Originally posted by Juntai
I didn't say best, I said illest.
Best is up to any individual mind on who they're feeling or not.
Him being the illest is not up to interpretation.Have you heard Poet Laureate 2?
I own all of his albums.
He's good, really good at times. He's nowhere near as good or as smart as he thinks he is. For all his philosophy references, the guys in Cannibal Ox walk a hole in him, lyrically.
-AC
Originally posted by -hh-
his new stuff is AWFUL. i can't imagine how a gifted lyricist fell off so bad. his best album was probably 'Rip The Jacker'. Stoupe has incredible beats.
I agree, but notice how his best album was his best album because of someone else, not even him.
If he had standard Canibus production, which is still fair enough, it'd just have been Mic Club 2 or something.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauridefinitely. same goes for JMT. Without Stoupe, i wouldn't be able to listen to Paz or Jus Allah. Nothing special lyrically (most of the time).
I agree, but notice how his best album was his best album because of someone else, not even him.If he had standard Canibus production, which is still fair enough, it'd just have been Mic Club 2 or something.
-AC
Canibus vS. Eminem. Hm. Imo/view, lyrically i don't know who'd eat up who being that both sick as hell with it, verbally, but Eminem's certainly had a better carrer than Canibus has. And can i still remember hearing about how Canibus has always had hard time freestyling or battle-rapping, while it comes norrmally to Eminem.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Canibus vS. Eminem. Hm. Imo/view, lyrically i don't know who'd eat up who being that both sick as hell with it, verbally, but Eminem's certainly had a better carrer than Canibus has. And can i still remember hearing about how Canibus has always had hard time freestyling or battle-rapping, while it comes norrmally to Eminem.
Better career?
One great album while Canibus has had a few really good ones. Eminem's one great one is better than all of Canibus' albums, but that doesn't mean he's had a better career.
A more successful one, sure. He's also a rabid sell out.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Better career?One great album while Canibus has had a few really good ones. Eminem's one great one is better than all of Canibus' albums, but that doesn't mean he's had a better career.
A more successful one, sure. He's also a rabid sell out.
-AC
A rabid sell-out... How'd he sell-out; to you.. And what's the difference in-between a better and/or a more successful career.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
A rabid sell-out... How'd he sell-out; to you.. And what's the difference in-between a better and/or a more successful career.
You're asking me how he sold out? That's a genuine question?
He went from holding the stance of not caring what anybody thought because he genuinely though he had nothing to lose, and not much to gain, to altering his style so that it was just pretend-controversial. It appeared to be controversial, but it was tame enough for the parents to allow their 12 year old girls to buy it.
He realised the mothers he was pissing off were the ones who he needed to make him rich, as they give their kids the money for the CDs, so he started singing songs about his daughter and making shit suchs as Ass like That.
In short, he didn't care, he had morals and integrity. Then he did care, because he wanted more and more money. Next thing you know he's selling iPods, posing with his shirt off in Rolling Stone and shaking hands with Justin Timberlake.
Before you reply with "He just evolved." or some other bs, no, he didn't. He sold out. He started doing things in direct contradiction to what he started out believing, when he coincidentally produced one of the greatest hip hop albums ever, in my opinion. He went from saying "Put my tape back on the rack, go run and tell your friends my shit is wack, I just don't give a f*ck.", to becoming a record label owner and caring about how much money he earned, how much he could make off others, and how much was in his account.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He went from holding the stance of not caring what anybody thought because he genuinely though he had nothing to lose, and not much to gain, to altering his style so that it was just pretend-controversial. It appeared to be controversial, but it was tame enough for the parents to allow their 12 year old girls to buy it.He realised the mothers he was pissing off were the ones who he needed to make him rich, as they give their kids the money for the CDs, so he started singing songs about his daughter and making shit suchs as Ass like That.
In short, he didn't care, he had morals and integrity. Then he did care, because he wanted more and more money. Next thing you know he's selling iPods, posing with his shirt off in Rolling Stone and shaking hands with Justin Timberlake.
Before you reply with "He just evolved." or some other bs, no, he didn't. He sold out. He started doing things in direct contradiction to what he started out believing, when he coincidentally produced one of the greatest hip hop albums ever, in my opinion. He went from saying "Put my tape back on the rack, go run and tell your friends my shit is wack, I just don't give a f*ck.", to becoming a record label owner and caring about how much money he earned, how much he could make off others, and how much was in his account.
-AC
Don't you think perhaps he held the I just don't give a fcuk stance because he really did have nothing to lose? What'd he have.. nothing. I wouldn't give a fcuk neither on top of i don't think Eminem knew how successful he would become which is why he was talking all the sh*t. But he became super successful after all, and that's just what happened. The man become a corporation. But something else happened, as well. The businessman in Eminem came out. His corporate child. It seems to me that you have a problem with his taking advantage of the situation, and to you, as a result, produced watered-down music. And anyway. I think alot of his fans, i know me and my boys were staring to get tired of the same Eminem from the first to albums. Eminem matured in the industry and wanted to branch out and produced music that now everyone can listen too. I won't listen to it but i've had my good share of Eminem how i've like it as a listener. But i don't see anything wrong with other nontraditional Eminem fans sharing his music either. And if h wants to show a side of his that non-traditionalist can relate too like shaking hands with other superstars and talking about his daughters on songs the so be it, but don't call the man sell out because he doesn't show you how much he doesn't care anymore. Wake up.
imo I don't think he sold out.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Don't you think perhaps he held the I just don't give a fcuk stance because he really did have nothing to lose? What'd he have.. nothing. I wouldn't give a fcuk neither on top of i don't think Eminem knew how successful he would become which is why he was talking all the sh*t. But he became super successful after all, and that's just what happened. The man become a corporation. But something else happened, as well. The businessman in Eminem came out. His corporate child. It seems to me that you have a problem with his taking advantage of the situation, and to you, as a result, produced watered-down music. And anyway. I think alot of his fans, i know me and my boys were staring to get tired of the same Eminem from the first to albums. Eminem matured in the industry and wanted to branch out and produced music that now everyone can listen too. I won't listen to it but i've had my good share of Eminem how i've like it as a listener. But i don't see anything wrong with other nontraditional Eminem fans sharing his music either. And if h wants to show a side of his that non-traditionalist can relate too like shaking hands with other superstars and talking about his daughters on songs the so be it, but don't call the man sell out because he doesn't show you how much he doesn't care anymore. Wake up.imo I don't think he sold out.
The Slim Shady LP made him rich, don't even think for a second that it didn't, he could live off that album alone probably, and if he couldn't, it CERTAINLY didn't leave him in poverty. It made him a millionaire, he became a millionaire by doing what he wanted, how he wanted, when he wanted to do it. He got greedy, he wanted more, he sold out.
You dare tell me to wake up when you're sitting there making excuses for the man becoming a greedy, money hungry corporate whore? Precisely what you said is right. He became a corporation and took advantage. He took advantage of all the little kids, all the parents, and he made as much money as he could because he realised that by doing a 180, kissing his morals goodbye and becoming a whore, becoming NOTHING MORE than a salesman who raps, he could become a filthy rich man. He sold out, and only the blind can't see it.
He made music everyone can listen to because he simply wanted everybody to buy it so he could fill his pockets. You're providing more and more evidence as to why he did sell out than why he didn't. I'm not calling him a sell out because he's not showing me how much he doesn't care, I'm calling him a sell out for all the reasons I've told you above and in previous posts.
It's not my business what he does, it's his life, but the fact that the overwhelming, more or less factual evidence shows that he sold out, is something you cannot deny, even when you are trying to prove otherwise. You choose to ignore that he sold out, that's what's happening, and that is evident. How? Because your "proof" backs ME up more than it backs YOU up.
-AC