Originally posted by Seraphim XIIIWhat the hell are you ranting about? Let's look at something; you were already going off about how hard and difficult mean the same thing. I posted only once with a little joke about it, once and only one and then you keep on ranting about this as usual. You then say that I was also arguing about this and that is the reason that this "debate" went on, so please get your facts straight.
Pointless semantics just to cover your own ass, Pittman. You were wrong in this instance.I can ADMIT when I am and I have various times. It seems you fail to man up, per usual.
Second of all I was not wrong because it was a joke or humor if you want to play with words. I will admit when I am wrong and I have never EVER seen you admit that you were wrong. I'm more mature and more of a man then you will ever be, I was never in this dumb ass "debate" so what they hell would I need to man up to. And again you think you are so fricken high and mighty that you are above all, please just get a clue.
Originally posted by ThePittman
What the hell are you ranting about? Let's look at something; you were already going off about how hard and difficult mean the same thing. I posted only once with a little joke about it, once and only one and then you keep on ranting about this as usual. You then say that I was also arguing about this and that is the reason that this "debate" went on, so please get your facts straight.
More shit. You weren't joking, Pittman. Nothing in your post indicated a joke. You attempted to stump me and I threw it back in your face so you dismissed it as a joke. I've seen that all too many times.
Second of all I was not wrong because it was a joke or humor if you want to play with words. I will admit when I am wrong and I have never EVER seen you admit that you were wrong. I'm more mature and more of a man then you will ever be, I was never in this dumb ass "debate" so what they hell would I need to man up to. And again you think you are so fricken high and mighty that you are above all, please just get a clue.
If you haven't seen me admit I'm wrong, maybe you need better awareness, because I have before various times. No, don't self proclaim yourself as more mature than me. That's arrogance. Ironically, arrogance is practically immature.
Stop dismissing your stupidly misleading and incorrect post as a joke. No one
Originally posted by ThePittman
Hard = Difficult
so
Rock = Difficult
hum
^ I'm sorry, but that looks like NO joke I've ever seen. It looks like you trying to prove me wrong.
I post this:
Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
HAHAHA!That's a Hard surface compared to a Hard task. You're comparing the wrong animals, Pittman.
Definition of Hard once again for those who seemingly can't read:
"difficult to do or accomplish; fatiguing; troublesome: a hard task."
And you come back eons later labelling your post as a joke.
Give me a damn break. Grow up.
Originally posted by Seraphim XIIIWell first off my posting “eons” after you is simple because you don’t consume my life with your ramblings and I have a real life that I must attend to. Arrogance which I do not have but you have in abundance is not a sign of immaturity or are we going to debate that one as well. As for my humor if you don’t get it and couldn’t see it in that post than that is your mistake, just because we don’t have the same type of humor or wit doesn’t mean that it wasn’t and just because you didn’t get the joke and everyone else seems too is your issue. [joke]If I wanted to stump you I would simply use logic.[/joke] I hope you saw what I did there to help you understand that was a joke. 😛
More shit. You weren't joking, Pittman. Nothing in your post indicated a joke. You attempted to stump me and I threw it back in your face so you dismissed it as a joke. I've seen that all too many times.If you haven't seen me admit I'm wrong, maybe you need better awareness, because I have before various times. No, don't self proclaim yourself as more mature than me. That's arrogance. Ironically, arrogance is practically immature.
Stop dismissing your stupidly misleading and incorrect post as a joke. No one
^ I'm sorry, but that looks like NO joke I've ever seen. It looks like you trying to prove me wrong.
I post this:
And you come back eons later labelling your post as a joke.
Give me a damn break. Grow up.
Originally posted by ThePittman Well first off my posting “eons” after you is simple because you don’t consume my life with your ramblings and I have a real life that I must attend to.
You don't need to consume your life with my ramblings. I actually find it very easy to read and reply with a decent comprehension. Anyone with half of a brain would, really.
I have a real life to attend to as well. If I didn't have a life, I wouldn't be effectively posting right now. Hahaha.
Arrogance which I do not have but you have in abundance is not a sign of immaturity or are we going to debate that one as well.
Yes, we are going to debate it. You think you can just say what you want and get away with it? That's bullshit, Pittman. You can't. I won't allow you to. That's the purpose of a debate; People don't agree with other all the time. On this occassion, we do not.
You do have arrogance. You tried to pass off that you're more mature than me. Can you prove this statement? It's a Loss/Loss situation for you.
A) You posted something incorrect (Or what you thought was correct) during a debate and came back with inconsequential excuses.
OR
B) You posted an unfunny joke in the middle of a debate without clarifying yourself and called someone else immature because they took it literally, seeing as you left a vague comment comparing two different entities.
As for my humor if you don’t get it and couldn’t see it in that post than that is your mistake, just because we don’t have the same type of humor or wit doesn’t mean that it wasn’t and just because you didn’t get the joke and everyone else seems too is your issue.
I can get your humor. I picked it up faster than a crack whore picks up AIDs. The point is; You posted it at the wrong time, It wasn't funny AND you didn't clarify it as a joke whatsoever.
I still think you're lying. You didn't indicate it was a joke. It was a vague, empty comparison that was FAR beyond wrong and it displayed outright ignorance because you compared apples and oranges.
[joke]If I wanted to stump you I would simply use logic.[/joke] I hope you saw what I did there to help you understand that was a joke. 😛
Nice try, but (Ironically) anyone able to even use logic can tell this is beyond a shoddy cover-up for your mistake.
Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
I still think you're lying. You didn't indicate it was a joke. It was a vague, empty comparison that was FAR beyond wrong and it displayed outright ignorance because you compared apples and oranges.
My hypocrite alarm went off, what's going on? Oh...must be busted.
Hey, Seraph, remember that time I said "I think you're lying." and you told me you weren't, and that was that, because it was your word? That was great. True, and also great.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My hypocrite alarm went off, what's going on? Oh...must be busted.Hey, Seraph, remember that time I said "I think you're lying." and you told me you weren't, and that was that, because it was your word? That was great. True, and also great.
-AC
No, that's because I don't lie. You won't ever see me lie. I cannot trust Pittman. Why? Because his post clearly was not a joke. He tried to catch me in the wrong, and he knew he failed so he's attempting to cover it up. That's just obvious. The circumstances are different because the previous situation was more subjective to possibilities. This one? Not so much.
Originally posted by Seraphim XIIIOh my god, you can't be for real. You seriously think this? You have debated me before over another topic like this and you have seen first hand how I debate so if anyone at all would know what my debating style is it should be you. However that doesn't surprise me at all because in the last one you kept getting me confused with someone else trying to say I did this when it was clearly never me and you just skated over the topic because you knew you were wrong and didn't admit it. You simply tried to cover it up with your usual BS. You say you don't lie and that you admit when you are wrong many times here, so show us.
No, that's because I don't lie. You won't ever see me lie. I cannot trust Pittman. Why? Because his post clearly was not a joke. He tried to catch me in the wrong, and he knew he failed so he's attempting to cover it up. That's just obvious. The circumstances are different because the previous situation was more subjective to possibilities. This one? Not so much.
You have made a bold statement so prove it, and I really don't care if you trust me or not. I wouldn't trust someone that is from my opinion just another Troll, granted a decent one but another Troll. No one could really be this hypocritical, arrogant, pig headed and confrontational in real life. You would walk outside see everyone looking up and ask them "what are you looking at?" and 100 people say a bird and you say "no it's a duck" and you would in your own mind think that those 100 people are wrong.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Oh my god, you can't be for real. You seriously think this? You have debated me before over another topic like this and you have seen first hand how I debate so if anyone at all would know what my debating style is it should be you.
I've debated with you once, and you never know when someone can be sporadically spontaneous. Some humans are naturally unpredictable.
I don't know you, so you're not trustworthy. Simple.
However that doesn't surprise me at all because in the last one you kept getting me confused with someone else trying to say I did this when it was clearly never me and you just skated over the topic because you knew you were wrong and didn't admit it.
What happened before is irrelevant, so don't pull a Strawman Fallacy.
What you just explained is exactly what you're doing now. I find that so pathetically ironic.
You simply tried to cover it up with your usual BS. You say you don't lie and that you admit when you are wrong many times here, so show us.
Ask anyone. Ask Alpha Centauri or Strangelove. I debate with them the most. They can personally TELL you that I've admitted when I'm wrong and have even apologized for it.
Stop taking about me and referring to me to cover your own ASS. You're avoiding and dodging what we're talking about and you're perpetually bringing up irrelevant issues. You cannot explain yourself. It's impossible.
You have made a bold statement so prove it, and I really don't care if you trust me or not. I wouldn't trust someone that is from my opinion just another Troll, granted a decent one but another Troll. No one could really be this hypocritical, arrogant, pig headed and confrontational in real life. You would walk outside see everyone looking up and ask them "what are you looking at?" and 100 people say a bird and you say "no it's a duck" and you would in your own mind think that those 100 people are wrong.
Why don't you prove it? Prove it was a joke, since you seem so persistent to beg for proof.
You have the burden of proof, actually. You made a claim and I went against that. You have not proven yourself. Your post simply did not pass off as a joke. It was OBVIOUS you wanted to attempt to catch me in the wrong. I completely crumbled your statement and now you're trying to dismiss it as a joke.
Why would you make a joke in the middle of a debate? Why one that JUST SO HAPPENS to be relevant with the subject of argument? Why no smiley to indicate you're joking, but instead, posting one scratching your head. Although smilies should not be used in debates, that indicated this: "What are you talking about"?
Originally posted by ThePittman
Hard = Difficult
so
Rock = Difficult
hum
How can you label that post as a joke? You tried to prove me wrong.
And you failed so terribly.
Originally posted by Seraphim XIIIYou continue to use the definition on the Strawman logical fallacy very liberally. Is Pittman arguing against a position that is not your own? From what I can tell, no. However, it is something that you tend to do.
What happened before is irrelevant, so don't pull a Strawman Fallacy.
Ask anyone. Ask Alpha Centauri or Strangelove. I debate with them the most. They can personally TELL you that I've admitted when I'm wrong and have even apologized for it.The one time you have admitted your wrongdoing was over a grammatical error, which you immediately tried to dilute by pointing out an error of mine. Nor did you apologize. Other times when you have been all but proven wrong you just disappear from the discussion altogether. No admittance, no apology.
Why don't you prove it? Prove it was a joke, since you seem so persistent to beg for proof.No proof is required, you zealot. If he meant it as a joke, then there is really no proof to be had. It was a joke. You didn't take it as one. That's no one's fault but yours.
Originally posted by StrangeloveOwned 😆
You continue to use the definition on the Strawman logical fallacy very liberally. Is Pittman arguing against a position that is not your own? From what I can tell, no. However, it is something that you tend to do.The one time you have admitted your wrongdoing was over a grammatical error, which you immediately tried to dilute by pointing out an error of mine. Nor did you apologize. Other times when you have been all but proven wrong you just disappear from the discussion altogether. No admittance, no apology.No proof is required, you zealot. If he meant it as a joke, then there is really no proof to be had. It was a joke. You didn't take it as one. That's no one's fault but yours.
Originally posted by Seraphim XIIIFirst off prove that you have never lied, can you? How can someone prove a joke? Buy your own statement what happens in the past doesn't matter, so how can you prove anyone what I just talked about? Though you are mistaken, what happens in the past does matter if you have shown that you can't even get the person that you are debating with straight then how can someone trust you. You kept confusing me with Strangelove in your previous debate over PM and I hade to keep pointing out to you that I never said it but Strangelove did.
I've debated with you once, and you never know when someone can be sporadically spontaneous. Some humans are naturally unpredictable.I don't know you, so you're not trustworthy. Simple.
What happened before is irrelevant, so don't pull a Strawman Fallacy.
What you just explained is exactly what you're doing now. I find that so pathetically ironic.
Ask anyone. Ask Alpha Centauri or Strangelove. I debate with them the most. They can personally TELL you that I've admitted when I'm wrong and have even apologized for it.
Stop taking about me and referring to me to cover your own ASS. You're avoiding and dodging what we're talking about and you're perpetually bringing up irrelevant issues. You cannot explain yourself. It's impossible.
Why don't you prove it? Prove it was a joke, since you seem so persistent to beg for proof.
You have the burden of proof, actually. You made a claim and I went against that. You have not proven yourself. Your post simply did not pass off as a joke. It was OBVIOUS you wanted to attempt to catch me in the wrong. I completely crumbled your statement and now you're trying to dismiss it as a joke.
Why would you make a joke in the middle of a debate? Why one that JUST SO HAPPENS to be relevant with the subject of argument? Why no smiley to indicate you're joking, but instead, posting one scratching your head. Although smilies should not be used in debates, that indicated this: "What are you talking about"?
How can you label that post as a joke? You tried to prove me wrong.
And you failed so terribly.
With this issue I posted one, and only one but you used past experience to assume that I was debating with you, again assuming something that is false. A joke can have a point which this one did you just didn't like it. So now you want to argue about the nature of a joke.
Point:
1. It was posted as a joke.
2. It was posted to show how stupid your statement was.
3. Nuff said.
*insert Seraphim XIII ramblings on how I'm illogical, stupid, immature and that I'm using Strawman Fallacy*
You continue to use the definition on the Straw man logical fallacy very liberally. Is Pittman arguing against a position that is not your own? From what I can tell, no. However, it is something that you tend to do.
I'm going to carefully walk you through this one, because you seem to not know what a Straw man fallacy is, which I find ironic considering you take Logic classes. Heh.
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.
To commit a Straw man fallacy, you must effectively set up something irrelevant and misleading to attack, correct?
However that doesn't surprise me at all because in the last one you kept getting me confused with someone else trying to say I did this when it was clearly never me and you just skated over the topic because you knew you were wrong and didn't admit it.
He is referring to a previous argument. It is irrelevant to this situation. He effectively breached logical by summoning the proverbial Straw man and attacking it, effectively utilizing rhetoric to drive the debate off course.
He is arguing against a position that is my own, yes, but you're missing the primary picture here, good friend. He argued against something that was irrelevant to the debate, which was a previous argument we had already settled.
The one time you have admitted your wrongdoing was over a grammatical error, which you immediately tried to dilute by pointing out an error of mine. Nor did you apologize. Other times when you have been all but proven wrong you just disappear from the discussion altogether. No admittance, no apology.
That's a lie. Bring up one instance where I have walked away from a discussion.
Yeah, I admitted that I was wrong in my grammatical error. Hahaha, and then proceeded to call you out on your blunt hypocrisy. I had to, I could not resist.
I've done it more times than once, I can assure you. Besides, someone has to admit they're wrong around here.
No proof is required, you zealot. If he meant it as a joke, then there is really no proof to be had. It was a joke. You didn't take it as one. That's no one's fault but yours.
I wish it worked that way. He's dancing around the point. Life doesn't work that way where "Oh, well, I believe you because you said so!"
Show me ANYTHING in his posts that even places it parallel with a joke. He requires proof to back up his claim. He has none.
I'm not a zealot. It involves someone fanatical and committed. I find this quite easy and it's not something I do primarily.
Originally posted by ThePittman
Owned 😆
Wow, you just called yourself mature a few posts ago.
Another breech in trust. Dissapointing.
First off prove that you have never lied, can you? How can someone prove a joke?
I didn't say I've never lied, I said you won't SEE me lie.
"I'm Pittman, I make false statements and put words in peoples mouth. When I make mistakes, I can't man up to them so I lie! Weeeeeee!"
Buy your own statement what happens in the past doesn't matter, so how can you prove anyone what I just talked about? Though you are mistaken, what happens in the past does matter if you have shown that you can't even get the person that you are debating with straight then how can someone trust you. You kept confusing me with Strangelove in your previous debate over PM and I hade to keep pointing out to you that I never said it but Strangelove did.
Another strawman? That's a completely different argument. Stop trying to avoid this debate!
You refer to the previous debate like it holds relevancy. I wish it did. Or is that YOU who wishes it did?
With this issue I posted one, and only one but you used past experience to assume that I was debating with you, again assuming something that is false. A joke can have a point which this one did you just didn't like it. So now you want to argue about the nature of a joke.
I never said you debated with me. You're going to try to put words in my mouth? I've seen six year olds pull off better rhetorical tricks than you.
The point is: You made a post with a ridiculously false comparison that looked nothing parallel to a joke. I pointed out the fallacy and moved on. You tried to dismiss it as a joke.
You have not yet told me why it's a joke nor have you ATTEMPTED to prove it as one. You've taken the debate off it's tracks to avoid this shameful excuse.
What was the point of your joke? Nothing indicated it was a joke. A cover up for your own lack of intelligence and awareness, it seems.
Point:
1. It was posted as a joke.
2. It was posted to show how stupid your statement was.
3. Nuff said.*insert Seraphim XIII ramblings on how I'm illogical, stupid, immature and that I'm using Strawman Fallacy* [/B]
1. I don't think so.
2. Really? Didn't I tell you in a post after that how ridiculously false your post was? More bullshit from Pittman, nonetheless.
3. Nah.
Ramblings? You do all the work for me, effectively making it somewhat a breeze. Danke, Pittman. 🙂
Originally posted by Seraphim XIIIMy class is actually more concerned with proving statements and calculating truth values than the fundamentals of logic. So I apologize if my knowledge of 'logical fallacies is not as advanced as you'd like.
I'm going to carefully walk you through this one, because you seem to not know what a Straw man fallacy is, which I find ironic considering you take Logic classes. Heh.
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.From this standpoint, it seems a lot like arguments I've had with you. There have been at least a couple where I had the thought "WTF? I never said that!"
To commit a Straw man fallacy, you must effectively set up something irrelevant and misleading to attack, correct?In it's basest form, yes. The strawman logical fallacy is basically putting words in your opponent's mouth.
That's a lie. Bring up one instance where I have walked away from a discussion.Your first thread. You, me, and Puzzle were discussing the motto of Las Vegas, in which you were categorically wrong. And Puzzle lives there for Christ's sake. I do not recall you apologizing or admitting wrongdoing. You just disappeared.
Yeah, I admitted that I was wrong in my grammatical error. Hahaha, and then proceeded to call you out on your blunt hypocrisy. I had to, I could not resist.You still have not explained how "Read my edit, I clear it up a little" is grammatically incorrect. And since your mastery of the English language is fairly limited, I doubt you even know what you're talking about.
I've done it more times than once, I can assure you. Besides, someone has to admit they're wrong around here.I admit I'm wrong every time that I genuinely realize it.
I wish it worked that way. He's dancing around the point. Life doesn't work that way where "Oh, well, I believe you because you said so!"I'll repeat. The fact that you did not understand it was a joke does not change the fact that it was indeed a joke. I know Casey fairly well on these forums. He's a playful son of a gun. So therefore, I knew it was a joke. The fact that you did not is again, no one's fault but yoursShow me ANYTHING in his posts that even places it parallel with a joke. He requires proof to back up his claim. He has none.
I'm not a zealot. It involves someone fanatical and committed. I find this quite easy and it's not something I do primarily.