Team NESTS vs M. Bison

don't compare Terry to Hollywood "Bulk" Hogan.

Terry was pushed to the point of doing power geyser with Krauser which is his strongest move till then. kinda like how Ryu did metsu and pushed to "evil ryu level" against FAGAT....which of course isn't jobbing.

oh wait, aginst regular geese he outlasted him. kinda like how Ryu outlasted a faster, WAY stronger and more durable Hugo. but that's also not jobbing, of course.

and then against Nightmare Geese Terry was almost killed, was driven to the edge of his sanity. but terry being pushed to the edge of his sanity and performing the strongest thing he's ever done till then (triple geyser) is jobbing....though ryu beating Akuma for all the wrong reasons isn't. not to mention forcing the so-called "real godtier" (as brainy you say) to retreat after a shoryuken is also not jobbing either🙄

but that's besides the point.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
igniz wanted to defeat the strongest fighters in the world and hence become the new god. he didn't want to destroy the world. he only wanted to destroy the world when he was defeated.

Igniz wanted to rule the world, just like bison he is no different.

Originally posted by Sado22

Rugal was an arms dealer whose only one intention was to be the strongest fighter and crush his opponents.

Originally posted by Sado22

Zero only wanted to take over the world. not destroy it.
Original Zero had no such intentions aside from aiding Igniz in everyway possible.
so you are wrong emperor.

Actually, I'm far from wrong, sado, you originally claimed bison wanted to destroy the world. So, you mind showing me where this was stated, because bison from what I remeber wanted to counquer ever since Street Fighter 2. So, that means Igniz, Zero,and whatever boss snk druges is the same.

Originally posted by Sado22
oh i didn't say Chunli is cliched. i said she's onedimensional. so are Guile, Ken and the others.

How are the Mono-Dimensional, there respective stories have changed far from what it used to be.

Chun li want from wanting revenge to wanting to train kids in martial arts.

Ken went from wanting to become stronger than ryu to wanting to getting married and training with his son & Sean.

Guile quit Street Fighting, so, did many other fighters after Street Fighter 2, like chun-li but, he did not pick it up again like her.

This is are sharp contrast from characters in kof who just come year after year with no plot progress. 😆

Originally posted by Sado22

i disagree. Bison and ryu were the main characters more or less. everyone else did little for the plot...except chunli and charlie who destroyed Bison. everyone else has a minimal effect on the story. Ken, Sagat, Sakura did nothing aside from aiding ryu when he was in peril. guile only helped Chunli and Charlie which wasn't saying much since all three got pwned by Bison. cammy and the dolls...hardly did anything aside from getting their 13 @$$es kicked. IMO that's not helping a story at all. how does getting pwned help a storyline?

Ryu,Sagat,Ken, and chun li didn't appear towards the end and did not even destroy bison. Chun-li planted bombs which resulted in the destruction of the psycho drive, that's big. Charlie held down bison and gave guile enough time to escape and kept bison from getting resultng in his death, that's big. Rose became bisons new body and Sagat Saved Ryu. The dolls & Cammy pushed bison back (Even though many died) and cammy helped the rest get their freedom by using the psycho drive before it's destruction.

Originally posted by Sado22

Rose is the only character who somewhat advanced the storyline by becoming bison's new temporary body. guy did nothing. Cody did nothing either.

Guy helped rose to the hospital, nothing big. Those punks have their own series they don't need to be the main characters of alpha.

Originally posted by Sado22

KoF contradicts the FF-Aof storyline but not the FF-KoF storyline. terry is still the first champ in the FF-KoF storyline.

So, why are there Mark of Garou characters hanging out with the original Fatal Fury cast?

Originally posted by Sado22

i am not complaing, dude. ur telling me that the story advances in SF2 and i'm pointing out that in no whatsoever did the story make any headway since....wait...we don't know what happened aside from Gouki raping bison. other than that all the development of the characters till SF2 was pointless cuz in the end everything is a big nothing. we don't what happened. to me SF2 is the biggest loophole and copout in the planet when it comes to storyline. it clears nothing at all. at least we know who wins the Tekken and KoF tournaments, jobbing or not.

What are you talking about, Street Fighter 2 came out in 1991 sado why would it have an indept plot at a time when most fighters were developing?. I never said alot happened in Street Fighter 2 excpet at it's end and we know that many fighters quit. Oh, and that guile was the main character.

Originally posted by Sado22

what impact did that have on the plot? nevermind the fact that whatever happens in SF3 has no point since the story is not finished. the only closure we ever get is for Ryu, ken and Chunli, all three of whom have settled in their new lives. everything else is open. Alex's story is gone nowhere nor do we understand why Gill wanted to change him.

The G-file was the most important thing in gills project, it detailed every piece information related to him. That's very big, and of course Street Fighter story isn't finished since it's on hiatus. And, Ryu,Ken, and Chun-li's story is just fan service since they have no impact in the main plot what-so-ever anymore. Capcom actually let's other people shine.

Originally posted by Sado22

if you consider that a plot helping story then how about then almost any team enterign the KoF story have a relevant bit to play as in KoF97, aside from athena's team, EVERYONE had something to do with Orochi power. Terry and gang entered to help Kyo cuz he knew he would need his help. ryo too.

Doesn't matter, Ryo and Terry would just get in the way since they cannot even hurt orochi what-so-ever. And, lbesides every year they "Help" and the specific details of that help is ambigous. I atleast know that ken and sakura fought bison to give sagat enough time to get ryu back to his sense in alpha 3.Then ll 4 of them pushed back bison, but what did ryo and terry do?

Originally posted by Sado22

Ikari team entered cuz of Leona's blood connection to it. Iori entered for blood connection and to get his mits on Kyo. Kyo was binded by destiny. women's team entered for help and Kagura's connection to Orochi as the sealer.

Kyo and Iori being trhe main character what's new, if someone is not not connected to orchi or has orochi blood they are not important.to any kof plot what's so ever. I remeber kensou had some dragon heart ability which I thought would be the new direction of kof. But, instead kyo& iori.

Originally posted by Sado22

don't see how this is important either.

Originally posted by Sado22

was their ending canon now? in KoF all the regular casts' ending is canon.

Yeah, it was canon considering that it resolves their prologue.

Originally posted by Sado22

don't see how this is important either as he doesn't help the story in anyway whatsoever.

Twelve is th single most important achievement of the G-project when urien took over and is central to his master plan and you don't see how that's important, how?

Originally posted by Sado22

it goes both ways, IMO, emperor. Capcom has made some crucial mistakes in their stories aswell. not telling us what happened in SF2 for one and leaving SF3 extremely open for another.

Those aren't mistakes and they did tell us what happened after Street fighter 2 and before. Not to mention alpha 3 subsequently retconned parts of the Street Fighter 2 plot. And, Street fighter 3 is finshed all those questions are open for capcom if they ever make a Street Fighter 4.

Originally posted by Sado22

at least KoF closes its sagas.

Because it's bigger in terms of size than Street fighter, KOF has close to 100 characters. Street Fighter combined with muscle bomber and Final fight has about 50. And, kof has more games than Street Fighter.

Originally posted by Sado22

KoF is by NO MEANS a perfect story as it has many crucial flaws (timeline for instance). however, the characters of KoF are famous for their better character backgrounds and story. not that this matters to you, but even in wikipedia, they note how SNK always produces well rounded and developed characters.

See ya.

Then kof is the black sheep, almost every character is under developed. Tell me how has Xang fei, Athena, May Lee,and Ryo developed in the kof stroryline. I could name more but, I'm tired, see ya.

~Sado

Actually, I'm far from wrong, sado, you originally claimed bison wanted to destroy the world. So, you mind showing me where this was stated, because bison from what I remeber wanted to counquer ever since Street Fighter 2. So, that means Igniz, Zero,and whatever boss snk druges is the same.

Chun li want from wanting revenge to wanting to train kids in martial arts.

Ken went from wanting to become stronger than ryu to wanting to getting married and training with his son & Sean.

Guile quit Street Fighting, so, did many other fighters after Street Fighter 2, like chun-li but, he did not pick it up again like her.

This is are sharp contrast from characters in kof who just come year after year with no plot progress.

Ryu,Sagat,Ken, and chun li didn't appear towards the end and did not even destroy bison. Chun-li planted bombs which resulted in the destruction of the psycho drive, that's big. Charlie held down bison and gave guile enough time to escape and kept bison from getting resultng in his death, that's big. Rose became bisons new body and Sagat Saved Ryu. The dolls & Cammy pushed bison back (Even though many died) and cammy helped the rest get their freedom by using the psycho drive before it's destruction

Guy helped rose to the hospital, nothing big. Those punks have their own series they don't need to be the main characters of alpha

So, why are there Mark of Garou characters hanging out with the original Fatal Fury cast?

What are you talking about, Street Fighter 2 came out in 1991 sado why would it have an indept plot at a time when most fighters were developing?. I never said alot happened in Street Fighter 2 excpet at it's end and we know that many fighters quit. Oh, and that guile was the main character

The G-file was the most important thing in gills project, it detailed every piece information related to him. That's very big, and of course Street Fighter story isn't finished since it's on hiatus. And, Ryu,Ken, and Chun-li's story is just fan service since they have no impact in the main plot what-so-ever anymore. Capcom actually let's other people shine

Doesn't matter, Ryo and Terry would just get in the way since they cannot even hurt orochi what-so-ever. And, lbesides every year they "Help" and the specific details of that help is ambigous. I atleast know that ken and sakura fought bison to give sagat enough time to get ryu back to his sense in alpha 3.Then ll 4 of them pushed back bison, but what did ryo and terry do?

Kyo and Iori being trhe main character what's new, if someone is not not connected to orchi or has orochi blood they are not important.to any kof plot what's so ever. I remeber kensou had some dragon heart ability which I thought would be the new direction of kof. But, instead kyo& iori

Those aren't mistakes and they did tell us what happened after Street fighter 2 and before. Not to mention alpha 3 subsequently retconned parts of the Street Fighter 2 plot. And, Street fighter 3 is finshed all those questions are open for capcom if they ever make a Street Fighter 4.

Then kof is the black sheep, almost every character is under developed. Tell me how has Xang fei, Athena, May Lee,and Ryo developed in the kof stroryline. I could name more but, I'm tired, see ya.

May Lee: new member of Justice team. fights evil and intends to carry out and follow Kim as her role model. think Sakura. and what did she do in SFA2 execpt making ryu take a dive and giving an unspecified amount of help to Ken in SFA3? keyword being unspecified. and that's different from Terry and the rest of the non-flamers pwning Ingiz how?

Ryo: like Sakura gave [i quote] "crucial" help to Kyo against the likes of Omega Rugal, Orochi and Igniz. if you think Sakura was playing a major role than Ryo just played a role 3-times more major than hers right of the top of my head. aside from that he is the first winner of KoF, is the new Mr. Karate and probably going to hook up with King somewhere down the line which is a smal romance thing going. see...development?

as i said both KoF and SF have their flaws but overall KoF has the better more developed characters despite having a bigger cast to handle. and again, they are noted for it. Capcom isn't.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
i took the destroying the world bit from his in-game rambling in his own ending. sounded pretty reliable to me. he said:
"i will destroy the world and my name will remain forever" or something like that.

Mind stating which game, because I don't ever remembering that ever being stated in any game.

Originally posted by Sado22

iori is way too multidimensional for all characters of Capcom combined so i'll pass on that.
lets see:
Benimaru: went from someone trying to steal Kyo's thunder to one who respects the weight his friend carries and supports him with everything he has, then went to leader of a the Japan team twice and returned again in the Ash Saga to aid Kyo against he renewed Orochi threat.

So, after 9 canon games that's it, and the only reason why he lead team japan on his own was because kyo was in the Sacred Treasure team. And, how did he help Kyo against ash when he wasn't even there when kyo was owned by Orochi Iori?

And, Iori's always being shoved down our throats, I could careless how "Multi-Dimensional" he is. Because him and kyo are a blantanly over used main character.

Originally posted by Sado22

the above alone is a lot more interesting than chunli's 10+ years story. all she did was want revenege, failed time and time again, and with having nothing else to do with her life opened a kung fu school. sounds like has-been's life to me. where's the development?

Originally posted by Sado22

the only reason she changed was cuz Akuma did her job for her. in the years from SFA2 to SF2 spanning around 6 years...how much did she change?

Like I said above, she inadvertantly killed bison in alpha 3. Actually, it's five years, Alpha 2 takes place in 1989 and Street Fighter 2 1993. And, how did she change? Here' some examples: She went from being an interpol officer in alpha 2 to a anti- Shadaloo special criminal investigator during Alpha 3 and finally narcotics investigator during the SF2 series. She quit Street Fighting after Street Fighter 2, because she pretty much accomplished everything she wanted to do since she started Street Fighting.

Originally posted by Sado22

dude....that's hardly any different from Goro Daimon!!
wanted to show Judo is the best, couldn't, got married and had a child. returned in 2001 and 2003 to aid his friends.

Originally posted by Sado22

also Andy went from one trying to be better than his brother, letting his emotions get the better of him, failing, and finally acknoweledging that Terry is better. at least that's more characters since he's admitting that since he got pwned by the man that Terry pwned, then Terry is better.

What else is knew, everyone has to admitt terry is better in Fatal Fury.

Originally posted by Sado22

Ken never acknowledged Ryu's obvious superiority despite knowing it since childhood (when he changed his ki to red to get attention).

Originally posted by Sado22

and that's multidimensional...how?
the only character by capcom who is multidimensional is Cody. went from hero, to jail breaker and back to hero again. he has flaws and his character changed overtime. by multidimensional it is this "fluctuation" in character that i'm talking about and in some major way or life changing way. you know, have epiphanies. think Kazuya. he's multidimensional. so is Heihachi. so is Iori and K'.

Originally posted by Sado22

in the past 10 years htat ryu has been fighting...

But, I already said Ryu is Mono-Dimensional.

Originally posted by Sado22

ooh...that's me doing what used to annoy before. sorry🙁
i meant Charlie and Chunli destroyed bison by blowing up the psycho drives. that's what i meant. also i said Ryu, Chunli, Guile and Charlie and Bison are more or less the main characters. Cammy's story to me isn't too relevant cuz she doesn't advance the story. same with the dolls...do we ever see them again? but that just my opinion. lets leave it at that.

Actually, cammy is important considering her plot mentions bisons body snatching and the psycho drive for the first time. Your right about the dolss though.

Originally posted by Sado22

Rose becomes his new body...okay that about advances the story as much as Geonitz when he claims that the power of Orochi will always return.

Well, considering that if bison hadn't done that he be dean and there'd be no Street Fighter 2.So, that's more important than what Goatnutz did.

Originally posted by Sado22

so why complain that Ryo and the Aof people, Terry and the FF people, athana and her people from her own game, Ikari team of Ikari warriors don't get too prominant in KoF...a game that is not about them?

Actually, it is, the premis of KOF was AOF vs FF yet no one but some new characters plays a role.

Originally posted by Sado22

heck at least Terry, Ryo, Athena DO something. Cody didn't even come across bison. the dolls, characters we've never seen since, did more than Cody. now who gives who respect, emperor.

The dolls were horrible plot point, thank god they vanished. 13 cammy's, that was horrible. Cody has his own game, so, screw him and any other Final Fight character. And, capcom does give respect, they made a Final Fight chracter survive one of the strongest moves in the Street Fighter Univers I.E. Hugo Survivng the Shin-Shou-Ryuken.

Originally posted by Sado22

SNK gives respect to both new and old heroes. Terry is never trampled on. nor did he beat Kyo perfect just cuz Kyo, an 18 year old boy in KoF94 was a rookie. nor did Terry trample over Rock who was half his age. Respect given to the heroes. Capcom could use that.
AND...don't call Cody a punk 😠

Because Snk follows that stupid heroes must win attitude.And, Ilike cody alot, but he fights dirty and he's a bum 🙂

Originally posted by Sado22

if you go age wise, then Terry would be 32 or 31 in KoFXI. he is 35 in MOTW. doesn't sound too weird to me since its only a three year gap. but i see your point and i admitted that KoF plots have a lot of inconsistencies thanks to the timeline crap.

Yeah, but none of the big KOF events can never be refrenced in FF. Not, to mention that kof ignores FF timeline.

Originally posted by Sado22
huh?
so what has happened regarding SF2 with SF2: revival? all those retcons done and we're still at square one aren't we?

Because the entire plot of Stree tfighter was single handley Regulated by Noritaki Funizu and he retired from Capcom, so, that's why.

Originally posted by Sado22

capcom let other people shine? by making Ryu beat Alex, the new hero, perfect? come now.

Alex beat Balrog in the Vale Tudo match and other veteran fighters from the Street Fighter/Final Fight universe like jerald Gobly and Balrog.Even weak sean knocked out a famous wrestler in an event featuring zangief. Stuff like that never happens in the KOF universe.

Originally posted by Sado22

-who beat who in SF2?
-who won SF2?
-did Akuma kill bison b4 the final or after it?
-how much did the characters evolve?
-what new dimensions did the fighters grow?

-Gouki killed bison
-Most characters had their stories resolved and quit Street Fighting

Originally posted by Sado22

Xang Fei: about as relevent to even FF as E Honda or R Mika or Feil Long or Makuto or Sean or Guy or Cody or Karin Kanzuki or Blanka or Dan or Sodom or T Hawk or Dee Jay or Zangief or Dhalsim (except hte bit where he helped Cammy...which is speculation) or Rolento...or i could go on forever.

Originally posted by Sado22

May Lee: new member of Justice team. fights evil and intends to carry out and follow Kim as her role model. think Sakura. and what did she do in SFA2 execpt making ryu take a dive and giving an unspecified amount of help to Ken in SFA3? keyword being unspecified. and that's different from Terry and the rest of the non-flamers pwning Ingiz how?

Originally posted by Sado22

as i said both KoF and SF have their flaws but overall KoF has the better more developed characters despite having a bigger cast to handle. and again, they are noted for it. Capcom isn't.

That's your opinion sado, I see it differently. Kof's plot sucks and nothing is going to change my opinion. They constantly introduce new characters that have no effect on the plot and yet they continuesly bring them back. They have so manyt timeline problems and the series is repetitve.

Originally posted by Sado22
don't compare Terry to Hollywood "Bulk" Hogan.

Originally posted by Sado22
Terry was pushed to the point of doing power geyser with Krauser which is his strongest move till then. kinda like how Ryu did metsu and pushed to "evil ryu level" against FAGAT....which of course isn't jobbing.

Originally posted by Sado22
oh wait, aginst regular geese he outlasted him.

Originally posted by Sado22
kinda like how Ryu outlasted a faster, WAY stronger and more durable Hugo. but that's also not jobbing, of course.

Originally posted by Sado22
and then against Nightmare Geese Terry was almost killed, was driven to the edge of his sanity. but terry being pushed to the edge of his sanity and performing the strongest thing he's ever done till then (triple geyser) is jobbing....though ryu beating Akuma for all the wrong reasons isn't. not to mention forcing the so-called "real godtier" (as brainy you say) to retreat after a shoryuken is also not jobbing either🙄

Originally posted by brainchild81

Bison got "rolled on" so it's not jobbing. Geese gets his ass beaten twice in a row by the ONE FU*KIN' GUY. The same guy in pretty much the same way. JOBBING! Come on Sado, be nice & stop making me talk about Geese. This ain't right🙁 I never knew Ryu had beaten Akuma in canon. How'd he do it? He do it on the 1st try like Terry does everybody he's beaten? Or did they build up to it?

😆 Seriously though. Taking up for something is admirable, but why change stuff around to suit your POV & why ignore the horrible truth that's right in front of you. Ryu beat Akuma straight up?

Sado, let me sum this up for you by citing examples. Let's compare Guiles Story Progress to Benimaru.

Guile was originally sent by his officers to apprehend Charlie because of Charlies investigation of Shadowloo. Charlie was building weapons after being transfered for investigating Shadowloo. When guile arrived he was briefed by charlie (which happens to be a military hero) about why he was transfered and what he was doing. Prior to this, guile was just following orders but , then decided to become an ally to Charlie and Chun-li.During the course of alpha 3, a weak guile (Hadn't even mastered the Sonic boom and somersault kick, ignore the game play please).Charlie ended up sacrificing his life to save guiles. This caused Guile to only become focused on avenging charlies death. He became the main man in post bison Anti-Shadowloo Operations tracking down and disabling remaining shadowloo bases.And, when bison was revived in his weaker body, he tried to arresst him and charge him with charlies death but, the courts found bison not guilty.Bison had influenced the court,afterwards when bison sent invitations to the second Street Fighter Tournament guile found himself there waiting searching for revenge. After gouki killed bison, he decided to go back to his family and find peace, quit Street Fighting and lived happily ever after.

(This is a rough draft,btw)

Now, let's compare that to benimaru who:Tried to steal kyo's flair and then learned to respect him, The End. Oh, he lead team japan to nothing.
And, that's after nine canon games vs guiles two canon appearence's. And, where's benimaru now and what's he doing?

Originally posted by Sado22
i meant "if i said that" actually. anyway i was just being sarcastic. i was responding to this quote yours:

what i meant to say was that if Terry got laid out by Ignitz you probably would have said "see he's not so strong and just jobs". however, he wasn't and was there till the end with Kyo, Iori and K'. but now...to you it only means that SNK is preserving Terry's reputation and giving fan service (which is good by the way).
hence my above comment about you never being happy no matter what terry does. 😄
its the same with brain.

Sado: Terry beat Geese.
Brain: he jobbed.
Sado: Terry tied with Kyo.
Brain: Kyo jobbed. SNK doesn't want Terry to lose.
Sado: Yamazaki was beating up the entire FF3 roaster.
Brain: see! Terry can't win against anyone who is tough.
Sado: but he beat Geese and Krauser!
Brain: they were jobbing.
Sado: he beat Grant too and lasted agianst Iori aswell.
Brain: they were both jobbing.

IMO what lightness says is the truth......who cares how or why?

Sado no matter what you or I try to explain to BC, it's never going to change his opinion of Terry Bogard. Sh!t I remember when he disliked him because of the anime, now with this continuing jobbing crap and now it's the comparison to Hulk Hogan. I wish he would just come out and say he hates the character(which it seems he does even though he claims otherwise). Heck I hate Iori and I don't like Kyo. Imagine if Kyo and Iori were in FF. They would probably be "jobbing" more than Terry. It would seem that Kyo is the champ in the team tournaments but as you know Sado, Kyo is ALSO the champ in the SINGLE japan tournaments....what does that sound like to you?

Originally posted by Sado22
also emp, Terry, Ryo, Kyo, Iori, K' and all the other fighters were there in the fight. Ignitz only managed to defeat K' and his team till Kyo, Iori and the rest showed up. Terry was even there till the end of the fight against Ignitz (KLantis confirms). Ryo was there too. Kyo, Iori and K' didn't do it on their own by any means.
i hope you and SBP are happy now🙂

Is it stated that Terry, Ryo and the other fighters were present? Cause I sure hear allot of Kyo and Iori taking credit of defeating the boss(again)even though The Nests Saga was K's story, it was still a Kyo and Iori wankfest as it would seem.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That sounds like fanservice, we all know terry and Ryo would have died if they fought igniz. But, to keep there reputations as unbeatables and not have them interfere in the flame users plot. Snk had them do nothing, now I'm glad I dropped KOF completely.

😆 You obviously have not seen any KOF manga or comics have you? Ryo is made to look strong. Terry gets beaten like a ragdoll left and right, and Kyo and Iori defeat teams singlehandedly. The make Terry out to be a total loser. I wonder did someone HERE have anything to do with it 😈

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
KOF, not SNK.That kind if crap doesn't happen in Samurai Spirits.

That's why Samurai Spirits is the only great playmore title left.

Originally posted by King Nothing
IMO, The problem with KOF is bad writing, if it's even writen at all. Some times I think SNK just freestyles the story as the new game develops.

Amen Brotha!

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, that's all they ever do, never mind that the timeline of KOF contradicts FF completely. So, them helping does not effect their respective plots at all.

It does since KOF is the only playmore title. Most of the new people to KOF, love Kyo and Iori and could give a sh!t about FF or AOF and when is the last time we have seen those games?...or Terry and Ryo playing ANY importance for that matter. It's all Kyo and Iori and the other fighters(Terry and Ryo included)seem to be slot fillers.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Sado no matter what you or I try to explain to BC, it's never going to change his opinion of Terry Bogard. Sh!t I remember when he disliked him because of the anime, now with this continuing jobbing crap and now it's the comparison to Hulk Hogan. I wish he would just come out and say he hates the character(which it seems he does even though he claims otherwise). Heck I hate Iori

Originally posted by P-Geyser
and I don't like Kyo. Imagine if Kyo and Iori were in FF. They would probably be "jobbing" more than Terry.

Originally posted by brainchild81
So now it's back to hate? @least you're being honest. I respect that. That seems to be why you can't see Terry losing to O.Iori even though logic seriously points to it. It's someone you love losing to someone you hate. Truth is I don't like Terry. We know that. I'm actually trying to man. He trained my 2nd fave SNK guy(who's also my 3rd fave in all of fighting games), he can't be all that bad can he? Seriously though SNK made it damn hard w/the way they d*ckeat the guy in FF @ everybody else's expense. Sado talked about Andy admitting Terry was better. Big deal. SNK went to great lengths to make that painfully obvious from the start. Terry's better than everybody from FF. Way better. The FF storyline was basically Terry kicking @ss and the others getting their's kicked. The way he never loses is just boring as hell. Terry gets beatdown & then somehow gets angry & magically comes back(In all his boss fights). That don't sound anything like Hogan to you? Seriously? Since the movies have been brought up, I noticed 1 thing the movies have over the flat out horrible & redundant writing in the games. They did the unthinkable. Terry actually lost in his 1st fight w/Krauser. Guess what? The world didn't cease to exsist blood bro. You've said b4 how Terry can win & he can lose. Now we just gotta get SNK to be that smart. I don't hate him, I just hate how SNK uses him. He even looks cool now since he dropped the pizza delivery boy costume.
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Hehe... I had the feeling my response to Sado would make you reply. My opinion of O Iori still stands. Cmon now you hate Terry and you know it...and thats fine. It's not like Sado or myself are asking you to like him. So let me ask you since you talk about the hogan scenerio...what about Rocky? You also make it seem as if Terry never lost a fight since day one. I guess on his survival in the streets of southtown, he was owning everybody 😆 I actually prefer the old Terry. The Garou Terry looks to damn much like Ken plus he is a little Chunky. Also you state on how you hate the way SNK uses Terry.....you know what I can understand that. I also hate how they use Kyo and Iori to come in and save the day beating the boss, while the other fighters stand looking in dumb amazement.

Originally posted by brainchild81
That's a possibility, but it's also irrelevant. One thing we ARE sure of is that Terry already did job the hell outta folk in the same tired way & that he never lost & nobody else had any of the glory he basked in. [/B]

The same with Kyo and Iori coming in to save the day and being the only one's to defeat the boss.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Hehe... I had the feeling my response to Sado would make you reply.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
My opinion of O Iori still stands.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Cmon now you hate Terry and you know it...and thats fine.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
It's not like Sado or myself are asking you to like him. So let me ask you since you talk about the hogan scenerio...what about Rocky?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
You also make it seem as if Terry never lost a fight since day one. I guess on his survival in the streets of southtown, he was owning everybody 😆 I actually prefer the old Terry. The Garou Terry looks to damn much like Ken plus he is a little Chunky. Also you state on how you hate the way SNK uses Terry.....you know what I can understand that. I also hate how they use Kyo and Iori to come in and save the day beating the boss, while the other fighters stand looking in dumb amazement.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
The same with Kyo and Iori coming in to save the day and being the only one's to defeat the boss.

Guile was originally sent by his officers to apprehend Charlie because of Charlies investigation of Shadowloo. Charlie was building weapons after being transfered for investigating Shadowloo. When guile arrived he was briefed by charlie (which happens to be a military hero) about why he was transfered and what he was doing. Prior to this, guile was just following orders but , then decided to become an ally to Charlie and Chun-li.During the course of alpha 3, a weak guile (Hadn't even mastered the Sonic boom and somersault kick, ignore the game play please).Charlie ended up sacrificing his life to save guiles. This caused Guile to only become focused on avenging charlies death. He became the main man in post bison Anti-Shadowloo Operations tracking down and disabling remaining shadowloo bases.And, when bison was revived in his weaker body, he tried to arresst him and charge him with charlies death but, the courts found bison not guilty.Bison had influenced the court,afterwards when bison sent invitations to the second Street Fighter Tournament guile found himself there waiting searching for revenge. After gouki killed bison, he decided to go back to his family and find peace, quit Street Fighting and lived happily ever after.

also Benimaru lead the team japan to the finals on both occassions, in 2000 as its strongest member. in KoFXI he is opposing Ash after knowing what happened in 2003. what is cammy doing in SF2? what about thawk, dee jay, fei long, zangeif etc?

Like contradicting yourself? I thought you were the guy who kept bringing up that Ryu won via cheapshot? So NO it's not jobbing. Sagat's a 1st class ass kicker that Ryu had to cheapshot to win. If Terry had to cheapshot somebody it'd be a refreshing & much needed break from his monotonous Hulk Hogan ROUTINE. Geese & Krauser could learn plenty from Sagat about not jobbing all the time. Please don't change stuff just to try to get a point across mane. You're better than that.

I didn't know Hugo was faster than Ryu. That's news to me. Hugo's use of chi is nothing compared to Ryu. Ryu's also far better at striking whereas Hugo's a tough grappler. Ryu likely had to hit Hugo a lot more than Hugo was able to hit Ryu. It's not jobbing & you know it. I can't believe you're trying to make it seem like Ryu jobs people the way Terry does. Ryu's not the master of the Hogan Routine. Terry is. (Bogard and Bollea). Kudos to you for dropping the "Ryu probably lost to Hugo" routine though.

so here's a thought:
a guy who beat someone almost twice his size, more experienced (hugo's been fighting since before FF), about as fast, a LOT stronger, who wasn't toppled by the strongest move but still was defeated is not jobbing.
but
a guy who beat someone bigger than him, much slower (since terry is famous for his speed), stronger, more experienced who was hit by his strongest move yet is jobbing.

Terry actually lost in his 1st fight w/Krauser

~Sado

Originally posted by brainchild81
laugh:I knew you knew I was going to reply PG

I know you to reply consistently.....Mr Sharpton.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Against all logic.

As I said time and time again it did not say specifically Terry was among the fighters even though Sado says otherwise

Originally posted by brainchild81
You have a right to think that. I just hate bad writing. I see how easy that is to get confused since that's all Terry seems to be involved in🙂 You know who I hate. He wears a gi & looks alot like Ken

Ofcourse I have the right 😉 I hate bad writing also...especially when it deals with clones and flameusers being the only fighters to be considered the best over the rest...yeah I agree. I know that name.....boy if the peeps from S-C saw that, there would should be an uproar...might actually link them to this site 😄

Originally posted by brainchild81
His name isn't Terry. Terry Bollea....Terry Bogard

I was talking about Rocky Balboa hotshot.

Originally posted by brainchild81
@least they were standing this time. Unlike in FF where they all got FUBARed except Terry. @least it's not just one guy hoggin' up every last shred of glory like Terry did. Terry's earlier stuff doesn't count obviously because they still call him "The UNbeaten Wolf" Have him lose in a game like everybody else does & I'll be happy.

Let the hate shine!... let it shine!... let it shine!... let it SHINE! Who said and where has it been stated, that everyone in FF was "FUBARed" as you so like to put. Show me a link please...if not than to reapeat YOUR exact words "kill that noise". Also you seem to rely HEAVILY on Sado's site(kickass site BTW) stating "The Unbeaten wolf"...everywhere else he is called the Lone wolf. You just hate Terry so much and want him to lose. As what you told me about Iori...I can say "Thats how he rolls"

[QUOTE=8585970]Originally posted by brainchild81
It's not the same & you know it. I think the chick helped. Terry jobbed the bosses all by himself. Glory hog mane!

It is. Actually it was Kyo who got the final blow in and the chicks name is Chizuru. Terry and the rest are made to look weak while the flamethrowers save the day because they seem to be the only one's that can hurt any godly boss. Flame Users are the glory hogs mane. Remember it's only KOF as of now.

Originally posted by Sado22
contradicting myself? how?
ryu DID win by a cheapshot and but if you would ever pay attention to what i'm saying you'd understand that i'm not.
think about, genius:
-Ryu was pushed to his limit and so was Terry
-ryu unleashed his strongest move yet (metsushoryuken) and so did Terry.
so what part of it [b]DIDN'T get through? but of course if terry is pushed to his limit and unleashes his deadliest move yet its jobbing.
and at least Terry didn't do it while Krauser walked up to him and was about to help him up.[/B]

Originally posted by Sado22
Terry was pushed to the point of doing power geyser with Krauser which is his strongest move till then. kinda like how Ryu did metsu and pushed to "evil ryu level" against FAGAT....which of course isn't jobbing.

Originally posted by Sado22
spare me the kudos.
so now chi attacks matter. it wasn't too long ago that someone was talking about how 3D fighters aren't in league with the 2D. Gen doesn't have chi attack either

Originally posted by Sado22
...and guess who pwned the "godtier of godtiers" akuma? he probably has one or two at most.
chi attacks don't matter in the SF verse...kinda like the rest of the videogame world but...i'll pass. that's the first thing.

Originally posted by Sado22
second, Hugo isn't faster? he moves around pretty quick for a guy his size. and some of his moves are actually pretty darn fast. his clothesline is way faster than ryu's "sweet chin music"
Ryu's better at striking...with what: his three special moves? oh wait now its four. get serious.

Originally posted by Sado22
and you have no proof over who hit who more. Ryu did the pansyshoryuken which didn't tople him either....and yet somehow beat him magically though his strongest move couldn't.

Originally posted by Sado22
that doesn't even make sense. its like kazuya doing EGWF to hachi, failing to Ko him and then defeats him by a risingupper....something that's FAR from his strongest move.

Originally posted by Sado22
so here's a thought:
a guy who beat someone almost twice his size, more experienced (hugo's been fighting since before FF), about as fast, a LOT stronger, who wasn't toppled by the strongest move but still was defeated is not jobbing.

Originally posted by Sado22
but
a guy who beat someone bigger than him, much slower (since terry is famous for his speed), stronger, more experienced who was hit by his strongest move yet is jobbing.

Originally posted by Sado22
dont use wikipedia as a reliable source. terry never lost to krauser.

Originally posted by Sado22
also as for the hogan comment:
-geese and terry's fight was going in geese's side. terry just proved to be more durable than him. he took a beating but bounced back from it. it wasn't anger, hate or something. terry abandoned the whole hate crap way before his fight with geese. his fight with geese was about enjoying the fight. so you're wrong.
-krauser and terry were going pretty even. krauser did kaiser wave and in terry did the powergeyser...and won. so you're wrong again.
-the only time what you said about "terry getting angry and then winning" happened in his fight with nightmare geese.
so....no, you're wrong. as usual.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
As I said time and time again it did not say specifically Terry was among the fighters even though Sado says otherwise

Originally posted by P-Geyser
I was talking about Rocky Balboa hotshot.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
It is. Actually it was Kyo who got the final blow in and the chicks name is Chizuru.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
You just hate Terry so much and want him to lose.

man you really don't when to shutup do you?🙂

People w/jobber auras like Terry never have to cheapshot anybody mane. You said

How can it be jobbing if Ryu had to cheapshot to win? That's the contradiction. Geese jobbed. Sagat didn't.

Chi isn't just about fireballs mane.

Apparently they do, that's why they are there genius.

It's not always about special moves genius. Otherwise they wouldn't have anything but special moves and they wouldn't be so "special"

Apparently they do, that's why they are there genius.

I think you've been told many times about this. I'll simply it as much as I can for you. If we fight & you hit me as hard as you can & it doesn't stop me, are you going to be a moron & say "I hit him w/my best shot & that didn't stop me, it's obvious I can't win. I surrender"? Or are you going to keep attacking me until I get worn down from the punishment? Seriously Sado, this is not rocket science. Think next time mane.

Yeah, that take a beating then magically come back stuff has been done to death.

Wrong for giving you too much credit it seems. YOU are the one who said Krauser was giving Terry a beating IIRC. That's where I got it from mane

You're starting to remind me of that guy who doesn't understand what he reads. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOVIE GENIUS!!!

It's automatically not then because they are sharing the spotlight. Who the hell did Terry share the spotlight w/in his battles? Who was still standing on Terry's side but Terry? Of course they didn't really get FUBARED by 'Zaki. Otherwise they wouldn't be recognizable anymore. The point is they were rendered unconcious or useless by him so that Terry could have any glory to be had FOR HIMSELF. That's a glory hog if there's ever been one mane.

~Sado

i think we should close this topic

this will never end

the same like mortal kombat vs street fighter topic......

KOF has so many characters and snk is not really clear about who is stronger

Capcom cares more about their fans then SNK does.

every topic changes into a KOF vs SF topic. soo annoying. and if somebody gives an argument somebody else don't like, then we get this stupid discussion. again and again and again.

don't you guys get tired off this

i like the old days before everything changed......

EDIT : THIS IS WRONG --> FOR EXAMPLE :

Kyo vs Ken

Kyo wins cause he beated Orochi and... and... and..... so he is able to win from Ken....

this argument is very wrong. i see it many topics.

Tiers in Tekken and in KOF or any other fighting games are different then SF.

Sado you use this argument also very much...

Originally posted by Sado22
let me summarize it then:
considered charlie hero, was a wimp which caused Charlie's death (in a roundabout way), wants to kill bison for it, didnt and lived happily ever after.
my role as baby penguin in the play i did in Class2 had more character than that.
-trying to grow up and become famous, wanted to be like daddy, failed and then understood how to live with himself.
get serious man.

Sado, even if you dislike guiles character flucation.It doesn't change the fact that he's had more character progress in his 2 canonical appearence vs Benimaru's entire career.

Guile did not try to be like charlie, he simply admired him. And, he doesn't have time to become as strong as he did, he doesn't want to be strongest like certain Street Fighters his family came first which is why he retired. His character role is finished, unlike benimaru who appears every game and doesn't do jack but jobbs to bosses to make kyo look cool. Guile's done, while benimaru continues his abysmal career as a jobber and a nobody.

Originally posted by Sado22

also Benimaru lead the team japan to the finals on both occassions, in 2000 as its strongest member. in KoFXI he is opposing Ash after knowing what happened in 2003. what is cammy doing in SF2? what about thawk, dee jay, fei long, zangeif etc?

~Sado

LOL, everytime I expalin one characters profile you bring up more .All those fighters are either retired or Street Fighting. You see capcom knows when not to beat a dead horse, when someone's role in a story is finished it's done, the end.

Zangief-He most likely stopped working for the government since shadowloo fell. He's still wrestling, infact Ken,Ryu, and Sean were at about a wrestler called Pulluk Hogan. Hogan was fighting Zangief in a title match in the WWC. Hogan was thrown outside of the ring by Zangief's double lariat. Hogan went berzerk and starting going wild. A chair that Hogan threw was just about to hit a woman in the crowd but Ryu deflected the chair and Sean KO'ed Hogan.one of his wrestling matches

Dee jay-Returned to MI6 after finding out who she was and now lives a happy life with her friends. Since bison is dead, no reason for her to enter any tourneys

T.Hawk-Rebuilding his home, since Shadowloo is finished no reason to enter tourneys.

Fei-Long- He's still a popular movie star, even though he doesn't
make any more movies. He became a real Street Fighter and disappeared from cinema.

It's funny, benimaru was in the finals (Like everyone else) yet, he's nowhere to be seen in the true ending. He's a major character and is involved with team japan (One of the more important teams) and he hasn't nothing but: Go to the finals, tried to steal kyo's flair, and admitted that Kyo's better. Oh, and he jobs to make kyo looks cool, I wonder how his plot will resolve it's self.