Ken in the face, then pick him up & show him how to fight......and then punch him in the face again, this time knocking him out.

so natch, Hal for the majority.

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