Who is the strongest DC Character Abraxas could beat?

abraxas can beat mr.mxy

Originally posted by Nikkolas
What you proposed was not a fight, though.

What I thought you meant was a hypothetical situation where Lucifer was in Marvel (hence "go away"😉 and LT confronted him.

Apologies if I was incorrect.

I'm not expert on GLs but doesn't all their power come from that Battery on Qa? Would such power transfer over completely to a completely different multiverse?

Just asking.

The power was in Kyle's ring when they went to the avengers. But Flash, wasn't connected to the speed force any more. he had to have a machine that stored speed force energy in him. The silver surfer woudl probably work the same way. having what ever power he has stored in him in the DCU, but when he runs out, he has no power cosmic to tap into. Lucifer is quite differnt from all these characters becuz HE IS INFINITE WILL. he could go anywhere and still be the same lucifer.

Originally posted by xmeat
abraxas can beat mr.mxy

😆 😕 😆 😕 😆

The power was in Kyle's ring when they went to the avengers. But Flash, wasn't connected to the speed force any more. he had to have a machine that stored speed force energy in him. The silver surfer woudl probably work the same way. having what ever power he has stored in him in the DCU, but when he runs out, he has no power cosmic to tap into. Lucifer is quite differnt from all these characters becuz HE IS INFINITE WILL. he could go anywhere and still be the same lucifer.

Okie dokie.

We're back to where we started.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Okie dokie.

We're back to where we started.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
LT's powers are given to him by TOAA.

Why the hell would THe One Above All give his servant the power to destroy something necessary to the universe/multiverse?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The Brothers he held were megaverses.

He also exists in all multiverses, as shown in another scan.

Lucifer can go outside of God's influence...
Outside of God's influence seems to be greater than existing anywhere in the multiverse...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The UN destroys the multiverse and makes it so Abraxas never escaped.

Thus, it was the only way to undo him...by undoing that he had ever happened.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I never said it couldn't. I'm looking into that currently.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
LT can't do anything unless he's allowed to.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The Spectre is quite weak.

Didn't the Anti-Monitor defeat/give him a run for his money?

Now, if Spectre/Anti-Monitor is still weak, then you're going to have to show me LT seeing things unseen by God...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Don't care. Not what I'm asking.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Still waiting on scans or sources.

Anyway... even without proof... why would Lucifer need to create multiverse to beat him?

Like I said... that would be like saying only Superman can beat Doomsday...

You would think that if you were hundreds of times more powerful than your opponent... ermm

I mean, when you turn down ACTUAL Godhood... it seems that you don't give a shit about making a multiverse...

Anyway... Lucifer wipes him out of existence...

Lucifer can go outside of God's influence...
Outside of God's influence seems to be greater than existing anywhere in the multiverse...

Didn't God have to permit him to do that?

And that only shows that the earlier claim of an omniverse is BS. There is no "outside" of "what is all."

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Because one needs multiversal power to beat a multiversal being?

Seems simple.

Like I said... that would be like saying only Superman can beat Doomsday...

Not what I'm saying at all.

You would think that if you were hundreds of times more powerful than your opponent... ermm

Who says Lucifer is hundreds of times more powerful tahn Abraxas?

He didn't do much.

It was Michael's power that made that place, am I right?

And one multiverse's worth of power, "hundreds of times more powerful" than Abraxas does not make.

If that works...I don't think it does but I started righting the sentence and yeah... Oh well.

I mean, when you turn down ACTUAL Godhood... it seems that you don't give a shit about making a multiverse...

Turning down Godhood means nothing to a character's power.

Anyway... Lucifer wipes him out of existence... [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, I see parts of that don't look right. Had to post it in a hurry.

Anything you need me to clarify on what I meant?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Didn't God have to permit him to do that?

And that only shows that the earlier claim of an omniverse is BS. There is no "outside" of "what is all."

Originally posted by Nikkolas
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Because one needs multiversal power to beat a multiversal being?

Seems simple.

If HOTU was universal, then he took out the multiversal LT.

Abraxas... a multiversal being has also taken out the omniversal being called Roma...
So, no, your logic doesn't exactly work, and anyway... Lucifer is easily a multiversal being, so...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Not what I'm saying at all.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Who says Lucifer is hundreds of times more powerful tahn Abraxas?

He didn't do much.

It was Michael's power that made that place, am I right?

And one multiverse's worth of power, "hundreds of times more powerful" than Abraxas does not make.

If that works...I don't think it does but I started righting the sentence and yeah... Oh well.

Also, Lucifer is as powerful as Micheal, and Micheal is more powerful than Spectre...
Who, oddly enough, Spectre=LT...

Also, Lucifer has even killed Micheal...

Hell Lucifer kills IMMORTAL beings when he has very, very little power...
Death has no claim over him.

He is simply beyond all this jazz.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Turning down Godhood means nothing to a character's power.

Lucifer beats Abraxas... it is almost a silly debate being had at hand...

Well... obviously there is...

An omniverse is everything - an infinite collection of multiverses.

You can't go "outside" that... it's everything.

Abraxas... a multiversal being has also taken out the omniversal being called Roma..

Evidence to show she may have faked her death, however.

And, besides, does she have omniversal power? Could she, on her own, simply start effecting dozens or hundres of multiverses?

So, no, your logic doesn't exactly work, and anyway... Lucifer is easily a multiversal being, so...

How so?

Tell me one universal being who has beaten, under their own power, a real multiversal being.

It's what it seems like to me...

I said you had to have the power to destroy the multiverse to beat Abraxas.

How is that remotely similar to only Superman can beat Doomsday?

The only way they are even close is that one can say that being Superman-level of multiversal-destroying level is the basis for being able to beat Doomsday/Abraxas.

Also, Lucifer is as powerful as Micheal,

Aha.

I've actually heard people debate this before and most say Michael is stronger than Lucifer.

and Micheal is more powerful than Spectre...

And when was Spectre in multiversal-destroying range?

Has he even destroyed a universe?

Who, oddly enough, Spectre=LT...

Yeah...that's why in pretty much every fight with LT and Spectre on these and other comic book boards, LT wins...

Spectre isn't close to LT in power. Never has been.

Crossovers aren't canon and that's the only place I remember hearing they are equals.

Also, Lucifer has even killed Micheal...

I'm sure this was in a titanic fight? Both at their peaks with no other factors?

Considering they're both, by your estimation, super-multiversal Saiyan Level 1000, they should have been destroyign universes with their fight if it actually was a fight.

Hell Lucifer kills IMMORTAL beings when he has very, very little power...

Then they obviously weren't immortal.....

And what is "very, very little power..."? So much for being uber-multiversal.

Death has no claim over him.

Good for him.

Since he was created before Death, that does make sense...ya know?

Death has no claim on Galactus, either.

It shows that he has power in spades, and that he could give a shit about creating things, or the power to be God.

Exactly.

It has to do with his character, not his power-level.

Lucifer beats Abraxas... it is almost a silly debate being had at hand...

What debate are you in?

I was asking a question.

I got an answer.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
An omniverse is everything - an infinite collection of multiverses.

You can't go "outside" that... it's everything.

Also, where exactly did I say anything about omniverse, for that to be brought up?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Evidence to show she may have faked her death, however.

And, besides, does she have omniversal power? Could she, on her own, simply start effecting dozens or hundres of multiverses?

She is an omniversal being... through and through... you know... OMNIVERSAL GUARDIAN.

Why exactly would Roma do this?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
How so?

Tell me one universal being who has beaten, under their own power, a real multiversal being.

Also, Abraxas...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I said you had to have the power to destroy the multiverse to beat Abraxas.

How is that remotely similar to only Superman can beat Doomsday?

The only way they are even close is that one can say that being Superman-level of multiversal-destroying level is the basis for being able to beat Doomsday/Abraxas.

Abraxas has only been beaten by the multiverse being remade, so people ASSUME that this is the only way to beat him.

Superman (besides Imperiex, and the select handful of people), is the only one who has beaten Doomsday, so Superman should be the only one to beat Doomsday... right?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Aha.

I've actually heard people debate this before and most say Michael is stronger than Lucifer.

Keep in mind, I'm not the majority, and I never will be, so pre-tell, why he is more powerful...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And when was Spectre in multiversal-destroying range?

Has he even destroyed a universe?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Yeah...that's why in pretty much every fight with LT and Spectre on these and other comic book boards, LT wins...

Spectre isn't close to LT in power. Never has been.

You base this on... what exactly? Other people?

I don't see comics even being brought into this...

Also, Spectre can actually surpass LT... so... I don't see your point...
Merge with the Source?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Crossovers aren't canon and that's the only place I remember hearing they are equals.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I'm sure this was in a titanic fight? Both at their peaks with no other factors?

Considering they're both, by your estimation, super-multiversal Saiyan Level 1000, they should have been destroyign universes with their fight if it actually was a fight.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Then they obviously weren't immortal.....

And what is "very, very little power..."? So much for being uber-multiversal.

Being depowered, and everyone thinking he has NO power?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Good for him.

Since he was created before Death, that does make sense...ya know?

Death has no claim on Galactus, either.

Or, when Abraxas was going on his rampage...

Or when Death showed up to Galactus, and she said it wasn't his time?

Quite the no claim, it is...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Exactly.

It has to do with his character, not his power-level.

How many people do you see just creating multiverses?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
What debate are you in?

I was asking a question.

I got an answer.

Wouldn't God be outside this?

Also, where exactly did I say anything about omniverse, for that to be brought up?

Look at what I originally said.

And that only shows that the earlier claim of an omniverse is BS.

I was talking about the other user.

He still beat her... I never said anything about her dying...

She is an omniversal being... through and through... you know... OMNIVERSAL GUARDIAN.

Why exactly would Roma do this?

I didn't ask if she would. I asked if she chould, which I don't think she can.

She may be the guardian of the omniverse but I don't see her as having omniversal powers where she can start effecting the infinite number of multiverses in the MU on her own.

If HOTU is indeed universal, like the whole comic intends it to be...

But it's not.

Mr. M has already shown that.

Thanos had already taken Eternity (one universe) and LT. Yet he kept going...

It's nothing more than typical DC fans downplaying anything and everything to do with Marvel.

Mr. Mxy can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder, ya see.

Also, Abraxas...

Roma doesn't have omniversal power, last I checked.

Because...

Abraxas has only been beaten by the multiverse being remade, so people ASSUME that this is the only way to beat him.

Superman (besides Imperiex, and the select handful of people), is the only one who has beaten Doomsday, so Superman should be the only one to beat Doomsday... right?

We don't assume.

We go by what is on the pages.

The only thing Abraxas feared was the UN.

Reed confirms it is the only thing that can stop him.

Thus, going by what is ON PANEL, we conclude, not assume, that destroying the multiverse was the only way to stop him and is what is necessary to defeat him.

YOU assume that there might be another way. WE go by what's on panel.

And... they base this on what?

Keep in mind, I'm not the majority, and I never will be, so pre-tell, why he is more powerful...

A. I don't know and B. I don't care.

Just telling you what I've seen.

Try the Search function.

In that scan you ignored earlier with AM, he just destroyed and remade the universe...

I didn't ignore it.

I looked at it, then looked at Lucifer scan.

Loading crap on dial-up is a pain so I exitted out before the Spectre scan wa sfully loaded.

Pardon me and thank you.

Still, that's universal power.

Long way to go before multiversal.

When?

You base this on... what exactly? Other people?

I don't see comics even being brought into this...

Also, Spectre can actually surpass LT... so... I don't see your point...
Merge with the Source?

I base it on feats.

LT shutting down the IG = Bigger feat than anything Spectre's done.

ANd merging with the Source...does what?

What feats does Spectre have when merged with the Source?

I remember him...oh, getting beaten silly by the GEB.

I realize GEB > LT but, still... Spectre's feats while merged with the Source aren't anything remarkable to put him above LT.

Only fan speculation makes that statement.

OK then, you think God's Wrath would be below the Judgement that has failed many a time?

A. Far as I know, it's failed in non-canon alternate realities, What Ifs and only once in continuity, when TOAA allowed it.
B. Considering how often the Spectre loses, God's Wrath is more like the anger of a 2-year-old.
Pissed off...but can't do much about it.

Nope... but this could be used against LT... ya know... I mean, when him and all the abstracts attacked HOTU... LT was there, he should have destroyed multiverses with his blasts, based on what you said..

Far as I know, LT's purpose is to keep balance.

I would surmirse destroying multiverses would cause imbalance....

You don't have to destroy everything to prove your power... especially when they don't wrecklessly fired blasts all around them...

Point.

But, in other beings like Odin (who is not in the habbit of ya know, just shooting randomly) their destructive power still can destroy galaxies.

So...it's a mystery.

Except he was the immortal wolf of destruction...

Look up immortal...then read what you wrote. It doesn't make sense. It's like saying there's an end to infinity.

Being depowered, and everyone thinking he has NO power?

Well...they were wrong/

Is that why Galactus has died... twice?

He didn't die in the Abraxas arc. He reverted to his Natural State.

What was the other time?

Hell the second time, Death would have taken him down, if it wasn't for Strange...

Sounds like PIS writing.

Galactus is the equal to Eternity and Death.

And, if this was the "second time" then that means he should have, again, reverted to the star-form he originally took.

Or, when Abraxas was going on his rampage...

And Galactus didn't die then. It's his Natural State...

Or when Death showed up to Galactus, and she said it wasn't his time?

PIS writing.

Quite the no claim, it is...

Indeed.

And exactly why even if there was no proof of him creating a multiverse, that it would be due to character, not power level.

How many people do you see just creating multiverses?

Not following you.

I said he chose not to be God because he didn't want to.

How does that relate to his power-level?

Why is it even a feat?

I think Abraxas is on pair with the Anti-Monitor, at least I would like to see that battle.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Look at what I originally said.

I was talking about the other user.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I didn't ask if she would. I asked if she chould, which I don't think she can.

She may be the guardian of the omniverse but I don't see her as having omniversal powers where she can start effecting the infinite number of multiverses in the MU on her own.

Anyway, she is omniversal, no matter what you say, and you don't have to destroy everything to prove it either.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
But it's not.

Mr. M has already shown that.

Thanos had already taken Eternity (one universe) and LT. Yet he kept going...

It's nothing more than typical DC fans downplaying anything and everything to do with Marvel.

Mr. Mxy can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder, ya see.

Did you even read the HOTU arc, or even the Infinity Abyss?
They seemed to ret-con things about the universe....

Did you just call me a DC fan? Know what you're saying, before you make accusations... really... Thanos is also my favorite character, so your comment, was really quite dumb actually.

I am a big Marvel fan, but unlike MOST on this board, I don't let that cloud my judgement. Or, I won't ignore evidence to see what actually happened...

Hell... if you read it through, it would seem that God had stuck him in there to reset the balance of ONE universe... it would be pointless for him to affect the entire multiverse, but he did have the power to.

It was basically God's power, but he doesn't have to destroy the multiverse, for him to prove it either. Like many on this board seem to think...

Also, if he were to destroy the multiverse, he would have also destroyed Atleza's realm too... did he?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Roma doesn't have omniversal power, last I checked.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
We don't assume.

We go by what is on the pages.

The only thing Abraxas feared was the UN.

Reed confirms it is the only thing that can stop him.

Thus, going by what is ON PANEL, we conclude, not assume, that destroying the multiverse was the only way to stop him and is what is necessary to defeat him.

YOU assume that there might be another way. WE go by what's on panel.

Reed also had to reset everything back to normal, still doesn't equate to him not being able to be beat...

I like this page the best...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
A. I don't know and B. I don't care.

Just telling you what I've seen.

Try the Search function.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I didn't ignore it.

I looked at it, then looked at Lucifer scan.

Loading crap on dial-up is a pain so I exitted out before the Spectre scan wa sfully loaded.

Pardon me and thank you.

Still, that's universal power.

Long way to go before multiversal.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I base it on feats.

LT shutting down the IG = Bigger feat than anything Spectre's done.

ANd merging with the Source...does what?

What feats does Spectre have when merged with the Source?

I remember him...oh, getting beaten silly by the GEB.

I realize GEB > LT but, still... Spectre's feats while merged with the Source aren't anything remarkable to put him above LT.

Only fan speculation makes that statement.

That... was quite a dumb comment...
Since, if you indeed know anything about GEB, then you would know that he equals God...
That's like me saying that LT has been beaten by TOAA... learn something about DC/Vertigo...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
A. Far as I know, it's failed in non-canon alternate realities, What Ifs and only once in continuity, when TOAA allowed it.
B. Considering how often the Spectre loses, God's Wrath is more like the anger of a 2-year-old.
Pissed off...but can't do much about it.

How often does Spectre lose?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Far as I know, LT's purpose is to keep balance.

I would surmirse destroying multiverses would cause imbalance....

Just because you're powerful, doesn't mean you have to destroy everything... you see?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Point.

But, in other beings like Odin (who is not in the habbit of ya know, just shooting randomly) their destructive power still can destroy galaxies.

So...it's a mystery.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Look up immortal...then read what you wrote. It doesn't make sense. It's like saying there's an end to infinity.

It makes perfect sense actually.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well...they were wrong/

Originally posted by Nikkolas
He didn't die in the Abraxas arc. He reverted to his Natural State.

What was the other time?

Also, even though he was a star, he was still very much dead...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Sounds like PIS writing.

Galactus is the equal to Eternity and Death.

And, if this was the "second time" then that means he should have, again, reverted to the star-form he originally took.

Galactus, Strange, Surfer, and Nova, all got destroyed by Magus.
They went to Death's realm.

It was said that, Galactus would reform if given the time, but Death was going to kill him right away.
Strange held Death off long enough for Galactus to reform and bring everyone back.

Oh ya... this was a couple years BEFORE he died in his mini...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And Galactus didn't die then. It's his Natural State...

The Galactus you're referring to, got brought back in the Abraxas arc...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
PIS writing.

Everything I have said about him, is usable...

Also, if you want to go see them, they are in the Galactus respect thread I have made...
His Death, the Infinity War death, him getting brought back in the Abraxas arc, and Death saying it's not his time...

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Indeed.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Not following you.

I said he chose not to be God because he didn't want to.

How does that relate to his power-level?

Why is it even a feat?

Why does he have to have all these monster feats to prove something?

Originally posted by bigbran
There is one scan where it says he is holding mega verses... whoopidy doo! Yet, he is only holding two people,

The embodiments of Two Megaverses, Not Two people.

Originally posted by bigbran
I really doubt Spectre, or Lucifer can't do this...

You may be sure, but he wants proof.

Of something that at the very least indicates they can.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, like I said, it doesn't take the UN to beat Abraxas... but it does take the multiverse being reset to fix everything that Abraxas has destroyed/wrecked across the multiverse.

According to the Abraxas Arc, ONLY the UN was able to banish Abraxas.

Basically you have to have the power to Erase and then Re-Create a Multiverse in order to defeat Abraxas.

Originally posted by bigbran
The IG could destroy him...

It's plausible.

IG>UN

UN>Abraxas

I have to agree actually.

Originally posted by bigbran
LT could destroy him...

LT most certainly has the power to destroy Abraxas but LT could never touch him.

Abraxas is the embodiment of Destruction, and as such cannot be interfered with by the LT.

Abraxas must be allowed to serve his purpose when concerning the LT.

This is why he didn't show up, even though Abaraxas was collapsing the Muliverse just by stepping into Universes.

Originally posted by bigbran
Spectre could destroy him, and oddly enough, Micheal/Lucifer are both above him.

That Spectre merged with the Source surely can.

I don't think a normal Spectre can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The embodiments of Two Megaverses, Not Two people.

I don't remember two megaverses being smaller than Eternity...

Originally posted by Mr Master
You may be sure, but he wants proof.

Of something that at the very least indicates they can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the Abraxas Arc, ONLY the UN was able to banish Abraxas.

Basically you have to have the power to Erase and then Re-Create a Multiverse in order to defeat Abraxas.

What other weapon has the power to take him out? If the IG was there, he would have been gone, if LT was mad, he would have been gone...

The UN was the most powerful weapon in existence basically, and the only thing that would really allow Reed to take it to Abraxas.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's plausible.

IG>UN

UN>Abraxas

I have to agree actually.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT most certainly has the power to destroy Abraxas but LT would never touch him.

Abraxas is the embodiment of Destruction, and a such cannot be interfered with by the LT.

Abraxas must be allowed to serve his purpose when concerning the LT.

This is why he didn't show up, even though Abaraxas was collapsing the Muliverse just ny stepping into Universes.

In the forum, LT would crush the shit out of Abraxas.

That's like saying that LT can't take down Eternity...

Originally posted by Mr Master
That Spectre merged with the Source surely can.

I don't think a normal Spectre can.

Originally posted by bigbran
No, he hasn't.
He got everyone to speculate based on one scan, while the other couple of pages in the HOTU arc, all say it affecting the universe...

Yes he has.

I didn't get everyone to speculate, I constructed a comprehensible argument and enlightened the rest.

Originally posted by bigbran
Did you even read the HOTU arc, or even the Infinity Abyss?
They seemed to ret-con things about the universe....

I have both and read both, and it's still the Multiverse that Thanos absorbed.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hell... if you read it through, it would seem that God had stuck him in there to reset the balance of ONE universe... it would be pointless for him to affect the entire multiverse, but he did have the power to.

The Flaw was Univertsal, and Thanos probably didn't have to Re-Create the enitre Multiverse to fix the problem, but he did anyway in an absorption frenzy.

That's why it's titled,

MARVEL: The End.

And please do show me where you read "ONE" Universe.

Or "A" universe

Or "Single" Universe.

You'll find "THE" Universe, which is the Marvel Universe = the Multiverse.

Originally posted by bigbran
It was basically God's power, but he doesn't have to destroy the multiverse, for him to prove it either. Like many on this board seem to think...

Thanos Re-Created the Multiverse!

I think it, because of the On Panel proof and Official Bio stated by Marvel.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, if he were to destroy the multiverse, he would have also destroyed Atleza's realm too... did he?

Negative.

Atleza's Realm is beyond Space and Time.

Space and Time make up Reality in the Universe & Multiverse.

Anything OUTSIDE of Space & Time (like Atleza's Realm and Death's) is OUTSIDE the influence of Eternity & Infinity.

Which is why they survived Thanos's absorption.

Originally posted by bigbran
But she is omniversal... so what's your point?

Roma FAKED her Death just like her Father Merlyn did before her On Panel.

Reed Remade the Multiverse, Roma was supposedly "killed" outside the Multiverse,

how did she re-emerge, if she had nothing to do with the Multiverse's recreation?

Originally posted by bigbran
No, you're assuming that since he was beat that way, he can ONLY be beat that way...

Reed also had to reset everything back to normal, still doesn't equate to him not being able to be beat...

And, if you can't prove it, then don't bring it up...

I can prove it.

The ONLY way to Banish Abraxas was to Erase and Create a NEW Multi-verse in which Abraxas never manifested in.

Here Roma says it:

"It will be a WEAPON of UNIMAGINABLE POWER that will WIN this DAY"

Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:

"But THIS Time, THIS Day can END ONLY ONE WAY"

Reed says, "Yes.... God help me, I can see that now"

Here when Reed uses the UN, Abaxas and Reed say to each other:

Abraxas says, "Put it down Richards, you have no idea"

Reed says, "Actually Abraxas I do, You NEVER INTENDED to FIRE the Nullifier for the very same Reason I MUST"

So you see, it's quite clear that Abraxas himself KNEW, the ONLY possible way to get rid of him, (even if he used it himself), was with the Ultimate Nullifier.

Originally posted by bigbran
And yet, if you knew anything about LT, you would know that their is only one... so everything that happens to him, is canon to him...

How often does Spectre lose?

When has LT lost with the exception of THOTI? (Power of GOD/TOAA)

I already tried to give him proof... he ignored it...

I suggest you read what I said again...

He was seeing things that his master hasn't seen...

And Lucifer was going outside of Creation?

How eeak is DC's God?

The Source powers almost everything in DC...
He was essentially God when he did this...

That... was quite a dumb comment...
Since, if you indeed know anything about GEB, then you would know that he equals God...
That's like me saying that LT has been beaten by TOAA... learn something about DC/Vertigo...

I don't really care.

Give me some feats of Spectre merged with The Source.

It's not a dumb comment to request feats of how powerful Spectre was when he merged with the Source.

It's simply wanting facts.

And I said GEB > LT. I know GEB = God. That's irrelevant.

And... you get this from?

'cause average Spectre is pretty weak.

Not even close to multiversal levels of power.

Originally posted by bigbran
And yet, they were smaller than LT...

I don't remember two megaverses being smaller than Eternity...

What makes you think LT can't increase his stature to whatever proportions?

Or better yet,

what makes you think LT can't miniturize the Brothers to put them in his hand?

Regardless, they are the embodiments of TWo Megaverses and there's no getting around that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... please, of course only the UN could do it...

What other weapon has the power to take him out? If the IG was there, he would have been gone, if LT was mad, he would have been gone...

The UN was the most powerful weapon in existence basically, and the only thing that would really allow Reed to take it to Abraxas.

That's a sound speculation but specualtion nontheless.

On Panel it was the ONLY possible way to stop him.

Originally posted by bigbran
We talk about characters as they are in the forum... in a comic... no.

In the forum, LT would crush the shit out of Abraxas.

That's like saying that LT can't take down Eternity...

I know that potna, I'm a kmc vet.

I was just making a factual statement.

Still, yes I agree, LT>Abraxas

Originally posted by bigbran
And... you get this from?

Get what from?

I said Spectre merged with the Source can take out Abraxas.

Normal Spectre can't (imo from what I know about him)

Mr. M, I asked about Abraxas and the IG in your Everything COSMIC thread.

Just interested in hearing your full thoughts on that.