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Originally posted by Donkey Punch
Im using calculations based on photons abosrbed all over our earth. Are you suggesting the D.C. universe has a sun that is Billions of times more powerful than our own.

i once read a thread where demigawd and.......whirly were arguing about physics which went on for pages...

meh...

anyway, welcome new member...

i realize you're not trying to hide anything, but do you have to use the same sig everytime, new member?

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
Photons are 'RAW' energy. You cannot break them down like you can with food and mass. 🙂

All energy is simply a concept, like all science, that is correct until proven otherwise. You can't assume that his body doesn't know how to break down what we think is raw energy and create 'actual' raw energy.

Originally posted by Validus
Have you read The Authority #2? They crashed into the real world (as real as it gets for a comic I suppose) and remarked how this universe has such a low level of energy and because of that, even low level superhumans cause the laws of nature to go horribly wrong until something cataclysmic occurs.

I have read it (Really rubbish series so far), but i was under the assumption that Apollo's ability to absorb radiation acted as catalyst for some form of nuclear reaction. Well this is what was suggested by Captain Atom any way. 🙂

Originally posted by Nataku8188
All energy is simply a concept, like all science, that is correct until proven otherwise. You can't assume that his body doesn't know how to break down what we think is raw energy and create 'actual' raw energy.

I really have no idea what you are getting at. I klnow that the energy that makes up particles in E = mc 2 are photons at high energy wave lengths. Photons and radiation don't have any mass, they are fundamental energy, and not made up of energetic components like matter is. I hope that may have helped. 🙂

I heard some where that he is able to absorb photons from parallel universes. I.e. the many world theory (Similar to Hyper time) predicts the notion of two universes existing for every two way decision. Therefore every time a particle could have gone one way or the other its creates an entire new universe, letting it go both ways. If he could some how psionically absorb the radiation from these other universes he could literally absorb energy from Billions of stars simultaneously ? I think it was mentioned somewhere during the Byrne era, can anyone vouch for this ? 🙂

Hello. dur

Originally posted by Badabing
Hello. dur

What does that mean ? 🙂

Maybe this helps some people, explain what i was talking about .... (tyaken from another forum)

[i]It’s a sort of article of faith among Superman fans these days that Superman’s power is absorbed from the Sun – that is, that his body absorbs the energy from sunlight and stores said energy for use at a later time, as a “living solar battery”, as John Byrne put it. If I recall correctly, he was the first writer to describe Supes’ powers this way, with previous references not being as specific – that is, the powers were explained as being caused by exposure to yellow sun radiation, without reference to the exact nature of the effect. It was all rather vague.

I admire anybody who tries to come up with a plausible-sounding explanation for comic-book superpowers; I do it all the time myself. But being the physics nerd that I am, I decided to do a back-of-the-envelope analysis of this idea.

It doesn’t work.

The short answer is that Superman expends energy at a far higher rate than he could possibly absorb it. But let’s run some numbers.

The flux of solar radiation at Earth’s orbit is roughly 1,400 watts per square meter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_constant). Now, any object absorbs radiation through its surface area. The surface area of the human body is roughly 2 square meters (http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/IgorFridman.shtml). Note that I took the highest of the figures listed for surface area, and rounded the energy flux from the Sun up. Since this is a rough calculation, estimates and assumptions are unavoidable. But in the spirit of generosity, I will always select those assumptions on the side of results which are better for this theory. Also, as far as I can remember, I will point out when I’m doing so.

So, since Kal-El’s surface area is 2 meters square, let’s say he absorbs solar energy at a rate of 2,800 W/m^2. Note that I have assigned an efficiency of 100% to this process, and that I have ignored the fact that only one side of his body can face the Sun at a time, and I’ve also ignored night, being indoors, cloudy days, energy scattered from the atmosphere before it ever reaches Superman, etc…all of which would reduce the average rate of absorption.

Next, let’s figure out how much energy would be required for Superman to accelerate to Mach 25 (roughly 8250 meters per second at sea level. This is roughly orbital speed) once. Using figures from Superman: The Movie, Superman weighs 225 pounds. Converted to mass (and metric…sorry, fellow Americans, metric really is better), this comes out to roughly 100 kilograms. I have actually rounded slightly down in this case, but 100 is a nice round number and it makes no significant difference, anyway. Using the old formula for kinetic energy, KE = ½ m*v^2, we get:

KE = 3.4 billion joules (I rounded down)

Note that I have ignored air resistance. Including it would make the result much higher.

Now, how long would it take Superman to absorb enough solar energy to accomplish this feat? Well, let’s do it:

3,400,000,000 J / 2800 W = 1.2 million seconds (rounding down)

This is just under two weeks. If Superman has to go faster, the problem gets even worse…as the square of the velocity, in fact. So if Superman has to go twice as fast, it takes 4 times as much energy, etc.

Take an example from SR: the lifting of New Krypton. Assuming that NK has the same density as the rocks and soil that it’s made from (roughly 3000 kilograms per cubic meter near Earth’s surface) and also assuming that NK has the same volume as a sphere with a radius of 10 km (I like numbers that make the math easy…can you tell?), and also that Superman accelerated NK to sufficient speed that it would completely escape Earth’s gravity (roughly 25,000 MPH), we get a total energy of:

KE = 2.6 x 10^20 joules (26 followed by 19 zeroes, for those of you not familiar with scientific notation)[/B]

I like the Pre Crisis idea that although his powers came from being under a yellow sun, it was never explained how this gave him his powers. It was Bryne who apparently created the notion of Superman absorbing yellow Sunlight to give him powers. 🙂

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
I really have no idea what you are getting at. I klnow that the energy that makes up particles in E = mc 2 are photons at high energy wave lengths. Photons and radiation don't have any mass, they are fundamental energy, and not made up of energetic components like matter is. I hope that may have helped. 🙂

Everything in science is just a theory until proven otherwise. We can only break things down so far (Cellular, atomic levels, etc.) with our current technology, and beyond that who knows? Next thing you know we might find out that what we thought was raw energy was still a more complex form of something else.

You give a scientist a 10x microscope and he'll tell you the smallest thing he can discern is the building block of everything else. Give him a 100x microscope and now he can see even smaller things, so now what was once the buildling block is now made up of even more things. The same principles apply here.

Everything discovered in science relies on technology to prove it, as technology improves we gain a better understanding of science. As far as this is concerned, it's a comic, so it has unknowns that the writer couldn't possibly describe or care about, because all that matters is the end result. They can explain it to a certain depth, but after that, there's no point, simply because you can keep going deeper and deeper.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Everything in science is just a theory until proven otherwise.

No.

Everything in science is a postulation until it has enough proof to become a theory.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Everything in science is just a theory until proven otherwise. We can only break things down so far (Cellular, atomic levels, etc.) with our current technology, and beyond that who knows? Next thing you know we might find out that what we thought was raw energy was still a more complex form of something else.

You give a scientist a 10x microscope and he'll tell you the smallest thing he can discern is the building block of everything else. Give him a 100x microscope and now he can see even smaller things, so now what was once the buildling block is now made up of even more things. The same principles apply here.

Everything discovered in science relies on technology to prove it, as technology improves we gain a better understanding of science. As far as this is concerned, it's a comic, so it has unknowns that the writer couldn't possibly describe or care about, because all that matters is the end result. They can explain it to a certain depth, but after that, there's no point, simply because you can keep going deeper and deeper.

Fair enough ! There would have to be ALOT of 'Pure' energ contained within photons though ! 😄

What do you think about the Pre Crisis concept that didn't suggest he was a living Solar battery, but the Suns radiation acted as a catalyst for something else ? 😄 I wonder what it maybe a catalyst for ? 🙂

HI Yahman hi2

Originally posted by Priest
HI Yahman hi2

😕

Who the hell is Yahman ?

Originally posted by Donkey Punch
What does that mean ? 🙂

Originally posted by Badabing
Hello? It's a standard greeting in the English language. dur is just my favorite smiley. dur

Cool. 😄

The real answer is: He's effin' Superman. His writers were his fanboys when they were kids. He does what ever the crap he needs to do through pure physical strength. Like when he contained a tiny black hole in his hands. Somehow his hand meat blocked the gravity, because he's Superman. How does that even work? He's Superman. He makes physics job to him.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The real answer is: He's effin' Superman. His writers were his fanboys when they were kids. He does what ever the crap he needs to do through pure physical strength. Like when he contained a tiny black hole in his hands. Somehow his hand meat blocked the gravity, because he's Superman. How does that even work? He's Superman. He makes physics job to him.

I know, i get this response in a lot of forums. 🙁 But i hate the idea that his powers have pseudo explained with science, but the science is infact wrong. If you know what i mean. I like youre sig, very funny. 🙂

You will address Lord Swanky as 'His Lordship', or, 'Swanky, the Giant Jewel Encrusted Golden God' mortal!

Originally posted by Nataku8188
You will address Lord Swanky as 'His Lordship', or, 'Swanky, the Giant Jewel Encrusted Golden God' mortal!

🙂