Caps punches

Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh the jumping part wouldn't really work, for a real pressure point since Namor issn't like 20 feet, the pressure point is not like the whole arm.
It's a "point".

Iff cap would jump kick it he wouldn't be able to hit it just the surface, of the arm.

The solar plexus is a pressure point. Thats big enough to put your foot or hand into. Not all pressure points are tiny. Even if it is a small pressure point he doesnt have to jump kick a pressure point, im just saying he can apply more force. Normally to some pressure points you apply minimal force...like a touch. When he is fighting a brick he can apply full force to that pressure point.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Now he might be able to jump to the stomach yet I think a person like namors abs are way to strong to get him to lose his breath.
Might work with the shield, but don't think it would.

Yeah also remember that the MAs in the MU are nothing like we have in real life. Cap can see bullets for crying out loud. Now I know that applies to reflexes but what im saying is that there skills are like superhuman powers therefore they can do the seemingly impossible.

Hell Cap knows about chi as well for all we know he is using that to help him as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim
The solar plexus is a pressure point. Thats big enough to put your foot or hand into. Not all pressure points are tiny. Even if it is a small pressure point he doesnt have to jump kick a pressure point, im just saying he can apply more force. Normally to some pressure points you apply minimal force...like a touch. When he is fighting a brick he can apply full force to that pressure point.

Yeah also remember that the MAs in the MU are nothing like we have in real life. Cap can see bullets for crying out loud. Now I know that applies to reflexes but what im saying is that there skills are like superhuman powers therefore they can do the seemingly impossible.

Hell Cap knows about chi as well for all we know he is using that to help him as well.

Dude I know a pressure point issn't allway's small don't work in a hospital for nothing.
And the solare plexus is pretty much a level 1 point.
To really do lasting damage you atleas have to do nerve strike's.
And no he can't apply enough force, he aint heavy or strong enough to put down a 100 tonner.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Dude I know a pressure point issn't allway's small don't work in a hospital for nothing.
And the solare plexus is pretty much a level 1 point.
To really do lasting damage you atleas have to do nerve strike's.
And no he can't apply enough force, he aint heavy or strong enough to put down a 100 tonner.

Bro this is what we call IDLI, IDH (I Dont Like It, It Didn't Happen). Cap has been stunning class 100s since the dawn of time what you seem to be saying is that its PIS because it doesnt make any sense. The explanation for this is....in the MU even if you are vastly inferior in strength if your are skilled enough you can knock out somebody who is vastly stronger than you. Caps fighting skill is like a super power, it may not make sense in the real world but in the MU he is skilled enough to do this. He may not know exactly how he does it but he can...again maybe his knoweldge of chi helps him.

Mantis has peak human strength but she still knocked out Thor

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mantis

Abilities

Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

Are you going to tell me that it never happened eventhough it states that in her bio and is an event that happened in mainstream marvel reality?

The MU is a different universe to this one and has different rules. In the MU skill is a substitute for superhuman powers thats just how it is. Peter got bitten by a radioactive spider did he get cancer, no he got powers, because that is what happens in the MU.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bro this is what we call IDLI, IDH (I Dont Like It, It Didn't Happen). Cap has been stunning class 100s since the dawn of time what you seem to be saying is that its PIS because it doesnt make any sense. The explanation for this is....in the MU even if you are vastly inferior in strength if your are skilled enough you can knock out somebody who is vastly stronger than you. Caps fighting skill is like a super power, it may not make sense in the real world but in the MU he is skilled enough to do this. He may not know exactly how he does it but he can...again maybe his knoweldge of chi helps him.

Mantis has peak human strength but she still knocked out Thor

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mantis

[B]Abilities

Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

Are you going to tell me that it never happened eventhough it states that in her bio and is an event that happened in mainstream marvel reality?

The MU is a different universe to this one and has different rules. In the MU skill is a substitute for superhuman powers thats just how it is. Peter got bitten by a radioactive spider did he get cancer, no he got powers, because that is what happens in the MU. [/B]

Hey spiderman also beat firelord it happend so I guess since he done it once he can do it to other herald lvl characters??

Originally posted by Brutacus
Hey spiderman also beat firelord it happend so I guess since he done it once he can do it to other herald lvl characters??

How may times has Spideman beaten Herald level character? Its a one off. If you like at what it says about Mantis.....

Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

It says being(s) so Mantis has done this on numerous occassions.

Furthermore Cap has been stunning people vastly stronger than him 100s of times. Look at the forum rules below.

No SvFL

For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.

The rules say that if something happens enough times its not SvFL.

Originally posted by Alfheim
How may times has Spideman beaten Herald level character? Its a one off. If you like at what it says about Mantis.....

[B]Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

It says being(s) so Mantis has done this on numerous occassions.

Furthermore Cap has been stunning people vastly stronger than him 100s of times. Look at the forum rules below.

No SvFL

For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.

The rules say that if something happens enough times its not SvFL. [/B]

Ok I can see this mantis do it .
So you compare Cap to her????

Originally posted by Brutacus
Ok I can see this mantis do it .
So you compare Cap to her????

No Mantis is better but YOU said that Cap cant do it because he is not strong enough.

According to your logic Mantis shouldnt be able to do it either she maybe a better fighter but she still does not have enough strength and her skills are not classified as a power.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No Mantis is better but YOU said that Cap cant do it because he is not strong enough.

[B]According to your logic Mantis shouldnt be able to do it either she maybe a better fighter but she still does not have enough strength and her skills are not classified as a power. [/B]

Through training with the Priests of Pama, Mantis attained "complete control" over her body, achieving peak human agility, the ability to accelerate her recuperative powers through force of will, and an empathic nature enabling her to sense the emotions of others as "psychic vibrations." Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

This is the power of this mantis correct?

So since wenn has cap been trained like this???
He aint so he won't be able to do the same like her.
That would mean he needs more strenght to do it than her, and he doesn't have it.
Does caps character bios stated that he can K.O. or Stun Thor with a pressure point???
No it doesn't.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Through training with the Priests of Pama, Mantis attained "complete control" over her body, achieving peak human agility, the ability to accelerate her recuperative powers through force of will, and an empathic nature enabling her to sense the emotions of others as "psychic vibrations." Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

This is the power of this mantis correct?

So since wenn has cap been trained like this???

Cap knows how to use Chi which involves meditation this is something which Mantis does on a more advanced level.

Does any of the above say superhuman strength? Lets have a closer look shall we.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Through training with the Priests of Pama, Mantis attained "complete control" over her body, achieving peak human agility,

control over her body and peak human agility. So you can knock a class 100 with complete control over your body which gives you peak human agility? Hell Cap may not have complete control over his body but he has at least peak human agility.

Originally posted by Brutacus

the ability to accelerate her recuperative powers through force of will,

Recupertive means healing? When have you ever seen anybody using their abiltiy to heal themselves to knock somebody out? Does Wolverine use his adamntuim claws to injure people or his healing factor?

Originally posted by Brutacus

and an empathic nature enabling her to sense the emotions of others as "psychic vibrations."

That gives her superhuman strength does it? No thats something seperate just because you can sense somebodies emotions does not mean you can use that power to knock somebody out with your fists. When have you ever seen heros with empathic powers knocking out people with class 100 strength with their fists

and the most important bit....

Originally posted by Brutacus

Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

If you look at what it says above what enables her to knock people out is NOT her control over other peoples emotions, NOT her healing but....

Originally posted by Brutacus

Her mastery of the Priests' martial arts, which focus on manipulation of nerve endings and pressure points, has enabled her to knock out beings as powerful as Thor.

All this other stuff she can do is irrelevant it her knowldege of nerve endings that enable her to knock people like Thor out, but according to your logic she should not be able to do it because she is not strong enough.

Originally posted by Brutacus

He aint so he won't be able to do the same like her.

No at as well as she can but he can still hurt people vastly stronger than him.

Originally posted by Brutacus

That would mean he needs more strenght to do it than her, and he doesn't have it.

What on earth are you talking about? People who have class 100 strength are still vastly durable even in the weak areas. Neither Cap nor Mantis have superhuman strength. Eventhough Mantis is the better fighter she still should not be able to do it because her skills dont give her superhuman strength.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Does caps character bios stated that he can K.O. or Stun Thor with a pressure point???
No it doesn't.

Yeah but do you know why its mentioned in her bio???? Because it happened in a comic, therefore the events where Cap hurts class 100s in comics still apply.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Cap knows how to use Chi which involves meditation this is something which Mantis does on a more advanced level.

Does any of the above say superhuman strength? Lets have a closer look shall we.

control over her body and peak human agility. So you can knock a class 100 with complete control over your body which gives you peak human agility? Hell Cap may not have complete control over his body but he has at least peak human agility.

Recupertive means healing? When have you ever seen anybody using their abiltiy to heal themselves to knock somebody out? Does Wolverine use his adamntuim claws to injure people or his healing factor?

That gives her superhuman strength does it? No thats something seperate just because you can sense somebodies emotions does not mean you can use that power to knock somebody out with your fists. When have you ever seen heros with empathic powers knocking out people with class 100 strength with their fists

and the most important bit....

If you look at what it says above what enables her to knock people out is NOT her control over other peoples emotions, NOT her healing but....

[B]All this other stuff she can do is irrelevant it her knowldege of nerve endings that enable her to knock people like Thor out, but according to your logic she should not be able to do it because she is not strong enough.

No at as well as she can but he can still hurt people vastly stronger than him.

What on earth are you talking about? People who have class 100 strength are still vastly durable even in the weak areas. Neither Cap nor Mantis have superhuman strength. Eventhough Mantis is the better fighter she still should not be able to do it because her skills dont give her superhuman strength.

Yeah but do you know why its mentioned in her bio???? Because it happened in a comic, therefore the events where Cap hurts class 100s in comics still apply. [/B]

Let's use a other character with almost the same physical abilities as cap only he's slightly beter since he's a inhuman, talking about karnak, he also can see the weak spots in a object or being, yet he could never k.o. the hulk with it who's a class 100.

So you use mantis as example I will use karnak as example, he's stronger and also is one of the best with the use of pressure points, still he couldn't do it.
So what does this say?
That even thow it might work for manits for some reason, it won't work for karnak, like you said before comic book logic's.
So you can't use mantis nor karnak as a example for cap since every character has his own character bio.
And since it has never been stated in caps bio he won't be able to do it.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Let's use a other character with almost the same physical abilities as cap only he's slightly beter since he's a inhuman, talking about karnak, he also can see the weak spots in a object or being, yet he could never k.o. the hulk with it who's a class 100.

So you use mantis as example I will use karnak as example, he's stronger and also is one of the best with the use of pressure points, still he couldn't do it.
So what does this say?

Originally posted by long pig

First we have Karnak hitting Thor so hard Thor drops his hammer. Karnak almost breaks Thor's wrist.

Just because he cant knock out the Hulk doesnt mean he cant knock otu somebody else. If Karnak is good enough to make Thor drop his hammer with a blow something tells me he ccan knock Thor out...

Originally posted by long pig

That even thow it might work for manits for some reason, it won't work for karnak, like you said before comic book logic's.

Er no it works for Mantis, Cap and Karnak...see above.

Originally posted by long pig

So you can't use mantis nor karnak as a example for cap since every character has his own character bio.
And since it has never been stated in caps bio he won't be able to do it.

Ok let me explain, and try and pay attention. The reason why it says mantis can knock Thor out....is.....because......it....happened in a comic. Therefore even if it doesnt state that Cap has knocked out a class 100 er in his bio comics can be used as evidence to say that Cap can either stun, hurt or knock out a class 100er because Cap has stuned and hurt class 100ers for ages.

as long as it was briefly mentioned, how the hell do they explain batman sneaking up on superman? is it like some weird pseudo-telepathic will extension...you know, bats uses his chi to extend his will not to be noticed or something?

because there's no way that batman skulking and creeping is quieter than heartbeats on the other side of the world and what have you. that doesn't even make sense on comic terms.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just because he cant knock out the Hulk doesnt mean he cant knock otu somebody else. If Karnak is good enough to make Thor drop his hammer with a blow something tells me he ccan knock Thor out...

Er no it works for Mantis, Cap and Karnak...see above.

Ok let me explain, and try and pay attention. The reason why it says mantis can knock Thor out....is.....because......it....happened in a comic. Therefore even if it doesnt state that Cap has knocked out a class 100 er in his bio comics can be used as evidence to say that Cap can either stun, hurt or knock out a class 100er because Cap has stuned and hurt class 100ers for ages.

Try and pay attention?? dude, I know your trying to make captain America the biggest and baddest fighter in marvel, you allready made dozen other threads with captain america telling us he´s not peak, but superhuman.
I know we are talking comics.
In comics every thing is possible, yet we have to look at it like this
You have high feats and low feats.
We just have to look in the middle and like most or almost everybody on this forum or in this post atleast say´s he can´t, hit as hard as a 100 tonner with his pressure point

does he stun 100 tonners on a regular basis, no he doesn´t.
most of the time´s he will use his shield or fight weaker characters.

So his pressure point strike´s, is not as powerful as a punch from a 100 tonner.

Originally posted by manorastroman
as long as it was briefly mentioned, how the hell do they explain batman sneaking up on superman? is it like some weird pseudo-telepathic will extension...you know, bats uses his chi to extend his will not to be noticed or something?

because there's no way that batman skulking and creeping is quieter than heartbeats on the other side of the world and what have you. that doesn't even make sense on comic terms.

his tech.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Try and pay attention?? dude, I know your trying to make captain America the biggest and baddest fighter in marvel,

Yeah thats why I said that Mantis was better than him. You're wasting my time arent you?

Originally posted by Brutacus

you allready made dozen other threads with captain america telling us he´s not peak, but superhuman.

Like doing reps with 1100lbs easily. Which means he could benchpress 1500lbs in one rep. Superhuman strength begins at 1000lbs....so yeah Cap is superhuman.

Originally posted by Brutacus

I know we are talking comics.
In comics every thing is possible, yet we have to look at it like this
You have high feats and low feats.

So you ignore high end feats?

Originally posted by Brutacus

We just have to look in the middle and like most or almost everybody on this forum or in this post atleast say´s he can´t, hit as hard as a 100 tonner with his pressure point

Er....excuse me we dont ignore high end feats.....do the forum rules so high end feast are ignored?

Originally posted by Brutacus

does he stun 100 tonners on a regular basis, no he doesn´t.
most of the time´s he will use his shield or fight weaker characters.

Go to this link educate yourself...

http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779

Originally posted by Brutacus

So his pressure point strike´s, is not as powerful as a punch from a 100 tonner.

You haven't proven anything. Im too tired to go into detail to show you how you're wasting my time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
his tech.

Yeah thats why I said that Mantis was better than him. You're wasting my time arent you?

Like doing reps with 1100lbs easily. Which means he could benchpress 1500lbs in one rep. Superhuman strength begins at 1000lbs....so yeah Cap is superhuman.

So you ignore high end feats?

Er....excuse me we dont ignore high end feats.....do the forum rules so high end feast are ignored?

Go to this link educate yourself...

http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=100779

You haven't proven anything. Im too tired to go into detail to show you how you're wasting my time.

No you are all wasting our time with you trying to say cap hits like a 100 tonner, dude.
Check back on the first page 9 out of 10 people say he can't and won't, so dude either your subborn or a fanboy.

High end feats are ignored iff they don't look right like Cap K.O. a 100 tonner, everybody knows this on this forum.

I think I've been on this forum a little while longer than you my friend so I know the rule's.

And we also have a name for people like you FANBOY.

And now I'm going to eat so bother some other forum with your cap fantasies.

**** if let me help you...

Originally posted by capt it up
ecpt he said feet and fists as well......

Cap huts this guy with fists and shield

http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengers177101dt.jpg

This guy takes shots from Wonder Man...who yes lifts 95 tons..so Korvac could possible be around 95 ton strength range or slightly highier.

Er I think this hurt Namor.

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=141ta.jpg

Cap hurts the controller who taken most of Namors strength. Namor is class 100 which means anything above a 100 if you look at Namor feats out of water they can go into 100s ie....200, 300 500....so most of Namor strength would still be class 100

http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamerica366093vp.jpg

Then of course theres this...

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg

Originally posted by Brutacus
No you are all wasting our time with you trying to say cap hits like a 100 tonner, dude.
Check back on the first page 9 out of 10 people say he can't and won't, so dude either your subborn or a fanboy.

High end feats are ignored iff they don't look right like Cap K.O. a 100 tonner, everybody knows this on this forum.

I think I've been on this forum a little while longer than you my friend so I know the rule's.

And we also have a name for people like you FANBOY.

And now I'm going to eat so bother some other forum with your cap fantasies.

You're a complete waste of time. Mantis can knock out class 100ers but Cap cant. Double standards.

Again...high end feats are not ignored. Show me where its says that on the rules and stop wasting my time.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You're a complete waste of time. Mantis can knock out class 100ers but Cap cant. Double standards.

Again...high end feats are not ignored. Show me where its says that on the rules and stop wasting my time.

No you are a complete waste of OUR time.
What will the next thread be cap can run as fast as flash with his skill??? 😉

Originally posted by Brutacus
No you are a complete waste of OUR time.
What will the next thread be cap can run as fast as flash with his skill??? 😉

So you're not going to look at the scans? So you're debating by ignoring everything im posting?

Originally posted by Alfheim
So you're not going to look at the scans? So you're debating by ignoring everything im posting?

Where in those scans does he knock someone out???
Namor is up in a second, the guy in the first scan just throws him out of a window.
And the last scan you can see him jump kicking the controller in the face, yet what happend after that???
He K.O'ed him???
We don't see him do that in those scans.