pret con beyonder runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Bentley
Where is it stated that he is everything outside the 616? I thought it was implied that he came from the outside and thats that.

Beyonder was everything beyond the 616 Multiverse, he was everything the Omniverse is today, (with the exception of Multverse 616):

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree, there is no way to know about Jaspers and since he is not stated as full powered I'm going to assume "no".

Since this comes from the beyonder himself it could be that his realm is only a megaverse, for him it would be "everything else".

Originally posted by Bentley
Since this comes from the beyonder himself it could be that his realm is only a megaverse, for him it would be "everything else".

The word "everything" implies all that there is.

So Beyonder was all there was outside of the 616 Multiverse, (which is the Omniverse of today).

Yep, the problem is that everything implies everything to the Beyonder, he knows nothing else, so its everything to him. Self-statements suck for this kind of thing, if we go by that "Hulk is the strongest one there is".

Originally posted by Bentley
Yep, the problem is that everything implies everything to the Beyonder, he knows nothing else, so its everything to him.

Without Beyonder, there is "nothing else".

Pre-retcon Beyonder = The sum of everything Beyond the 616 Multiverse, which again is the Omniverse of today.

That much is quite unarguable IMO.

Says the Beyonder. If a guy is everything outside the earth, you erase it and there aren't stars, space or anything of the sort, it still doesn't ban the possibility of other dimensions. Yet, for a classic physician he would be "everything".

He could be a megaverse, not necessarily the omniverse. This is only the Beyonder stating things, he is limited, thus, not trustable.

Originally posted by Bentley
Says the Beyonder. If a guy is everything outside the earth, you erase it and there aren't stars, space or anything of the sort, it still doesn't ban the possibility of other dimensions. Yet, for a classic physician he would be "everything".

He could be a megaverse, not necessarily the omniverse. This is only the Beyonder stating things, he is limited, thus, not trustable.

"Not trustable"?

I didn't see anyone disagreeing with him, or proving that fact wrong.

Did you? ❌

Even Molecule Man knew it was true..

Originally posted by Galan007
Ok..

Once again, Beyonder was everything outside of the 616 Multiverse.

The space occupied by the Omniverse today, was once Beyonder's real-estate.

And Jaspers only had the potential to be an Omniversal threat, who knows how long it would take for him to reach this potential? srug

Again,

Beyonder defeats every team, (with the exception of team #9), easily.

How can you say that beyonder was everything outside of marvel and that that is the omniverse? What if the omniverse always was? It would seem that it was and that they had eluded to it before. There was a specific number to the beyonder's power, even if he was the actual space of everything outside the 616, that still doesn't make him as powerful as the Omniverse that actually exist today. He just was that space. The omniverse today is filled with things like the heart of the universe and such, the beyonder is NOT equal at all to today's omniverse.

@Galan: An omniscent narrator would be a fine proof to back such claims, maybe some cosmics doing the talking, the Beyonder talking about himself its biased. Megaversal is still quite high in the chain, thats what the brothers were.

Originally posted by Galan007
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"Not trustable"?

I didn't see anyone disagreeing with him, or proving that fact wrong.

Did you? ❌

Even Molecule Man knew it was true..

They only knew what they knew. They didn't know about The DCU either, but that doesn't make it not exist. Unless everyone thinks the beyonder was the actual comics multiverse, which is what marvel was trying to imply. But the beyonder's own statements are NOT permissible. The panels tell us that he is millions of times more powerful than the Multiverse. The actual omniverse is infinitely more times powerful than one mulitiverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How can you say that beyonder was everything outside of marvel and that that is the omniverse? What if the omniverse always was? It would seem that it was and that they had eluded to it before. There was a specific number to the beyonder's power, even if he was the actual space of everything outside the 616, that still doesn't make him as powerful as the Omniverse that actually exist today. He just was that space. The omniverse today is filled with things like the heart of the universe and such, the beyonder is NOT equal at all to today's omniverse.

Originally posted by Bentley
Says the Beyonder. If a guy is everything outside the earth, you erase it and there aren't stars, space or anything of the sort, it still doesn't ban the possibility of other dimensions. Yet, for a classic physician he would be "everything".

It was meant to be an example. The word of the Beyonder is not reliable on this, Nvr is saying that too.

Originally posted by Galan007
I never commented on what Beyonder had power over, I simply stated that fact that he was everything beyond the 616 Multiverse. doped

Well the beyonder was kinda simple, and not at all omnicient. SO I wont' be taking his word for it that he was everything outside of the multiverse. He didn't even know what the 616 was till he got there. He certainly was not a for real Omnipotent being in the true sense. He had power and was very limited. Even mxy commented on this very same kind of thing. He says, you dont' muck with creation, or you'll mess it up and wont' have anything to play with. The beyonder was so dumb, that he killed multideath not knowing what he was doing. SO I certainly wont' take his word for it that he actually was everything outside of the 616 multiverse.

Originally posted by Bentley
@Galan: An omniscent narrator would be a fine proof to back such claims, maybe some cosmics doing the talking, the Beyonder talking about himself its biased. Megaversal is still quite high in the chain, thats what the brothers were.

And FYI,

The pre-retcon Brothers were EVERYTHING in their respective companies (Marvel/DC)...

After they were retconned, the Brothers were demoted to Megaversal status.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder was so dumb, that he killed multideath not knowing what he was doing. SO I certainly wont' take his word for it that he actually was everything outside of the 616 multiverse.

Beyonder knew exactly what killing Death would do, that's why he did it. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
Beyonder being everything beyond was NEVER disproved, so I don't know where your "facts" are coming from. 😕

And FYI,

The pre-retcon Brothers were EVERYTHING in their respective companies (Marvel/DC)...

After they were retconned, the Brothers were demoted to Megaversal status.

Originally posted by Galan007
Beyonder being everything beyond was NEVER disproved, so I don't know where your "facts" are coming from. 😕

And FYI,

The pre-retcon Brothers were EVERYTHING in their respective companies (Marvel/DC)...

After they were retconned, the Brothers were demoted to Megaversal status.

I don't need to prove anything, I'm stating that what you show is not a conclusive proof. It could be what you say, it could be what I say. I'm argue that you take non-facts as facts.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And the beyonder was never disproved because he actually was disproved. He was retconned. DISPROVED.

This is pre-retcon Beyonder whom is being debated. 😉

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The brothers were not Demoted. IT takes both companies to do this sense they were owned by both companies. And the beyonder was never disproved because he actually was disproved. He was retconned. DISPROVED.