Is superman really invulnerable?

Originally posted by skygunner41
So Surfer armbar should be used after all Mc Duffie write it and a couple very interesting Mc Duffie fact also plausible to use.It really what you said.

My point is, the 81 billion tons moon busting is very different to his Saturn's small dead moon cutting before.

Reasons:

1.) the shadow moon has clear information of it's mass.

2.) the mass of Saturn's dead moon was unknown to any of us.

3.) Modern-Superman had never withstand a point blank range of 81 billion tons(or higher) planet explosion without getting knocked out. Take note, Superman inside a 81 billion tons(or higher) planet explosion. So, don't waste time showing me Superman outside the planet explosion and was not knocked out. Let me repeat, inside the planet explosion just like what happened in Justice League of America 30.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
My point is, the 81 billion tons moon busting is very different to his Saturn's small dead moon cutting before.

Reasons:

1.) the shadow moon has clear information of it's mass.

2.) the mass of Saturn's dead moon was unknown to any of us.

3.) Modern-Superman had never withstand a point blank range of 81 billion tons(or higher) planet explosion without getting knocked out. [b]Take note, Superman inside a 81 billion tons(or higher) planet explosion. So, don't waste time showing me Superman outside the planet explosion and was not knocked out. Let me repeat, inside the planet explosion just like what happened in Justice League of America 30. [/B]

Inside .... He rammed through shadow moon with unknown type of energy that created that moon .. it could be magic or something else..that change the property of moon overall toughness.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
My point is, the 81 billion tons moon busting is very different to his Saturn's small dead moon cutting before.

Reasons:

1.) the shadow moon has clear information of it's mass.

2.) the mass of Saturn's dead moon was unknown to any of us.

3.) Modern-Superman had never withstand a point blank range of 81 billion tons(or higher) planet explosion without getting knocked out. [b]Take note, Superman inside a 81 billion tons(or higher) planet explosion. So, don't waste time showing me Superman outside the planet explosion and was not knocked out. Let me repeat, inside the planet explosion just like what happened in Justice League of America 30. [/B]

what about the brainiac arc supernova + planet?

Originally posted by skygunner41
Inside .... He rammed through shadow moon with unknown type of energy that created that moon .. it could be magic or something else..that change the property of moon overall toughness.

Where did you get that? It was stated in the comics that the real problem in the shadow moon were it's 81 billion tons mass and it's impact speed on earth and not on it's property. Again, it was stated and Icon was there and he knew that property(but wasn't stated what kind), also Icon didn't say anything about it's property being super ultra dangerous.

Originally posted by Raoul
what about the brainiac arc supernova + planet?

Please read my statement, everybody here knew that Supes can withstand a supernova, but can Supes withstand a supernova without getting knock out?

Originally posted by nij-ayias
Where did you get that? It was stated in the comics that the real problem in the shadow moon were it's 81 billion tons mass and it's impact speed on earth and not on it's property. Again, it was stated and Icon was there and he knew that property(but wasn't stated what kind), also Icon didn't say anything about it's property being super ultra dangerous.

That the problem...we don't know what kind of energy or properties created that shadow moon, or is it similar to our moon?.
BTW Supes destroy Saturn when fly faster than light speed and this shadow moon his does not.

Originally posted by skygunner41
That the problem...we don't know what kind of energy or properties created that shadow moon, or is it similar to our moon?.
BTW Supes destroy Saturn when fly faster than light speed and this shadow moon his does not.

Again, Icon knew the property but the main problem is it's mass and impact speed on earth, it was stated. Again, nothing was stated about the property of the shadow moon being dangerous. So, quit whining about the property that was not the serious issue or not a serious problem.

Shadow Moon's Mass = 81 billion tons

Mass of Saturn's small dead moon = no one knows or unknown mass.

Do I have to repeat? Please read it, please. And Super didn't fly faster than light is because he needs all the mass he can gain mass from relativity to completely destroy the shadow moon and prevent any impact on Earth.

SHOW ME WHERE IT WAS STATED THAT THE PROPERTY OF THE SHADOW MOON IS THE REAL PROBLEM AND NOT IT'S MASS AND SPEED. ACCORDING TO JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA 30:

PROPERTY OF THE SHADOW MOON = NOT STATED AS A PROBLEM

MASS AND SPEED OF THE SHADOW MOON = STATED IN THE COMICS AS A BIG PROBLEM

Originally posted by nij-ayias
Please read my statement, everybody here knew that Supes can withstand a supernova, [b]but can Supes withstand a supernova without getting knock out? [/B]

it was a supernova and a planet exploding. if he'd get knocked out by a moon exploding, an exploding planet and supernova should severely injure him. it didnt.

Originally posted by Raoul
it was a supernova and a planet exploding. if he'd get knocked out by a moon exploding, an exploding planet and supernova should severely injure him. it didnt.

The main point here is, from moon busting to supernova, it can knock out Superman but cannot kill him. Did you get my point? This isn't about invulnerability but getting knocked out. In Justice League of America 30, it was pretty clear that Supes was knocked out by a point blank range 81 billion tons explosion.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
The main point here is, from moon busting to supernova, it can knock out Superman but cannot kill him. Did you get my point? This isn't about invulnerability but getting knocked out. In Justice League of America 30, it was pretty clear that Supes was knocked out by a point blank range 81 billion tons explosion.

amazing how you keep running back to one low showing rather than trying to come up with other instances to back it up...

Originally posted by Raoul
amazing how you keep running back to one low showing rather than trying to come up with other instances to back it up...

Are you telling that the only thing that can knock out Supes is supernova? That's just playing blind, like I said before, show me any scan where Supes was inside an 81 billion tons planet explosion or higher without getting knocked out. I'm sure you you wouldn't find any. Take note, don't bother showing scans where Supes was outside a planet buster, he should be inside or ground zero.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
Are you telling that the only thing that can knock out Supes is supernova? That's just playing blind, [b]like I said before, show me any scan where Supes was inside an 81 billion tons planet explosion or higher without getting knocked out. I'm sure you you wouldn't find any. Take note, don't bother showing scans where Supes was outside a planet buster, he should be inside or ground zero. [/B]

he was standing on the planet when it was hit by the supernova.

81 billion tons isn't even the size of our moon, and superman regularly takes punches from people that can destory planets.

it is a low showing when you take in to account that he's taken worse and been relatively fine.

Originally posted by Raoul
he was standing on the planet when it was hit by the supernova.

FIRST OF ALL, TAKE NOTE THE WORD KNOCK OUT.

Did I say something that he can't? Besides he was knocked out, that's my point here. What I want you to show me is Superman standing inside a 81 billion tons planet buster without getting knocked out.

Originally posted by Raoul
81 billion tons isn't even the size of our moon, and superman regularly takes punches from people that can destory planets.

81 billion tons is a mass not size, besides it's a mass of the shadow moon OR DC UNIVERSE MOON AND NOT OUR MOON. Yes, Superman took punches from people that can destroy small planets and was knocked out. Also, small planet is classified as planetoid or asteroid. And what is the mass of that small planets that they can destroy? Is it close to 81 billion tons? It's unknown, it's not even close to the mass of planet earth because they should've stated if it is.

Originally posted by Raoul
it is a low showing when you take in to account that he's taken worse and been relatively fine.

What are you talking about? It wasn't a low showing because as I've stated before, Superman can be knock out from 81 billion tons planet busting to Supernova.

THE MAIN POINT HERE IS, SURVIVING A SUPERNOVA IN A KNOCK OUT CONDITION DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEANS THAT HE CAN TOOK AN 81 BILLION TONS PLANET BUSTER WITHOUT GETTING KNOCK OUT. TAKE NOTE THE WORD KNOCK OUT PLEASE.

KNOCK OUT = LOSE

Usually when you're knocked out, the guy who knocked you out, is considered the winner of the fight. I looked it up.