pret con beyonder runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by Galan007
A retcon means nothing here friend,

This is pre-retcon Beyonder whom is being debated. 😉

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't need to prove anything, I'm stating that what you show is not a conclusive proof. It could be what you say, it could be what I say. I'm argue that you take non-facts as facts.

Galan seriously, what you state is not a proof, bring any decent debater and he will agree.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd to such, he still was never proven to actually be everything outside the multiverse. We only have his words to back his claims. THanks. We already know that words from the person talking about themself is NOT enough.

Thanks, I'll remember this the next time you bring up what a character says about themselves. 😄

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also, the beyonder was dumb. He acted like a big kid. He ****ed up when he killed death and made life worthless. He really wasn't all that smart. He was a tard.

So how does that make him "dumb"?

Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, so I won't take Ultimator's word for what he was either...

Thanks, I'll remember this the next time you bring up what a character says about themselves. 😄

Beyonder knew exactly what killing Death would do..... That's why he did it.

So how does that make him "dumb"?

He was too dumb to know that he messed with the what makes life worth living. He was dumb. He did act like a big kid. ANd as for the Ultimator thing, We also have the fact that the Ultimator was able to pwn 5th dimensional beings with great EASE. something That No one in comics has EVER been shown doing. So we know that he was Severly powerful. I also dont' know if the Ultimator was everything, only he said it, and i have found out that the dimensions in DC go upwards of a hundred, so we know the Ultimator probably wasn't everything, only everything up until the tenth dimension.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and i have found out that the dimensions in DC go upwards of a hundred

Originally posted by Galan007
Darkseid said there was 28 known dimensions, but that was a little while ago.

There are more. Check out Teen Titans number 42- or 43. The PS and some other mystichs are in dimension 56 or something like that. and they comment on more dimensions. I can't member off top of my head and i'm too lazy to go reread it lol.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There are more. Check out Teen Titans number 42- or 43. The PS and some other mystichs are in dimension 56 or something like that. and they comment on more dimensions. I can't member off top of my head and i'm too lazy to go reread it lol.

And I just realized that Darkseid only said that Metron had studied 28 of the known dimensions..

He didn't say that's all there was.

Now is time to argue how Mad Jim Jaspers merged with the Fury (his current incarnation), will in fact not go down easily against the Beyonder.

Originally posted by Bentley
@Galan: An omniscent narrator would be a fine proof to back such claims, maybe some cosmics doing the talking, the Beyonder talking about himself its biased.

the beyonder was supposed to be above all other cosmics in terms of omnipotence and omniscience at the time, so the beyonder talking about himself would be more credible than the cosmics talking about him. in example albert einstein claiming that he could prove the theory of relativity would be more credible than a 3 year old child claiming that he could not.

Originally posted by Bentley
Megaversal is still quite high in the chain, thats what the brothers were.

megaversal is what the brothers are now, what they used to be is the omniverse of the respective marvel and dc comics.

he may have trouble with #9 but pre-retcon beyonder clears this gauntlet.

can someone tell me who is mutideath?

Can someone explain to me how LT w/HOTU has any more influence than Thanos does? HOTU is HOTU, no more no less unless stated otherwise. Thanos, at most- had influence over all of the Marvel Multi-verse. Death and Atleza's realm was out of his reach, we know that. Pre-retcon MM tryed to defeat beyonder, but he could only gather the free energy in a single multi-verse. He stated as well as Beyonder, is millions of times more powerful than the multiverse.

Pre-ret beyonder wins.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Can someone explain to me how LT w/HOTU has any more influence than Thanos does? HOTU is HOTU, no more no less unless stated otherwise.

All I can think is that maybe LT could control THOTI's energies to a greater degree then Thanos could.

Sort of like Nebula /w/ IG v.s. Warlock /w/ IG....

Warlock would win every single time.

Why?

Because he is able to comprehend/control the IG's forces to a much greater degree.

Of course what I have said concerning THOTI cannot be validated, since Thanos is the only one to have ever held it..... But it makes perfect sense.

Gets his shit kicked at 9.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
There are more. Check out Teen Titans number 42- or 43. The PS and some other mystichs are in dimension 56 or something like that. and they comment on more dimensions.

This demon was in the 52nd Dimension:

Originally posted by Galan007
I think this is what you're talking about.

This demon was in the 52nd Dimension:

Galan, how does Beyonder compare to LT now

Originally posted by guy222
Galan, how does Beyonder compare to LT now

Pre-retcon Beyonder > LT of nowadays.

Originally posted by Galan007
IMO,

Pre-retcon Beyonder > LT of nowadays.

Sounds fair. Cool Amazo thread 🙂

Originally posted by guy222
Sounds fair. Cool Amazo thread 🙂

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd to such, he still was never proven to actually be everything outside the multiverse. We only have his words to back his claims. THanks. We already know that words from the person talking about themself is NOT enough. Also, the beyonder was dumb. He acted like a big kid. He ****ed up when he killed death and made life worthless. He really wasn't all that smart. He was a tard.

It really doesn't matter because in 84 beyonders realm was much bigger then the 616 multiverse.

I believe the words "Oure own universe a drop in the ocean" was the words used. He will still be beyond everything in 84 and he had the ability to erase death and then bring death back into the universe with his powers beyonder himself also said that he restrained himself and didn't use all his powers so he gets to nine but stoppes.