Ghazal Omid and Islamic Treatment of Women

Started by lil bitchiness3 pages
Originally posted by TRH
you blame this all on the culture but somehow this so called culture exists in all the Islamic countries and arrived with Islam? And so you think that this story is a lie

Islam is the sole reason for the Iranian women's status. Arabian women before Muahmmad wwre strong and proud, but Muhammad took care of that.

Women in Persian empire had more rights than anywhere else in the world. If we remember history, Persian women were horrified at the male dominated Greek societies.
Women were soldiers, leaders, scholars...
Then Islam arrived.

Fatima DO NOTblame the culture of Persia and especially Iran!! Persians were proud and honourable people, and extreamly advanced. Their culture is NOT Islam. Don't forget, that there are Persians and Iranians out there who remember their TURE roots and do not consider Islam part of their cultural identity.

Originally posted by Fatima
Which verse is it ?There is something in Quran called interpretation did u read it?

4:34. "Women." I haven't read the Koran in full, but I've read a fair number of the individual suras, if that's what you're asking.

Fatima mentiones interpretation. I thought that Qur'an was a literal, unchangable word of God. If its a literal, then there is no interpretation.

I've heard it said that the Koran was supposed to be understood on multiple levels (seven?), and I think it's unfair to expect a holy book to not require any interpretation (the Koran would be the only one, if it was such a holy book), but the verse I quoted seems faily unambivilant.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
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Islam is the sole reason for the Iranian women's status. Arabian women before Muahmmad wwre strong and proud, but Muhammad took care of that.

Women before Islam were like SLAVES ..They dont inherit anything , even her husband can divorce her 10 times without any officially relationship and many other sucks ..Be objective once lil

[QUOTE]Women in Persian empire had more rights than anywhere else in the world. If we remember history, Persian women were horrified at the male dominated Greek societies.
Women were soldiers, leaders, scholars...
Then Islam arrived.
Fatima DO NOTblame the culture of Persia and especially Iran!! Persians were proud and honourable people, and extreamly advanced. Their culture is NOT Islam. Don't forget, that there are Persians and Iranians out there who remember their TURE roots and do not consider Islam part of their cultural identity

I dont know much about Persian culture nor about the Shi'i law ..But saying that Islam order to punish raped women is silly .

Originally posted by Fatima
Women before Islam were like SLAVES ..They dont inherit anything , even her husband can divorce her 10 times without any officially relationship and many other sucks ..Be objective once lil

I dunno about that, Khadija was a business woman before Islam. Hind slagged off her husband for giving up Mecca, Hind doesn't sound like a slave to me.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
How long have you been speaking English?

(serious question)

"ahem" First the education system in The UAE is bad ,I have been studying English since fourth grade till high school and they never taught us how to speak English .It was all depend on memorizing only vocabulary and reading some topics in the book 😕 At that time most subjects in the University was in arabic so they didnt prepare us well but later they make English the basic language .

Why don't you be my teacher? 😱

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno about that, Khadija was a business woman before Islam. Hind slagged off her husband for giving up Mecca, Hind doesn't sound like a slave to me.

Maybe according to their tribe .

Originally posted by Fatima
Maybe according to their tribe .

Well they probably weren't from the same tribe. I dont even think they knew each other. Islam hasnt done anything for women that hasn't already been done. Besides it makes a womens life harder.

Originally posted by Gregory
4:34. "Women." I haven't read the Koran in full, but I've read a fair number of the individual suras, if that's what you're asking.

I am answering your question about equality concerning the verse that means:

*{And they [the women] have [rights] like [the obligations] they are under with beneficence, and men have a degree above them, and Allah is Ever-Mighty, Ever-Wise}* (Al-Baqarah 2:228).

Careful reading of the verse in Arabic, and in the context of other verses, does not imply inequality. Rather, *{And they [the women] have [rights] like [the obligations] they are under with beneficence}* , as well as other verses, emphasizes the equality of man and woman in rights and obligations, in nature and mental characteristics, in responsibility and accountability towards Allah and His Message. For example, the Qur’an says what means:
*{Then their Lord responded to them, “I do not waste the deed of any doer among you, any male or female. The one of you is as the other}* (Aal `Imran 3:195).

*{Surely the male donors and the female donors and [those] who lend to Allah a fair loan, it will be doubled for them, and they will have an honorable reward}* (Al-Hadid 57:18).

*{Surely [for] male Muslims and female Muslims, and male believers and female believers, and devout males and devout females and sincere males and sincere females, and patient males and patient females, and submissive males and submissive females, and male donators and female donators, and fasting males and fasting females, and males who preserve their private parts and females who preserve their private parts, and males who are much mindful of Allah and females who are much mindful of Allah – for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a magnificent reward.}* (Al-Ahzab 33: 35)

Equally, men bear the major responsibility of earning for a living, harnessing and developing the resources of the earth, facing life hardships, and defending his family and the community against dangers. A man is responsible to financially support his wife (even if she is rich), his daughters until they are married, his sons until they are able to support themselves, his needy parents, as well as other blood relatives. To fulfill these major responsibilities, he should assume the role of leadership, and this is what is meant by “a degree above them.” Thus, leadership does not thus imply any sort of inequality or dictatorship.

Yada yada yada. The Koran still tells men to beat their wives; you can talk about responsibilities until you're blue in the face, but you won't change that fact.

Originally posted by Fatima
Women before Islam were like SLAVES ..They don't inherit anything , even her husband can divorce her 10 times without any officially relationship and many other sucks ..Be objective once lil

I don't know much about Persian culture nor about the Shi'i law ..But saying that Islam order to punish raped women is silly .

Turn around and face reality,in many Muslim countries women are treated like dogs and don't you dare try to deny it

Originally posted by TRH
Turn around and face reality,in many Muslim countries women are treated like dogs and don't you dare try to deny it

TRH , I believe that you have no idea about women in Islam . These videos are comparison between women in Islam and Christianity ..I hope you see it ALL 🙂 PLEASE pray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6VcS69dWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77iGzJJcqY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St9o3V_d_ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45quXXZBYpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqWJok6hGF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyCE9iBxL8E

Originally posted by Fatima
TRH , I believe that you have no idea about women in Islam . These videos are comparison between women in Islam and Christianity ..I hope you see it ALL 🙂 PLEASE pray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6VcS69dWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77iGzJJcqY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St9o3V_d_ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45quXXZBYpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqWJok6hGF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyCE9iBxL8E

I'm surprised your government didn't ban youtube from your access like it did all the other websites

Originally posted by Fatima
TRH , I believe that you have no idea about women in Islam . These videos are comparison between women in Islam and Christianity ..I hope you see it ALL 🙂 PLEASE pray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN6VcS69dWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77iGzJJcqY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St9o3V_d_ds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45quXXZBYpQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqWJok6hGF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyCE9iBxL8E

i have a very good idea about the womens rights situation in ISLAM,and I cant understand what that guy is saying on the vid....can I date you??

Fatima is blind....her own women are being abused and she denies it....

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then explain the "No women outside the house unless accompanied by a man" rule.

Only in long journeys ..

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Fatima is blind....her own women are being abused and she denies it....

Women are being abused EVERYWHERE , don't blame the religion ..

Originally posted by Fatima
Women are being abused EVERYWHERE , don't blame the religion ..

Islamic abuse of women far surpasses every other cultural abuse of women. It is not legal to burn the faces of women here or to beat them for not covering up.

In United States and other regions there are severe consequences for burning women, beating them or raping them, while in Islamic run nations, men get away with doing a LOT of abuse to women.

Ghazal Omid is the perfect example....

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Since when did the Hadiths and the Shairia change? Please don't try to misslead. Its not nice.

Sunni believe that the first four caliphs - Mohammed's successors, rightfully took his place as the leaders of Muslims and Shiites, believe that only the heirs of the fourth caliph, Ali, are the legitimate successors of Mohammed.

The other differance is Mahdi - Shiites he has already been here, and will return from hiding and for Sunnis he has yet to emerge into history.

So the differance between these two branches ends there. Qurand, Hadith and Sharia are still the same.

quran is the same hadith is completely diffrent