Originally posted by lando005
I've explained why i feel you are wrong in your judgement i've been explaining it and i'm quite tired of doing so, there have even been other people explaining the same thing to you but i believe all the posts on this matter speak for it's self
Nope everyone else has dogged the subject. Your the only one who's decided to disregard Odin's feats and use a single instance in his history to gauge his power.
Originally posted by Larcenythere's atleast three pages of people who were saying the exact same thing as i was about the thanos fights so who dogged the subject
Nope everyone else has dogged the subject. Your the only one who's decided to disregard Odin's feats and use a single instance in his history to gauge his power.
Originally posted by Larceny
Name them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Depowered Tyrant takes Odin so this is overkill.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant only had a few appearances but the guy lost to no one and took on Thanos while Odin did as well. Tyrant did better against Thanos and also was defeating Galactus.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus was bleeding and was screaming. Tyrant had him on the ropes and countered both of Galactus's attacks.Tyrant made Thanos leave the battle in a much much shorter time. Thanos took Odins shit for quite a few more pages and looked better of and didnt leave. Meaning Thanos isnt stupid and left when he felt his life was in danger while in the Odin fight he still had a lot of fight left in him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos wouldnt let Odin kill him but sustained himself longer against Odins attacks while Tyrant beat on him less and he had to book.Thanos also charged right through Odin's attacks and grabbed gungir. I mean even though Odin looked visibly fine Thanos was getting licks in as well.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I go with Tyrant
Originally posted by Hazsekswthurmom
You know what never mind, this is fp Tyrant. He can take about 8/10.
Originally posted by batdude123
Don't be disingenuous.It wasn't the ACTUAL Infinity we know of as Eternity/Oblivion/Death's equal that Odin battled.
Originally posted by Larceny
It was never confirmed at all. Only assumed.Also, people make a big deal about the Galactus/Tyrant fight when Galactus power level at the time was ambiguous. So Tyrant is a character that at best is only assumed to have destroyed a galaxy.
Confirmed twice You may know alot about Odin but you know nothing about Tyrant.
And we also know that Galactus in that battle was fed.
We also know that when Tyrant was depowered Galactus avoided a fight with him because it would take a entire Galaxy apart and that was depowered Tyrant.
Originally posted by Larceny
Um, but you know what a dead tree is. You don't know what a dead galaxy is. We can both make assumptions, but at the end of the dead, we don't know what a dead galaxy is.
Yet we know that a dead thing is easier to destroy then a living item.
The tearing of the muti-verse wasn't caused as a side effect of he destruction of galaxies, but a side effect of the battle, and again, the galaxies confirmed destroyed by Strange were never described as dead. Also, galaxies were assumed destroyed in the Tyrant/Galactus fight, it was never actually confirmed.[/B]
No but they where confirmed to be death by the Narrator and since the writer was stan lee then narrator > Strange because Stan Lee knows the powerlevel of his Characters.
Nope, all Strange mentioned was that the battle was tearing at he fabric of the multi-verse, and that "untold galaxies"(se how you don't see dead) were imperil. Untold being many.[/B]
And you are forgetting that "Could" never mention that any Galaxies was actually destroyed by them, but the narrator later confirms this.
Oh, I read it, but I understand one's interpretation of the comic is not law. Hence is the reason I stick to the narration, and try to refrain from making my own assumptions.[/B]
I do that to, But I tend to not hammer a person with proof that has already been shown once and that I agreed with.
As a cosmic character fan I'd assumed you knew this. One man's reality is not my own. BTW, Odin was weak in that instance.[/B]
Excuse me but which question are you answearing here???
Please stop making your own assumptions. At one instance it was confirmed that the battle was tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse, and endangering untold galaxies and in another confirmed that long dead galaxies were destroyed. Two different attacks, two different instances, two different sets of galaxies.[/B]
Stop making false conclusion that would be a hell of a lot nicer and please clean before you own door before you try and clean before others. First Stranger say that a battle is tearing as the fabric that makes up the multiverse but the fabric is the same in the entire Multiverse, Its like tearing at a corner of a carpet I'm tearing at the fabric that makes up the carpic but I isn't tearing at the entire Carpet. Big Difference. 2. Strange say that untold galaxies COULD be in danger he never say that they are destroyed in any way, later we have the actual feat Seth and Odins energy output destroying Dead Galaxies and Igniting suns. Again Narrator (stan Lee which knows what his characters can do) > Doctor Strange.
So you agree?[/B]
With what?
Yes I do. None were confirmed destroyed in the Galactus/Tyrant fight. However untold galaxies were destroyed in the Odin/Seth fight.[/B]
No it was never confirmed that untold "living Galaxies" was destroyed. It was confirmed by the narrator that death was destroyed. and it was confirmed by Thanos on two eccasions that Galactus and Tyrant destroyed Galaxies.
Infinity wasn't a part of Infinity, but Odin. He was supposedly taping into Infinity's power, but that that has to do with it being defeated by Odin is beyond me. [/B]
What is difficuelt in understanding that it was retconned into the infinity being a the aspect infinity.
Here we go with more twisting. Where in my post did I saw that Infinity only consumed a solar system? You must not have read these comics either? [/B]
I will like to quote you.
Take note. A being that "gathered planets into his monstrous maw, as a pond doth gather rain", "seizing worlds as if they were toys", "to whom a planet meant little more than a pebble", was easily defeated within a single page by Odin, and all that was destroyed remade.[/B]
Where in that do you mention anything about a galaxy I have read it many times and how you can make planets into galaxies in fascinating. Now that is twisting. That was the part I responded to.. I would like you to tell me where the twisting is a Solar System buster from you explanation here is generous.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Confirmed twice You may know alot about Odin but you know nothing about Tyrant.And we also know that Galactus in that battle was fed.
We also know that when Tyrant was depowered Galactus avoided a fight with him because it would take a entire Galaxy apart and that was depowered Tyrant.
There isn't much to know about Tyrant, but as far as the battle go's in was never confirmed that galaxies were destroyed. Unless you have some proof to back your stance, I'm standing by my stance that tyrant isn't even a confirmed galaxy buster.
His power level was ambiguous. We don't know hoe powerful he was during the encounter. However we do know he defeated Tyrant within 4 pages.
So what?
Originally posted by Larceny
I'm getting somewhere. I've learned just from this page that you know little about Odin and have debating the entire time depending upon forum talk. It's also becoming increasingly clear that Tyrants greatly overrated, and that they galaxies his battle with Galactus supposedly destroyed were actually never confirmed. Don't run now, I think it's your time to do some defending and debating. 🙂
I have read his Respect thread and I wasn't impressed.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet we know that a dead thing is easier to destroy then a living item.No but they where confirmed to be death by the Narrator and since the writer was stan lee then narrator > Strange because Stan Lee knows the powerlevel of his Characters.
And you are forgetting that "Could" never mention that any Galaxies was actually destroyed by them, but the narrator later confirms this.
I do that to, But I tend to not hammer a person with proof that has already been shown once and that I agreed with.
Excuse me but which question are you answearing here???
Stop making false conclusion that would be a hell of a lot nicer and please clean before you own door before you try and clean before others. First Stranger say that a battle is tearing as the fabric that makes up the multiverse but the fabric is the same in the entire Multiverse, Its like tearing at a corner of a carpet I'm tearing at the fabric that makes up the carpic but I isn't tearing at the entire Carpet. Big Difference. 2. Strange say that untold galaxies COULD be in danger he never say that they are destroyed in any way, later we have the actual feat Seth and Odins energy output destroying Dead Galaxies and Igniting suns. Again Narrator (stan Lee which knows what his characters can do) > Doctor Strange.
With what?
No it was never confirmed that untold "living Galaxies" was destroyed. It was confirmed by the narrator that death was destroyed. and it was confirmed by Thanos on two eccasions that Galactus and Tyrant destroyed Galaxies.
What is difficuelt in understanding that it was retconned into the infinity being a the aspect infinity.
I will like to quote you.
Where in that do you mention anything about a galaxy I have read it many times and how you can make planets into galaxies in fascinating. Now that is twisting. That was the part I responded to.. I would like you to tell me where the twisting is a Solar System buster from you explanation here is generous.
You don't know what a dead galaxy is, period. For all intents and purposes a dead galaxy could be a galaxy without living organisms, which wouldn't make it any easier to destroy.
What don't you get about it being two different instances in which galaxies were destroyed? Are yo really that dense or are you intentionally being difficult?
Scans please. 🙂
You have no proof, nor did he. Only assumptions.
"Alternate galaxies are now alternate realities"
You really don't know what your talking about in regards to this fight, and using Mr. Masters interpretations of what tearing of the multi-verse is isn't helping you out.
At one instance the battle was tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse and confirmed by Strange to be imperiling untold galaxies. In another instance with an entirely different attack it was described as destroying long dead galaxies and reigniting suns. TWO DIFFERENT INSTANCES.
Proof.
It would really help if you had any knowledge of the comic. Infinity is the dark side of Odin. It was extracted from Odin's mind by Hela, and set to consuming the universe. He wasn't an aspect of Infinity. Go read the comic.
😐
What the hell are you talking about? Just go read the comic.
Originally posted by Larceny
There isn't much to know about Tyrant, but as far as the battle go's in was never confirmed that galaxies were destroyed. Unless you have some proof to back your stance, I'm standing by my stance that tyrant isn't even a confirmed galaxy buster.His power level was ambiguous. We don't know hoe powerful he was during the encounter. However we do know he defeated Tyrant within 4 pages.
So what?
So two times thanos acting as narrator isn't enough but stranger making a assesment 👆
Galactus feasted on one world prior to the encounter with Tyrant depowered now what does that tell us I wonder...
It tells us that Depowered Tyrant that is beneath Full powered Tyrant (logical right) in a battle with Galactus will destroy a entire Galaxy. You claim that Full Powered Tyrant and Galactus in there fight didn't destroy galaxies.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So two times thanos acting as narrator isn't enough but stranger making a assesment 👆Galactus feasted on one world prior to the encounter with Tyrant depowered now what does that tell us I wonder...
It tells us that Depowered Tyrant that is beneath Full powered Tyrant (logical right) in a battle with Galactus will destroy a entire Galaxy. You claim that Full Powered Tyrant and Galactus in there fight didn't destroy galaxies.
Proof is all you need. I've provided it, it's time for you to do the same.
That his power was ambiguous when he fought Tyrant and depowered him. 😐
I claimed that it was never confirmed..... which it wasn't. At least not during the battle.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually FP Tyrant was capable of hanging with Galactus something Odin couldn't do against Doom with the power of a Fed Galactus...
Odin was cheap shotted. He got up traded blows for a page and then was bested. Just as he would be against Galactus.
Tyrant was defeated, and depowered within 4 pages.
Originally posted by Larceny
You don't know what a dead galaxy is, period. For all intents and purposes a dead galaxy could be a galaxy without living organisms, which wouldn't make it any easier to destroy.
According to you. Again a Death Galaxy wouldn't be brought up unless it had a meaning.
What don't you get about it being two different instances in which galaxies were destroyed? Are yo really that dense or are you intentionally being difficult?[/B]
What is that you are not getting about Doctor Strange saying that entire Galaxies COULD be in danger but the actual casualties was death Galaxies read the damm scan if you have to.
Scans please. 🙂 [/B]
Of what 🙂
You have no proof, nor did he. Only assumptions.[/B]
Ohh just like you...
"Alternate galaxies are now alternate realities"[/B]
Where did you get this from???
You really don't know what your talking about in regards to this fight, and using Mr. Masters interpretations of what tearing of the multi-verse is isn't helping you out.[/B]
Excuse me but that is my own interpretation as well, and my assumption on what happend isn't more right ore wrong then your own.
At one instance the battle was tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse and confirmed by Strange to be imperiling untold galaxies. In another instance with an entirely different attack it was described as destroying long dead galaxies and reigniting suns. TWO DIFFERENT INSTANCES.[/B]
So they just stopped for a picknick and then continued fighting 🤨 the battle rage without end between them. And again it COULD imperiel gaalxies read the scan
http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=odinsethuniverse8gm.jpg
Proof.[/B]
Of what 🙂
It would really help if you had any knowledge of the comic. Infinity is the dark side of Odin. It was extracted from Odin's mind by Hela, and set to consuming the universe. He wasn't an aspect of Infinity. Go read the comic.[/B]
Thor #184-188: Infinity's force perceived by Odin and inadvertently tapped, creating an astronomical manifestation extinguishing stars in Asgard dimension; Odin went to World Beyond to investigate it, became mentally unhinged while contemplating power, combined mystical might of Asgard directed by Thor prevented a permanent merging with Odin-like Infinity-manifestation
Long ago the Asgardian all-father Odin added a tiny sliver of Infinity's powers to his own powers, which were later stolen and corrupted by the Asgardian death-goddess Hela. Christened Infinity, the sliver threatened to destroy the universe until stopped by Thor.
From the Handbook from Marvel will this shut you up???
What the hell are you talking about? Just go read the comic. [/B]
I quoted what you said and in that which I quoted you didn't raise Infinity (evil side of Odin) to more then a Solar System buster maybe you should read you own reply again.
Take note. A being that "gathered planets into his monstrous maw, as a pond doth gather rain", "seizing worlds as if they were toys", "to whom a planet meant little more than a pebble", was easily defeated within a single page by Odin, and all that was destroyed remade.[/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by Larceny
Odin was cheap shotted. He got up traded blows for a page and then was bested. Just as he would be against Galactus.Tyrant was defeated, and depowered within 4 pages.
Cheap Shotted...
the entire "battle".
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomasgardians9km.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomodin17yr.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doomodin26rz.jpg
Impressive he hang with Doom until Doom gets tired of Odin.
I for some funny reason see the same happening to Odin against Tyrant.
Fore Pages that was shown he battle itself could easily have had a longer timespan.
Originally posted by Larceny
I meant Surfer. Odin was able to one shot Surfer while Tyrant had the same opportunity but allowed him to last. Thus Odin is more powerful.We can also use Surfer, whom it took Tyrant a harder time to beat.
Odin vs. Surfer and Thanos. SS is fighting to get Odin to listen to reason.
Surfer gets in two shots before being one-shotted by Odin. So, Odin retaliates against Surfer after two shots from SS.
De-powered Tyrant vs. Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, and Ganymede. SS is fighting to avenge the "death" of Jack of Hearts, and to stop Tyrant's rampage of conquest.
Sufer gets in three, maybe four shots, and a punch, before being slapped and then one-shotted by Tyrant. So, Tyrant retaliates against Surfer after 3 (or 4) shots from SS.
continued...
Note that Stormbreaker, blessed by Odin's magic and equal to Mjolnir, has no effect whatsoever on Tyrant. That means Asgardian magic, up to some level, has zero effect on Tyrant.
You kill a fly with one swat. I do other chores while another fly buzzes around...two minutes later I kill it with one swat. Since you killed the fly immediately, and I killed it two minutes later...that makes you stronger? No.
Tyrant "allowed surfer to last" because he was fighting against 3 other opponents, for a total of four. Odin fought against Thanos and Surfer. So you can't use that argument at all. In fact, it works against you.
