Originally posted by calypso
Ok, we saw the pix back in Sept '06 of Jack with the "P" on his bandana and with a shrunken head on the left side of his belt. Ummmm, I think it is ol Beckett. I also believe that for Beckett to hate Jack so much there is alot more back story like maybe they were cousins competing for the love of a grandfather and he favored Jack over Beckett. Even Norrington who wants to take out the last pirate in the Carribean does not show the intense hatred for Jack that Beckett does. Beckett has done nothing but look for Jack for 13 years. So, there is some very deep, unrelenting aggression in Beckett because of Jack and I don't think the eunich approach is it. Jack and Beckett are tied by blood.
Originally posted by PirateDiva
Thats funny cause just now i read a fanfic claiming to contain POSSIBLE MAJOR SPOILERS for AWE ^^.......Jonathon Beckett...eh? read it!!http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3318514/6/
its actually really good...not complete but the last chappie talks about a Jonathon Beckett...let me know what ya think! Enjoy!
read Calypso's post, then read Mine!
Alright, alright, alright. Now wait just a minute. It's plausible that Jack and Beckett are related, though I think it unlikely.
What is more plausible and what has already been implied by the writers is that Jack did not start out life as a pirate. Therefore, Jack Sparrow is a persona that he invented to hide who he really was, an ordinary man similar to Will. The writers have said that we don't really know if Teague is Jack's father, and his last name is NOT Sparrow.
I think those are the spoilers for AWE.
But, I won't discount entirely that Beckett is related to Jack. If that's your theory, what mark do you think that Jack left on Beckett?
Originally posted by calypso
Ok, we saw the pix back in Sept '06 of Jack with the "P" on his bandana and with a shrunken head on the left side of his belt. Ummmm, I think it is ol Beckett. I also believe that for Beckett to hate Jack so much there is alot more back story like maybe they were cousins competing for the love of a grandfather and he favored Jack over Beckett. Even Norrington who wants to take out the last pirate in the Carribean does not show the intense hatred for Jack that Beckett does. Beckett has done nothing but look for Jack for 13 years. So, there is some very deep, unrelenting aggression in Beckett because of Jack and I don't think the eunich approach is it. Jack and Beckett are tied by blood.
oaky I was thinking this morning as I was driving....
we've heard all along that they took big risks with the third and final installment, an era is coming to an end...
Elizabeth's choice is not exactly her choice????,
it's a kick-ass ending...and one the audience will not expect???
Now if you think about it, "they" are talking about the general audience...not us obsessed fans that breath, eat, drink and sleep Pirates....
so what would the general audience expect when going to see the third installment? Elizabeth to be with Will.
It's just us small little minority of people out of this big whole wide world that get on here and talk about Sparrabeth.
We are the ones who have delved into the movies and dug up all the clues, theories and symbolisms......
so the common John Doe that's seen the movie maybe twice....doesn't know that Beckett says "fate intervenes"...or that Gibbs refers to Jack being "vexed" which clues us into the conversation in Tia's cabin that says "what vexes all men?"..."a Woman"......
or that Elizabeth's clothes have something to do with what she is feeling or where her character is headed....
or that Jack has a fertility symbol "chicken's foot" hanging from his belt....or that the compass points to the thing you want most in this world, which can be ever-changing....
or that when Liz holds the compass and the audience clearly sees it point to Jack and Elizabeth appears to believe that it does, that in fact it was pointing the chest all along but what's important is that Elizabeth thought it pointed to Jack.....see where I'm going?
I'm rambling on...so many thoughts in my head....
If the novelization comes out tomorrow, will we truly know what happens? The kick=ass ending may be left out, just as Barbossa's appearance was left out of the DMC novelization...and the great J/E scenes that were in DMC, don't come across that way in the novel...so....who's to say what we will find out, it may infact increase our anxieties ten-fold until May 24/25!!!!
Also, back to the general public....who does the general public care about in these movies, why do they keep going back, why were these sequels created in the first place...three words, baby...CAPTAIN JACK SPARROW. I don't care what anyone says...that's the facts.
This morning when I turned on my computer the first thing that popped up on my screen was "Top Headlines"..and what was the top little "snippet" of information???/ IT was the red AWE pic of Jack Sparrow and it said "Pirates of the Caribbean, At World's End Theatrical Trailer, most viewed trailer, topic on the internet.....etc....AWE is already topping charts and it hasn't even come out yet....
and also, this is no longer a children's, family movie...it has become more of an adult movie....
Originally posted by willofthewisp
I just want to hear the evidence on why some people think they're related. Just because they do business the same way?
Well, it has been said that they are very much alike....but, it's just a hunch, a feeling....just the way Beckett has been searching for Jack for 13 years...just the fact that he is so adamant about getting the best of Jack, why would he care so much if it were merely that Jack disobeyed him and set the cargo free....it has to be much deeper than that.....
that would be funny if they were related though, but then no sparrabeth hottness anymore.
jack: sorry love it never would of worked betwwen us
liz: why?
Jack: it is wrong to kiss your uncles aunts brothers granchildrens third cousin twiced removed it just won't work
Liz: i guess your right it never would of worked betwwen us Jack
it does make some sense Beckett and Jack are related but they probably just grew up with each other then some accident or something happened making them go their seperate ways and Beckett with his EITC and jack pirating.
Alright, this Jack and Beckett theory on how they are related is getting too far now and quiet silly. It's only plausible, not probable.
I know Jack became a pirate by Beckett's brand, and he embraced his piracy quiet well after that. That's the path he chose.
Here's my thought on Jack's past:
Either he was just an ordinary person with an odd job like transporting slaves and cargos and other items from the EITC, but with the dream to become a pirate (like Elizabeth).
OR
He was a man who had a life of money. I always wondered if Jack came from a wealthy family. Jack knows how to read, he is very intelligent, I read that he reads Spanish. Jack shows to have a lot of education. He made maps--Jack looks to be a person who is really prepared.
The Sparrow name I believe it's made up. Again, I read that somewhere that his name isn't really Sparrow.
I'm with you that Sparrow is made up. It's way too fitting of his personality for it to be real. Why can't he be a little bit of both the people you're describing? You have them either/or, when it could actually be a combination. People employed to something as big as the EITC would most definitely be somewhat educated and they would be trained in a variety of things. To train to be the captain of a ship, I'm sure they were taught things like making charts and other languages of the places they'd be going.
There's more to it than that. I think that maybe Beckett is tied more intricately to Jack's past than we think. He may have been a friend who desired Jack's power and wound up betraying him.
The people who say there is more to Beckett than meets the eye are right. He knows waaaaaay to well how to deal with Jack for him to be a distant acquiantance or boss.
Well, if you think about it, Jack is all the things Beckett isn't. Beckett may be powerful and rich, but he doesn't have that charisma, that leadership that Jack has. People are willing to go to the ends of the earth for Jack. Probably none of his employees would do that for him. He probably was bitterly jealous of him. There is more to Beckett than meets the eye, but I don't see him being a relative of Jack. Hey, if he is, that's cool and a kickass reveal, but like you said, it's more plausible than probable.