3 New Pictures

it's clearly in the middle of an intense battle, and they look like they've met from opposite sides of the fight.

So, either Will is working for the EITC at this point, or he's arrived with unexpected help for the pirates, or they are both just overwhelmed to see one another alive in the midst of the madness.

plus, because it's film 3, things should be coming full circle. the rain is probably owing to Calypso's fury... and may reverse the effect of the previous rainstorm that ruined the wedding.... or may complete that arc. no way to tell.

i would make my best guess that Elizabeth is trying to talk him out of stabbing the heart or expressing her heartbreak at what he is about to do. the way they are holding arms either means they are still in love, or elizabeth is trying to hold him back from doing something. (or vice versa).

Originally posted by Mistypirate
I don't think that pic has any romantic meaning to it. It could mean a lot of things. Maybe Will is helping Liz get up. Or maybe she is trying to prevent him from doing something stupid... Its raining so I don't think anything good is going to come out of that scene.
And another interesting thing, isn't that the same mast Liz chained Jack? Could that mast symbolize a betrayal? Liz betrayed Jack by chaining him to the mast.

OOOO! Now that's an interesting thought. You're right, I think that picture is on the Black Pearl. I'd say it's more of a life changing moment than a symbol of betral. And if you think about a mast, it is essentially what powers a ship because it carries the sails, which in turns allows a ship to change course. I agree that due to the lightening and the seriousness of the expressions that there is an air of forbodding to the picture.

It looks as though they've crossed paths on the ship and that they're both expecting that whatever comes next that they may not survive, so Liz has grabbed on to Will's arm to either apologize, or to express some sort of regret.

Will: (striding towards Elizabeth) Marry me, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth: Will, I...

Will: I'm going to stab the heart. It's the only way to end this madness. Promise me you won't make me leave this world without giving you a proper goodbye, my true love...

anybody else have other scenarios to throw around?? hehe.

How about this one..

What if some one else has possession of the heart, is about to stab it and end with the madness? I don't think Will has possession of the heart in that scene. I don't think he ever does.

Well, he doesn't have posession of the heart, but we do know that at some point he does stab the heart because he becomes Captain. Maybe he's doing it on someone else's behalf. Maybe for Jack?

but we do know that at some point he does stab the heart because he becomes Captain. Maybe he's doing it on someone else's behalf. Maybe for Jack?

What do you mean? That Jack is going to stab the heart on Will's behalf? Or that Elizabeth is actually Davvy Jones in disguise? Or that the heart is going to stab itself to put us all out of our misery?

Originally posted by savvysparrow
What do you mean? That Jack is going to stab the heart on Will's behalf? Or that Elizabeth is actually Davvy Jones in disguise? Or that the heart is going to stab itself to put us all out of our misery?

LMAO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh my gracious. Elizabeth is actually Davy Jones in disguise!!!

Or that Elizabeth is actually Davvy Jones in disguise

😆 I really liked this one.

What I meant was what if Jack do it on Will's behalf.

It's possible. That's not beyond the reach of Jack's character. But the packaging on the toys and stuff say that it's Will who becomes Captain of the Dutchman. Maybe they do a switcheroo at the end or something. Or maybe the toys are liars!

I didn't say that Will doesn't become COFD, HE DOES. But it is the "how" that seems to have everyone confuse.

Actually, with what I've been told, the picture suddenly makes a whole lot more sense. It seems to be a very grim foreshadowing. Does anyone know whether or not Elizabeth and Will do in fact get married? I'm fairly certain it's a given, but I was wondering if y'all had something more concrete.

Also, there was a picture floating around with Elizabeth speaking to Bootstrap Bill. Any interpretations on what they could be talking about?

yes, i am fairly certain they get married. the context was that Will was going to stab the heart and didn't want to leave the world without marrying her.

but that sounds really suspect to me, because thats just plain selfish of Will to marry her if he knows he is not going to get to see her but once every 10 years. unless it's just her idea.

But if she decides she really loves Will, I can see her taking every 10 years as opposed to nothing at all. I think she can do the long-distance thing if that's really what she wants.

yeah, but would Will take that... knowing that Jack Sparrow will get to spend loads of time with her if he wants in between... knowing that Elizabeth has succumbed to Jack before...?

Elizabeth is a strong-willed character, so if anything, she can endure a long wait. I have a hard time imagining Elizabeth blindly accepting a proposal from Will in that fashion. If she didn't know his fate that would be one thing.

Originally posted by katelovespirate
yeah, but would Will take that... knowing that Jack Sparrow will get to spend loads of time with her if he wants in between... knowing that Elizabeth has succumbed to Jack before...?

AH, but did she? Maybe she was close, but as I think back to COTBP I'm beginning to suspect that perhaps not everything is as it seems.
I was remembering the other day since I have nothing else better to do with my time than think of Pirates, about a quote that one of the writers mentioned. He said something to the affect of comparing Elizabeth's behavior in the movies, and asking what her essential nature is. She bartered herself to Norrington, convinced him to save Will and many of his men perished as a result etc, etc.

So my thought was to compare that to her choice to kiss Jack. To play devil's advocate, her decision to sacrifice him to the Kracken was similar in nature to her choice to send Norrington in that the motivation behind it was to save Will. It may have started like that anyway. Who knows if that motivation will remain consistent in AWE.
I'm more of a mind that Elizabeth may have been aware of Jack's attraction and used it against him, in the same way that she used his love of Rum.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping ship! I'm just saying that maybe Elizabeth's motivations were in this instance, purer than what we give her credit for.
I'm also thinking of the other quote where the writers said that if DMC had been the only sequel to Pirates that they would have left the ending exactly as it was. Ok ladies--Discuss.

it looks like liz grabbed will's arm.. i didnt all that stuff so i dunno if someone else said it. but yeah she looks like she grabbed his arm.. or either he did help her up...

That's the thing...Liz did do it to save everyone else. She would never have had left Jack there otherwise. I think if she didn't plan on doing that and he told he was going to stay on the ship, she would have seduced him into the longboat to save him. But she did do it for a noble cause.
Thing is, she didn't know it would hurt that much doing that to him and she does lean in for another kiss. She's essentially made Jack fall in love with her and now it's up to her on what she's going to do.

savvy, in response to what you said, here's my thoughts.

1. i still say the kiss was mainly about Liz's lust/draw to adventure.... BUT

I think something we underestimate a lot of time is the value Elizabeth sees in her relationship to Will. I know we all thought they got together rather easily and it worked out too well to be a really good, cinematic relationship, but if you think about it in terms of true people, finally getting together with Will was probably the fulfillment of a crush that may have lasted like 8 years for Elizabeth--- so for eight years, Elizabeth is writing "mrs. elizabeth turner" on her notebooks and looking forward to their brief meetings. she is devastated after every meeting, wondering why Will is so reserved and cold toward her, and wishing he would fall in love with her and let her know that. of course, going along with that, she is yearning for adventure and fun in her life. but she's been raised with good morals and a clear picture of how a man is supposed to treat a lady. (ultimately, Will matches up with that. he's the romantic knight in shining armor who may be goofy but will go to the ends of the earth for her, and she knows it). but Will won't ever be aggressive or initiate with her, and she finally gives up on him and accepts the commodore-- because she thinks Will will never admit his love for her. so when Will finally comes out and says he loves her at the end of film 1, her whole world is suddenly put back together. all her dreams have come true. sure, no relationship is perfect, but he's everything she's ever wanted, and vice versa.

so for her to actually go to the length to flirt with and be attracted to Jack... that's something huge. it's not like she's cheating (or thinking about cheating) on some nice guy she doesnt like that much. She's tempting herself against everything she's ever wanted in Will.

I think we under-estimate how much Will means to Elizabeth sometimes... and therefore, devalue what her interaction with Jack shows.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
That's the thing...Liz did do it to save everyone else. She would never have had left Jack there otherwise. I think if she didn't plan on doing that and he told he was going to stay on the ship, she would have seduced him into the longboat to save him. But she did do it for a noble cause.
Thing is, she didn't know it would hurt that much doing that to him and she does lean in for another kiss. She's essentially made Jack fall in love with her and now it's up to her on what she's going to do.

Which is the mind boggling portion of the film in a way! The writers said that the triangle was resolved by the end of DMC, which suggests to me that her choice wasn't necessarily the kiss, but the events that followed after it. So, for instance, the fact that she didn't tell Will, no matter her motivations is important. That was a conscious decision on her part, and from what we've read, that comes back to bite her in AWE.
Her decision not to leave Jack to the depths but to go and rescue him is important. Granted, Elizabeth has a conscience, and Jack is her friend, so it's not in her nature I would think, to leave a somewhat innocent man to his death if she had the chance to reverse her decision.