Putting it all together...spoilers

Ha, celebrating?

It's not over yet. Yes, some of the rumors are true, but we don't have all the facts.

0o0 i do.. yum.. but ill be having some other pasta.. might have to pass.. way to change the subject mina lol

anyways haha

i like that rumor. i think its sweet 😄

It's not a rumor! *shoves pasta in her mouth*

rumor turned into a fact!

do you have the book already?

Originally posted by Minie Mina
It's not a rumor! *shoves pasta in her mouth*

Ha, you might as well stop torturing them Mina and spill the beans.

When I was told the spoiler in question a few weeks ago, it was told to me as it being a fact, not a rumor.

Not really--I don't have the book. And yes, might as well make it as fact.

Well let's change the subject. Hmmm, should I add extra cheese in my lasagna?

Anyways, enough shipping. Let's talk about Gibbs and Jack. What were they doing in Tortuga?

I wasn't talking about shipping actually. Maybe we're not talking about the same spoiler....Ha, whoops!

And my thought is that Gibbs and Jack are saying goodbye. The scene where they bump eachother's fists looks as though they're saying what they did in COTBP:

Take what you can, give nothing back.

I shall poke you until you get really irritated if you don't spill now lol

Yes you should put extra cheese 😄

Yeah, exactly. And I wasn't talking about you talking about shipping....uh, did that made sense?

Ha, yes I believe it does make sense. Ok, so not shipping. Gibbs and Jack in Tortuga.

The only place I can think of to put that scene would be near the end of the film. Why else would Jack and Gibbs part company? Unless Jack was going on a mission which Gibbs could not follow.

Well, they are in Tortuga. A couple of months ago, there was a guy who is in one of the extras of the set and said that the strumpets DO cry because of something that said Jack. Jack being an honest good man 😄.

I believe the order on how it goes is that he says something that "truth hurts" as they say. And led them to slap him. But after that I don't know. I just know they get rejected and of course we see Jack and Gibbs giving a "thanks, mate. Take what you can, give nothing back" like savvysparrow said.

Then we see Gibbs escort the crying strumpets while Jack looks out with a determined face. I can't help but squee.

I agree with the tortuga thing.
And i like the sound of the whole 'truth hurts' speech that jack will give to the strumpets

i sense that by the end of AWE that jack and liz will do some sort of role reversal as to what they were walking about in the 'curiosity' scene.

For some reason, i feel that by the end of AWE, elizabeth will be a true pirate and jack will be a truly good man....

Would that count as the characters coming full circle???

Well, I wouldn't say that they've changed at all. Rather, I would say that the true nature of their characters are revealed.

Jack's history is revealed: he was never meant to be a pirate.

Elizabeth's path is revealed, she is and always was the best pirate of them all.

I suppose that you could argue that Jack's path is circular. He started life on land as a good man, and will, at least in my mind, close the films in the same way, living on land as a good man, with a streak of pirate in him.

Well, he took that P as a rememberance that he was and will always be a pirate by heart.

Ok, can we go back to discussing Beckett for a few minutes. I think the idea that Beckett is related to Jack in some way other than he was Jack's boss is an interesting theory.

I'm not saying that I believe Beckett and Jack are related by blood. But as I think about the intricate manner in which Beckett manipulates Jack, I can't help but wonder how well these two characters know each other.

I'm going to put out a hypothesis that Beckett and Jack were once friends. Jack had the things that Beckett wanted, good looks, height, charisma, a ship, a commission, perhaps even a girl.

I'm thinking that their relationship may have been similar to the characters in the Count of Monte Cristo--who incidentally also invents a persona to hide his true identity--sounding familar?

In the Count of Monte Cristo, Dantes has everything, a girl, the ship, the accolades and his best friend is insanely jealous. So, his friend sets him up to be arrested and taken away.

Beckett may have done something similar in that he gives Jack a mission he know he cannot complete--transporting slaves. Knowing full and well that Jack will refuse to execute his orders, Beckett then has justification to act to sink the Wench to the depths while forcing Jack to watch. He also makes him an outlaw so that he can no longer be a member of society.

Dantes escapes from the prison eventually, and invents a persona for himself--the Count of Monte Cristo. Meanwhile, Jack has Davy Jones raise the Pearl from the depths and invents a persona for him self--the infamous Jack Sparrow.

What I don't understand is why Beckett continually offers Jack the chance to work for the East India Trading company. I know it's best to keep your enemies close, but he seems to go out of his way to spare Jack's life. Why?

I belive they grew up together so they have this bondage and growing up i am guessing like you that jack had it better and beckett was jealous. I belive that Jack was probably over beckett in society range and maybe they were both following under one man and Jack was given a mission to complete and beckett knows that Jack wouldn't do it like you said, so maybe he was a little too jealous and did something and Jack came back empty haded like beckett knew and whoever was their lead gave beckett a better posion higher than Jack and because jealousy is an evil thing he sank the wicked wench to the bottom and branded jack a pirate and jack did something still unknown to us to him and over the years they grew apart beckett kept getting higher and higher in civilization and eventually became a lord and Jack is and still a pirate and they hated each other but i think beckett didn't try and kill Jack because of their old bondage from the years earlier that is why he asked him to be a privateer. this is all my theory and opinion sorry if kinda long.

whatever the deal with them. What if Beckett made a deal with Jack's family--or Teague.

I love Jack and Beckett together.

Oh, that's going to be so kickass when Jack does what he does...his good deed...

Yum, lasagna!

Jack was always a good man...saved a complete stranger from drowning after all...it's just that he's been conditioned that no good deed goes unpunished...tends to make a person leery of good deeds after awhile. I can't see Jack living on land and happy though...it'd be like the Elves in Lord of the Rings when the Sea is calling to them. Certain people are water babies...they need to be close to the water or they die.

I know my theory is unpopular but I still feel the only reasoning that truly satisfies me...is that Beckett is in love with Jack, that's why he can't bear to have him killed. Beckett could have been pissed that Jack didn't feel the same way and could have been part of what lead to their parting ways.

I got some leftovers, Erica 😄. I hope you love cheese!!

The theory about Beckett loving Jack freaks me out a bit, no offense on the homosexuality. But Beckett seems more obsessed with him.

I doubt they're related. But, let's see if the great book gives the answer 😄

you ladies are freaking me out...I'm like having anxiety attacks....and If Mina is happy...then I'm happy....Happy, Happy, Happy....I can't wait to see Jack be the good man....of course we knew all along that he was a good man...some people come on here and try to say we are wearing jack sparrow colored glasses and refuse to see that he isn't as good as we think he is......but we all know the truth, don't we????!!!!