Putting it all together...spoilers

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
This might slightly go out of subject on what you are talking about, savvysparrow. But I can't stop but thinking when Jack is fighting with Davy with the chest in his hands...I think it means something..

Ok, there are a ton of rumors that surround this scene. So we can try and work something out. I would imagine that this is probably the set piece, i.e. the heart of the film. This is where the major events collide.

So, the rumors go something like this. First the suspicion has been that it is not Will's story that is meant to parallel Davy Jones' but Jack's. His interest is in getting the heart. There are two different versions as to why. The first is that he's so depressed over his lack of success with Elizabeth that he decides that immortality is the most important thing in his life.

The second version is that he tries to get the heart to sacrifice himself to atone for his betrayals earlier in the film. I'm leaning more toward this one, and I'll tell you why later Chiki.

This is where the rumors start to collide, or bump heads. In one version, Jack is wounded by Davy Jones and falls from the mast. This might explain the shot where we see Elizabeth in the water, and she appears to be screaming Jack.

In the other, Jack manages to retrieve the heart and uses it for a noble purpose.

Originally posted by bina
Yeah. He does care. They HAVE to end up together. He has been through enough.

It's possible, but Will has been through quite a lot too. Keep that in mind. There are still two sides to every story. He's loved Elizabeth for eight years, tried to tell her, but kept away from her due to the infiriority of his station. He goes through hell to rescue her, finally gains her admiration, only to be denied their wedding because of his noble actions of rescuing Jack. Then, to make things worst, it appears that he has lost his only love to a man who has betrayed him.

True, but Jack has no one. Will can still have his father. Jack is lonely.

But its not about a 'couples' thing. Is about finding your soulmate. If Jack showed that he is happy just to be surrounded by strumpets and rum, then we will leave him like that.

But Jack isn't happy..he found his soulmate: Liz. And the same thing with Liz.

Originally posted by bina
True, but Jack has no one. Will can still have his father. Jack is lonely.

Perhaps, but in allowing himself to reveal the good portion of himself, he may gain something much more rewarding to heal his loneliness. And, who says that Jack is necessarily lonely?

Hehe, stay focused ladies. I'm not trying to argue on purpose, merely playing devil's advocate. We can't just assume things, no matter how much we may want them.

Let's stay on task and as much away from the J/E, W/E discussion as possible.

True. But Orlando even said that Will will have a darker side. And he does have a touch of destiny about him. So maybe he is meant to sail the seas on the FD. And maybe Liz will end up wit someone else.

Will's darker side isn't necessarily an evil one. It merely means that he learns how to play the pirate game. So he ends up setting up his friends, and his enemies to betrayal, the same way that Jack does.

His touch of destiny does involve becoming the Captain of the Dutchman, but not in the way you think it does.

i dont think Jack is lonely, and I don't know about Jack and Liz being "soulmates".... I think they are incredibly well suited, they are alike, they long for adventure and take great pleasure in being cleverer than the rest of the world. it would take only a nudge (a father dying, a loved one's betrayal) to send Elizabeth into the shadowy world of pirate morality where she no longer asserts that she has any higher morals than Jack.
at any rate, there is a connection there that i hesitate to call "soul mate" in the romantic kismet way... because it is the kind of friendship that may be deeper than all physical or romantic love, and may last longer, because at the end of the day they do trust each other, they can have an honest conversation.
A moment of true comfort and understanding can be far more powerful than a passionate kiss, in my mind.
I just don't want us to assume that for Sparrabeth to have a satisfying ending, they have to end in a romantic relationship. make sense?
and of course, according to "when harry met sally", no friends can last very long without sleeping with one another. 😉

and just to remind everyone, the task of Captaining the FD wasn't orginally a bad deal--- it was a helpful, honorable task of rescuing souls lost at sea. Davy Jones' bitterness is what turned it into the dark slave ship it later became.

Well said, Kate! Here, here.

Now, back to the trailer and rumor trail....

You're right Kate. Initially, Davy's job was meant to be more of a rescue operation. He was meant to lead drowning or dead sailors to the underworld. But, after he ripped out his heart, the idea became warped. So, with Will being as pure of spirit as he is, the role of the Dutchman will return to being as it was.

It also fits in nicely with his father's story, as his father was once one of those sailors in question.

Even if he does, Orlando says that he likes his more dark side. I mean did u see the pic. of him at the wheel. He looked evil. Will had his happy ending in the 1st movie, its not Jacks fault that Will sacrafised his freedom for him. He went to Jack not the other way around. The wedding getting got interupted for a reason, it was fate. So maybe its Jacks turn to have his happy ending.

there is a point, 1:01, when will has his hands tied to a pole behind his back. Were their any rumors about that?

At some point, it appears that Will is captured by Beckett, Jones and Norrington. I've no idea how that seems to happen.

Earlier in the film, he is meant to be the prisoner that Elizabeth, Barbossa and the crew trade with Sao Fen in order to trick him into giving the charts they need to reach World's End.

Originally posted by bina
Even if he does, Orlando says that he likes his more dark side. I mean did u see the pic. of him at the wheel. He looked evil. Will had his happy ending in the 1st movie, its not Jacks fault that Will sacrafised his freedom for him. He went to Jack not the other way around. The wedding getting got interupted for a reason, it was fate. So maybe its Jacks turn to have his happy ending.

Just trust me, Will's becoming the Captain of the Dutchman has nothing to do with his being or becoming evil.

it's Disney, so they will dole out happy endings to as many characters as possible, I reckon.

what ever happened to the story ending by Jack searching for the fountain of youth? is that story still floating around? that seems a bit strange... what, does he want to be able to hang out with an immortal Will/Liz FD captainage duo for eternity? lol.

Well, I still believe they found eachother as soulmates lol. I know kate, im extremely cheesy.

Jack's lonelyness is not of without friends, you know there is something missing in his life that got him vexed...And he knows his time is up.

but moving on with the trailer...

Im interested in the scene with Beckette and Davy. I believe they are in a ship. Davy can't be at land, yet...? But look at davy's expression..

or is the fountain of youth thing for Elizabeth, so that she can stay immortal with Will? I bet Jack would do that, damn that good man. lol.

Its not going to end like that. If Will ends up on the FD foreva I highly doubt that Liz would stay on the FD with him. She will probably end up on the Black Pearl with Sparrow.

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Well, I still believe they found eachother as soulmates lol. I know kate, im extremely cheesy.

Jack's lonelyness is not of without friends, you know there is something missing in his life that got him vexed...And he knows his time is up.

but moving on with the trailer...

Im interested in the scene with Beckette and Davy. I believe they are in a ship. Davy can't be at land, yet...? But look at davy's expression..

Do you have a picture of that? I can't recall the scene. There are some scenes with Beckett aboard the ship with Jones in the script I have.

Jones isn't happy about Beckett's plans or his being in control of the heart. He's being forced to do things he's not proud of and he reminds Norrington of what it is to be a man of honor.

oh, and on the subject of Will, I'd bet if he ends up captured by or working for Beckett at any point in the film, he will have a plan. He's learning from Jack... so he will turn it to whatever advantage will assure Elizabeth's safety and his father's. he's not going to get evil. he's just becoming a bit more resourceful. 😉