Caps punches

God I'm starting to really hate posting here at this forum (here it goes), but I agree that he can multiply the force with his skill, but I don't think it'll be on the equivalent of something as strong as 100 tons with the velocity of it (100 tons is a 5th of a million pounds.)

It's like me using my technique against a bear, my training will only do so much but I don't stand a chance. The bear will still win if I fight it with my bear hands. And I *might* be able to knock it back, but not kill it with my bear hands. That's more of a low showing for Namor.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Where in those scans does he knock someone out???

There you go

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg

No Cap does not touch the disk on the back of his neck.....

Originally posted by Brutacus

Namor is up in a second,

What you mean this....

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=141ta.jpg

Yeah he is but you can clearly see that Caps kick hurt him. The issue here is are Caps punches good enough to hurt, stun or KO somebody in the class 100 range. If Cap can hit Namor so hard that Namor lands on his back then it must have hurt.

If boxer A knocks boxer B to the ground would you think that boxer A could not knock boxer B out? Furthermore i have seen boxing matches were boxes have been dazed and recovered, I saw one match were a boxer actually got KOed and recovered before he hit the ropes. Recovery is not the issue here, the issue here is wether Cap can hurt, stun or KO somebody in class 100 range...what happens afterwards is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Brutacus

the guy in the first scan just throws him out of a window.

Er yeah but Caps punches were still clearly hurting him, but they were not enough to put him down in this instance.

After all you did say this.....

Originally posted by Brutacus

does he stun 100 tonners on a regular basis, no he doesn´t.
most of the time´s he will use his shield or fight weaker characters.

Some of my scans prove you wrong

Originally posted by Brutacus

And the last scan you can see him jump kicking the controller in the face, yet what happend after that???
He K.O'ed him???
We don't see him do that in those scans.

No he didnt but remember as I said earlier on Cap can either hurt, stun or KO with or without his shield.

The first cans shows him KOing Namor. Eventhough a non-mindcontrolled Namor could beat Cap, we are dealing with Namor's durability not his fighting prowess, there is no proof to indicate that mind control affects durability.

The second can shows Cap stunning Namor with his foot.

The third scans Caps blows hurting Korvac, what happens afterwards is irrelevant.

The last scan shows Cap hurting Controller with his jump kick.

If Cap can stun and hurt people in class 100 range why cant he knock them out.

If boxer A was able to stun boxer B is it illogical to think boxer A could knock boxer B out?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
God I'm starting to really hate posting here at this forum (here it goes), but I agree that he can multiply the force with his skill, but I don't think it'll be on the equivalent of something as strong as 100 tons with the velocity of it (100 tons is a 5th of a million pounds.)

It's like me using my technique against a bear, my training will only do so much but I don't stand a chance. The bear will still win if I fight it with my bear hands. And I *might* be able to knock it back, but not kill it with my bear hands. That's more of a low showing for Namor.

I could respond to this post, but I can see your hearts not really into it...so I think im gonna allow it. Dont get me wrong im not pissed at you or anything (you know what I can be like).

Heres a couple more...

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3048142ve.jpg

Whys Namor rubbing his head?

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3048157yg.jpg

As far as im concerned if Cap can punch Namor so hard he lands on his back and he gets up rubbing his head Cap can knock him out.

Of course Namor we beat Cap 8/10 because Namor is very strong, fast, smart and a good fighter.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Heres a couple more...

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3048142ve.jpg

Whys Namor rubbing his head?

http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav3048157yg.jpg

As far as im concerned if Cap can punch Namor so hard he lands on his back and he gets up rubbing his head Cap can knock him out.

Of course Namor we beat Cap 8/10 because Namor is very strong, fast, smart and a good fighter.

Ok maybe I was abite to fast by saying he wouldn't hurt them, since your right we are debating comics, so I guess it's possible since you also provided with enough scans I can't ignore.

Yet to say he can hit just as hard as a 100 tonner with his pressure points I think it still aint true, sure he will hit harder with it than wenn he would hit someone with only a normal punch, do they hurt them stun them or will they feel it sure, heck it's a comic so they have to put up a fight to make the comic intresting for people to buy it, but doesn't that count for every character they want to show of good, let's use gladiator or rhino, they are two of the biggest jobbers in marvel, they use them to let a character like spiderman or cannonbal look great.
Even thow they might have used those two to much.
Yet wenn they would have to show that the 100 tonner is unbeatble
(For example Gladiator vs Vulcan fight) than all of sudden the guy like cap or any other low level in strenght can't hurt them anymore.
Or even other high strenght power guy's can't seem to hurt them it's all about the role the character has in a the comic is he the mayor character than 9 out of 10 time's he will win the fight, even iff it means he will be beaten by villians first, but in the end he will find a way to win.

Ok i'll respond to your post tommorrow, but at least were getting somewhere. 😄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok i'll respond to your post tommorrow, but at least were getting somewhere. 😄

Well I guess, I thought to much about how a body would be affected by a pressure point in real live wenn it's 100 time's stronger.
My bad.
Still in comics the role they play in a surten comic also play's a big role, iff they are the main character they will have great showings.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Well I guess, I thought to much about how a body would be affected by a pressure point in real live wenn it's 100 time's stronger.
My bad.

Yeah its a different Universe with different rules..

Originally posted by Brutacus

Still in comics the role they play in a surten comic also play's a big role, iff they are the main character they will have great showings.

True sometimes, but the fact of the matter is Cap keeps on doing it again and again and again. Also why have the writers decided to give Cap his abilities why dont they just give him superhuman strength and be done with it?

The fact that he keeps doing it implies that he is doing what he is supposed to be doing.

Sure some characters are jobbers like Rhino but Namor is not and Cap has done it to so many different people it cant be a jobbing, he is doing what he is supposed to be doing.

Originally posted by Alfheim
There you go

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2299/captainamerica36514od1.jpg

No Cap does not touch the disk on the back of his neck.....

What you mean this....

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=141ta.jpg

Yeah he is but you can clearly see that Caps kick hurt him. The issue here is are Caps punches good enough to hurt, stun or KO somebody in the class 100 range. If Cap can hit Namor so hard that Namor lands on his back then it must have hurt.

If boxer A knocks boxer B to the ground would you think that boxer A could not knock boxer B out? Furthermore i have seen boxing matches were boxes have been dazed and recovered, I saw one match were a boxer actually got KOed and recovered before he hit the ropes. Recovery is not the issue here, the issue here is wether Cap can hurt, stun or KO somebody in class 100 range...what happens afterwards is irrelevant.

Er yeah but Caps punches were still clearly hurting him, but they were not enough to put him down in this instance.

After all you did say this.....

Some of my scans prove you wrong

No he didnt but remember as I said earlier on Cap can either hurt, stun or KO with or without his shield.

The first cans shows him KOing Namor. Eventhough a non-mindcontrolled Namor could beat Cap, we are dealing with Namor's durability not his fighting prowess, there is no proof to indicate that mind control affects durability.

The second can shows Cap stunning Namor with his foot.

The third scans Caps blows hurting Korvac, what happens afterwards is irrelevant.

The last scan shows Cap hurting Controller with his jump kick.

If Cap can stun and hurt people in class 100 range why cant he knock them out.

If boxer A was able to stun boxer B is it illogical to think boxer A could knock boxer B out?

I could respond to this post, but I can see your hearts not really into it...so I think im gonna allow it. Dont get me wrong im not pissed at you or anything (you know what I can be like).

Let me ask...

Can Karate Kid punch with 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 tons because he is EXTREMELY skilled?

Can can maybe punch with twice or thrice his powerlevel

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm not annoyed at you, but this forum sometimes... grrr...

of course you arnt if any thing you be laughing at the fact some one thinks that capt through skill can cause 100 ton characters just as much damage as if another 100 hit them.......

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
but I agree that he can multiply the force with his skill, but I don't think it'll be on the equivalent of something as strong as 100 tons with the velocity of it (100 tons is a 5th of a million pounds.)

Well ok but neither do I. I dont think that Cap can hit with the same amount of force as a 100 tons with skill. I think Cap can use his skill to make his punches have the same affect as a somebody in the class 100 range for example being able to hurt, stun or ko somebody in the class 100 range.

As you said Cap can multiply his force but Cap aint destroying a mountain.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

It's like me using my technique against a bear, my training will only do so much but I don't stand a chance. The bear will still win if I fight it with my bear hands. And I *might* be able to knock it back, but not kill it with my bear hands.

Ok so your using you and the bear as an example of Cap vs Namor? If so the problem with that example is that Cap has been able to stun Namor on three occasions. If you had knocked a bear on its back twice and knocked out a bear on another occassion I would beleive that you could defeat a bear....but I dont think Cap could kill Namor unless he used the envinronment....i dunno judo throwing him in a lava pit or something.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

That's more of a low showing for Namor.

I would disagree if its happened three times and Cap has been able to do it to people on a similar strength level as well.

Originally posted by Alfheim

No SvFL

For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption;[B] however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.

The rules say that if something happens enough times its not SvFL. [/B]

Originally posted by capt it up
of course you arnt if any thing you be laughing at the fact some one thinks that capt through skill can cause 100 ton characters just as much damage as if another 100 hit them.......

So has Namor fought people in the class 100 range without being stunned?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah its a different Universe with different rules..

True sometimes, but the fact of the matter is Cap keeps on doing it again and again and again. Also why have the writers decided to give Cap his abilities why dont they just give him superhuman strength and be done with it?

The fact that he keeps doing it implies that he is doing what he is supposed to be doing.

Sure some characters are jobbers like Rhino but Namor is not and Cap has done it to so many different people it cant be a jobbing, he is doing what he is supposed to be doing.

Originally posted by Juntai
So are we to assume then, that Batman can do the same on the forum, since he does it in comics, and consistantly, just as Cap?
And his durability too, since he's taken blows from the likes of Mongul, OMAC, a few different gods, Metallo, etc[and without a shield to block them]?

Originally posted by Alfheim

No SvFL

For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption;[B] however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.

The rules say that if something happens enough times its not SvFL. [/B]

The problem though is I cant really comment about Batman he is supposed not to have any powers, but if you look at Cap from even when he awoke from the ice you can see he is clearly superhuman.

I am a Cap expert not Batman. I dont really want to comment on Batman but I do know that Cap has been doing stuff like this for YEARS.

Oh and furrthermore its stated in Mantis's bio on marvel.com that Mantis can knock people as strong as Thor out. So according to marvel if you have enough skill you can knock out a God even if you have peak strength

what your talking abotu would not matter alf. By saying capt can hit with 100 ton damage.

is saying any top tier can.

so you must thing deathstroke can pwn capt then

Originally posted by capt it up
what your talking abotu would not matter alf. By saying capt can hit with 100 ton damage.

is saying any top tier can.

so you must thing deathstroke can pwn capt then

*sigh*

Originally posted by capt it up
what your talking abotu would not matter alf. By saying capt can hit with 100 ton damage.

is saying any top tier can.

so you must thing deathstroke can pwn capt then

That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

It's like Muhammed Ali. He was the greatest boxer ever, not because he was the hardest-hitting (he wasn't), but because of his skill and technique.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
That's the point. Cap doesn't hit with 100 ton damage. He doesn't need to, because his skill allows him to hit weak ponts with precision. That's how he's able to defeat super-strong foes. Not with force, but with precision.

Thank you.

You're welcome.