Originally posted by J-Beowulf
You know that meat contains vital nutrients and vitamins that are necessary for survival?And besides, it tastes great.
I'll have some gravy with my veal, please.
Tasting great is two things:
1) Not a need, 2) Subjective.
As said previously; There's no NEED to eat ANY meat.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
List them.Also, show me the people that die as a result of not eating meat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_eating_meat#Necessity
I don't want to argue over this, and I didn't mean to sound so snotty with my post. I couldn't care less if you don't eat meat, it's your choice and shouldn't even be a subject for debate.
Just don't tell me it's wrong to eat meat and it's all good. 😉
Originally posted by J-Beowulf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_eating_meat#NecessityI don't want to argue over this, and I didn't mean to sound so snotty with my post. I couldn't care less if you don't eat meat, it's your choice and shouldn't even be a subject for debate.
Just don't tell me it's wrong to eat meat and it's all good. 😉
Necessity:
"In certain cultures, such as the Inuit, surviving without meat is not possible due to the climate and local flora and fauna. Certain areas, particularly mountainous areas, are not suitable for producing human crops, yet are still useful for allowing livestock to graze.".
I'll be waiting on back up of your original claim. How meat is necessary for survival to regular humans, not inuits.
Go on.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[b]Necessity:"In certain cultures, such as the Inuit, surviving without meat is not possible due to the climate and local flora and fauna. Certain areas, particularly mountainous areas, are not suitable for producing human crops, yet are still useful for allowing livestock to graze.".
I'll be waiting on back up of your original claim. How meat is necessary for survival to regular humans, not inuits.
Go on.
-AC [/B]
As I said, I don't want to debate over this at all. It's your choice to not eat meat, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I also did not mean to sound so snotty in my original post.
Originally posted by J-Beowulf
As I said, I don't want to debate over this at all. It's your choice to not eat meat, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I also did not mean to sound so snotty in my original post.
Why post? You think you can just post random claims assuming I'm not aware of things and then say "I don't want to debate."?
It doesn't work like that. "I don't want to debate...but *Post*".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why post? You think you can just post random claims assuming I'm not aware of things and then say "I don't want to debate."?It doesn't work like that. "I don't want to debate...but *Post*".
-AC
And no, I do not want to debate over it, because it's a matter of choice whether you want to eat meat or not... your dietary situation is of no concern to me. I posted my first post for no reason, really, and I realize it was entirely unnecessary.
Originally posted by J-Beowulf
I am fully aware of that, and realize my wrong.And no, I do not want to debate over it, because it's a matter of choice whether you want to eat meat or not... your dietary situation is of no concern to me. I posted my first post for no reason, really, and I realize it was entirely unnecessary.
It's a discussion board, it's quite ignorant to assume you can just post your beliefs and have no one challenge them, especially when you make a remark about someone else, but fine, apology accepted.
It's not about choice to eat meat or not, it's about it being necessary for survival; It's not.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's a discussion board, it's quite ignorant to assume you can just post your beliefs and have no one challenge them, especially when you make a remark about someone else, but fine, apology accepted.It's not about choice to eat meat or not, it's about it being necessary for survival; It's not.
-AC
Trust me, I expected someone to challenge them...
And then I realized I wasn't arguing with conspiracy theorists.. and felt like an ass.
Sigh.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
IE, a balanced diet (that does not require meat).
Extremely balanced and most people do not have the option of mixing leafy greens, beans, nuts, fruits, garden vegetables, starches etc.; all together in their daily diet.
Also, if you look at third world countries where children lack meat, their adulthood suffers from the lack of protein that meat readily gives over other foods.
But yeah, in the end "you" can survive without meat, I just wouldn't recommend a vegetarian diet unless you have good working knowledge of dietary needs and access to a wide variety of non-meat foods
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Terrible sentence, but at the heart of it I believe there to be much, as the French say, le BS.
My fragmented sentences are not the point here. It has been shown that protein is more readily absorbed from meat when compared to eating vegetarian substitutes like soy or tofu. The fact that vegetarians have to be careful and make sure they are getting plenty of iron, protein, Vitamins D and B-12, calcium, zinc and other nutrients, shows why meat is an essential part to the human diet, since we are omnivores after all.
Edit: B-12, which is obtained exclusively by eating animals (although synthetic supplements are available, but they aren't as efficiently asorbed as natural B-12) is especially important since B-12 deficiency can cause anemia and nerve damage.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
So basically, if you have to eat meat, then you have to eat it. Hardly generally applicable, I'm sure we all agree.It's not as if meat is a panacea for a bad diet as well.
There's nothing in it that can't be found elsewhere.
I never said meat was a miracle food and on the flip-side just eating meat wouldn't be healthy either. I am saying that meat is good for you and it contains things you need (protein, amino acids etc.), that doesn't mean you can't get those needed nutrients elsewhere, as I said you can live healthy being a vegetarian if you do it correctly, but meat does have higher levels of certain needed nutrients than other foods.
In short, there is nothing wrong with eating meat and it isn't bad for you (unless abused), so eat meat if you like as we are adapted to eat meat... or don't.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
It has been shown that protein is more readily absorbed from meat when compared to eating vegetarian substitutes like soy or tofu.
By whom? Don't make random claims without backing.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
The fact that vegetarians have to be careful and make sure they are getting plenty of iron, protein, Vitamins D and B-12, calcium, zinc and other nutrients, shows why meat is an essential part to the human diet, since we are omnivores after all.
Yes, so do meat eaters. As I said, meat isn't the solution to all dietary problems, is it? It's a source of some things, all of which can be gained elsewhere.
So, that's essentially that. Meat isn't necessary.
Originally posted by Robtard
I never said meat was a miracle food and on the flip-side just eating meat wouldn't be healthy either. I am saying that meat is good for you
Highly debatable.
Originally posted by Robtard
and it contains things you need (protein, amino acids etc.)
Proteins are made of amino acids. Suspect!
Originally posted by Robtard
that doesn't mean you can't get those needed nutrients elsewhere, as I said you can live healthy being a vegetarian if you do it correctly, but meat does have higher levels of certain needed nutrients than other foods.
Go on...