Classic UN vs. Current UN
Ok kiddies, This is the power of the Classic UN vs. the Current UN.
Much like DS, who for the most part have never had any kind of retcon, the UN has never had any stated power upgrade. And yet we make the difference of toons based upon showings. So the UN in classic form was a galactus killing, universe busting weapon. Later scans show us a multiversal busting resetting UN. So Which UN is really Superior?
It's still the same UN, it's not like it's from an alternate universe, like the Ultimate.
Feats are constantly renewed, but still doesnt change that facts.
If I open and read a new comic and it says that the Nullifier can destroy a galaxy, I don't start posting the scan where it was stated that it could destroy a galaxy.
Simply because it can destroy the Multiverse.
Before the feat done by reed, or before any recent mutiversle feats,i would bet every dollar that these boards would say it is at the most universle(at the time of its conception up to multiversle feats) and any versus match using the UN against a Multiversle power would be smacked down hard
Nobody would say "it just has not done it yet""nowhere on panel does it limit the range"
its only after the fact that it can be said
go into a thread and say sentry beats superman-you would get creamed-try and respond to it by saying"he just has not done it,is their a limitation in any comic or on panel proof tha limits him?
If you ask me the UN is only as powerfull as the user who uses it period.
Stalemate with the same user
Stalemate..... It's the same weapon.
Before Reed used the UN in the way he did, there was never a need for the UN to destroy more then a Universe in one sitting...
We can't say the UN of the early 90's would have been incapable of doing something, that no one ever tried to do with it...
I've never seen Quicksilver race Blob in a footrace, but I would still bet my bottom dollar Quicksilver takes it every single time, even though there has never been a need for such a race to occur...
The UN has, is, and always will be, nothing but an aspect of Galactus... As powerful as the UN is, no aspect of Galactus will be topping the IG.
Thats my 2 cents on the matter.... twocents
Re: Classic UN vs. Current UN
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ok kiddies, This is the power of the Classic UN vs. the Current UN.Much like DS, who for the most part have never had any kind of retcon, the UN has never had any stated power upgrade. And yet we make the difference of toons based upon showings. So the UN in classic form was a galactus killing, universe busting weapon. Later scans show us a multiversal busting resetting UN. So Which UN is really Superior?
UN is UN. Hasn't changed
Re: Re: Classic UN vs. Current UN
Originally posted by guy222
UN is UN. Hasn't changed
it has not changed? i am not that schooled in the UN,was it not stated that it sends whatever it erases into the realm of oblivion? if it does more than that,has it not changed? i am seriuos i would like to know 🙂
Re: Re: Re: Classic UN vs. Current UN
Originally posted by starlock
it has not changed? i am not that schooled in the UN,was it not stated that it sends whatever it erases into the realm of oblivion? if it does more than that,has it not changed? i am seriuos i would like to know 🙂
When Galactus met FF/Watcher, he feared the UN. During the Abraxas saga, it was revealed its part of him. Do I like retcons, well? I know, it's not as powerful as the IG.
Originally posted by starlockIf you ask me the UN is only as powerfull as the user who uses it period.
Stalemate with the same user
This was one of my points. That Reed using the UN set out to destroy and recreate the Multiverse. Quasar set out to destroy the magus only. And quasar says on panel, that if he fails, he could destroy the Universe. Quasar Admitting on panel the power he is using is Universal in destruction. Mister Master was the one who said that quasar has cosmic senses. So quasar would know how much power the UN is about to pump out at the time of it's use. Game set and match. Quasar using the UN was NOT the same lvl of power as when Reed used it. Thus The IG is not Multiversal and Not Superior to Current UN. Current UN>>>>Classic UN.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂I'd look over the Quasar scan one more time before you "laugh your ass off". 🙄
Quasar never once says that the UN's power is confined to one Universe, he simply remarks that the UN could easily destroy the Universe he was in. doped
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Which tells us that Quasar is telling us how much energy the UN is putting out. If it were multiverse, Quasar being cosmic would have said this. HE DIDN"T. And even still, you are ignoring the fact that the beyonder used much of his power to kill death. The UN could kill MULTIDEATH AND RESET HER SAME AS MULTIETERNITY.
Originally posted by Galan007
So now you're trying to tell me that Quasar specifically says the power in the UN is only enough to destroy one Universe? 😕And the latter part of your post is of no concern to me, as it is not what I am debating at this point in time. doped
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl😄
Well go to the other thread, the classic Un vs the Current Un if you wanna debate that.
Originally posted by Galan007
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Answer this question, how many times has it been said that the IG is a threat to ETERNITY? ANd how many times has it been said that the Ig allows someone to replace ETERNITY as the supreme of that reality. Now Do you think That MULTI Eternity gives a rat's ass about the IG? Seriously. Do you think the IG could fix MultiEternity. Could kill it and then remake it?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlThis debate isn't about what something can kill/remake.... It's about an Incomplete IG having TOTAL control over the UN's energies.
Answer this question, how many times has it been said that the IG is a threat to ETERNITY? ANd how many times has it been said that the Ig allows someone to replace ETERNITY as the supreme of that reality. Now Do you think That multi Eternity gives a rat's ass about the IG? Seriously. Do you think the IG could fix MultiEternity. Could kill it and then remake it?
So,
If an Incomplete IG is able to completely control the energies of UN, (which it has done on panel), then it is most certainly >>> the UN... See what I'm saying?
Originally posted by Roldz
No diff. classic UN energy was controled/stop by IG, current UN uncontrolled energy release was controled/stop by Galactus and his worldship, Galactus lost to IG.. IG should be above UN..
that is becuz the UN is a part of big G. but the current UN has certainly done more on panel than the Classic IG ever has. And On panel, the IG is stated to make the wearer replace eternity. As in universal power. Not infinite multiversal power.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlSo this is just your opinion.
that is becuz the UN is a part of big G. but the current UN has certainly done more on panel than the Classic IG ever has. And On panel, the IG is stated to make the wearer replace eternity. As in universal power. Not infinite multiversal power.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlWhat are you talking about? You make it sound like The IG's purpose was to just usurp Eternity. That was a choice made by Thanos. He could have done what ever he wanted just short of taking out LT. He chose to usurp Eternity's position just like Magus chose to put two universes together.
NO. The iG is stated to make the user the replacer of Eternity. Eternity is the one who didn't want the IG to be used in the first place.