Originally posted by SpunkySmurphAnd, you base him being weaker... off of Gamora tossing Ronan... correct?
Well, you see Bran, when somebody possesses less physical strength than another person, they are called "weaker".
Skilled? Yeah... no. Just no.He basically lay on the floor laughing while he got hit...
Why? Exactly? I don't really care if she is more skilled, but I want to see what exactly this is based off of...
Dodging, pressure points? What exactly? Because Mar-Vell has good feats from both of those.
He started to laugh after Mar-Vell stopped beating the shit out of him. After he face wasn't being caved in anymore?
Originally posted by bigbranThat, and the sword clash, that caused people in a nearby village to fall down. Damaging Thanos with her attacks (no weapons). Grappling with Terrax over his weapon. Was about to kill Terrax with a dagger. Tossing Ronan 50+ feet.
And, you base him being weaker... off of Gamora tossing Ronan... correct?Why? Exactly? I don't really care if she is more skilled, but I want to see what exactly this is based off of...
Dodging, pressure points? What exactly? Because Mar-Vell has good feats from both of those.He started to laugh after Mar-Vell stopped beating the shit out of him. After he face wasn't being caved in anymore?
Etc.
Are we having a feat war over skill now?
So, he clearly wasn't in the right mind for an actual battle...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphThat's Godslayer to the Universal weapon though...
That, and the sword clash, that caused people in a nearby village to fall down. Damaging Thanos with her attacks (no weapons). Grappling with Terrax over his weapon. Was about to kill Terrax with a dagger. Tossing Ronan 50+ feet.Etc.
Are we having a feat war over skill now?
So, he clearly wasn't in the right mind for an actual battle...
No, I just want to know, why Mar-Vell is singled out right away in skill...
He was still Ronan, and he only showed to be out of his mind, AFTER he got his ass smoked.
Originally posted by bigbran
That's Godslayer to the Universal weapon though...
That's her sword.
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... no she didn't... Thanos was playing with her, when he froze.
Or here?
Originally posted by bigbranNot until she had skillfully beat him. After they grappled together. And then she was confident she could easily kill him with a dagger (strong enough to, *le gasp* ), but the chance was stolen from her.
Wasn't Terrax also asking her to kill him, during that fight?
Originally posted by bigbranI believe Capt made a thread that could be applied to the subject. It's a lot, and it was probably more then 50 feet.
Tossing a 300 or so pound man, 50 feet... I wonder how much strength is actually needed for this one...
Originally posted by bigbran
No, I just want to know, why Mar-Vell is singled out right away in skill...
cont.
Originally posted by bigbranIt said the virus had been driving him insane... not that he suddenly cracked.
He was still Ronan, and he only showed to be out of his mind, AFTER he got his ass smoked.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphOh I see. I was wrong. I admit it.
No, it's not.That's her sword.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphLike I said, she never hurt him, and Thanos has had his head moved many times in a fight... doesn't mean he was hurt. Mar-Vell has done it, hell Mar-Vell has basically knocked him down.
You mean here?Or here?
Also, didn't I just say that he was playing with her, when he froze?
Also, you're saying that my Ronan example was pis? And yet, you think that even if Gamora did hurt him... that is just an acceptable feat? Funny...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphThere was about three or so panels about that fight...
Not until she had skillfully beat him. After they grappled together. And then she was confident she could easily kill him with a dagger (strong enough to, *le gasp* ), but the chance was stolen from her.
Plus, you talk about Ronan not being in his right mind? He was infected with parasites, and they were coming out of his eyes...
He was even asking her to kill him.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphSo, how much strength is needed to basically stalemate Namor underwater? With just punch-to-punch.
I believe Capt made a thread that could be applied to the subject. It's a lot, and it was probably more then 50 feet.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphSexellent.
This is how a debate works:
I say my character is stronger/faster/better
You say no, your character is stronger/faster/better and give exampples
I prove how your examples are discreditable, and provide examples for my sidecont.
Also, I believe you had earlier mentioned more durible? Name one person who has been put from Saturn to Earth, with a punch, and gotten up in a page or so.
Plus, what would happen if Mar-Vell connected this on Gamora?
I mean, either could connect one, but Mar-Vell is faster, and all...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphI know, and in the same comic, he had destroyed Sentry, and also was using his Universal weapon.
It said the virus had been driving him insane... not that he suddenly cracked.
Originally posted by bigbranIf Ronan was missing as many marbles as he was in that fight, Gamora would be able to pull off the same thing.
Oh I see. I was wrong. I admit it.
But, her sword did seem to disappear after that though...
Also, if Gamora gets her sword, does Mar-Vell get his speed, and amping ability?
Plus, Mar-Vell doesn't need to connect weapon to weapon, he can just pawn Ronan up front... 😛
Originally posted by bigbran
Like I said, she never hurt him, and Thanos has had his head moved many times in a fight... doesn't mean he was hurt. Mar-Vell has done it, hell Mar-Vell has basically knocked him down.
Originally posted by bigbranProbably.
Also, didn't I just say that he was playing with her, when he froze?
(bottom of the scan for my reference)
Originally posted by bigbran
Also, you're saying that my Ronan example was pis? And yet, you think that even if Gamora did hurt him... that is just an acceptable feat? Funny...
Originally posted by bigbran
There was about three or so panels about that fight...
Also, she kicked him in the head, and then had her knives to his throat.
Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, you talk about Ronan not being in his right mind? He was infected with parasites, and they were coming out of his eyes...
He was even asking her to kill him.
Originally posted by bigbran
So, how much strength is needed to basically stalemate Namor underwater? With just punch-to-punch.
Originally posted by bigbran
Sexellent.
Now... Mar-Vell has beaten up 5 Iron Man level things at the same time.
And, done this...
Also, I believe you had earlier mentioned more durible? Name one person who has been put from Saturn to Earth, with a punch, and gotten up in a page or so.[/B][/QUOTE] I never mentioned durability. Yeah, I know Mar-Vell's blunt damage is pretty good. But she has her sword.
Originally posted by bigbranAnd Gamora is more skilled and all...
Plus, what would happen if Mar-Vell connected this on Gamora?I mean, either could connect one, but Mar-Vell is faster, and all...
Originally posted by bigbranI don't question anything about the fight right up until near the end, where he starts staring into space and not even fighting back as he's pummeled.
I know, and in the same comic, he had destroyed Sentry, and also was using his Universal weapon.
He might have been insane, but he was aware of his powers, and who Mar-Vell was. Hell, the only instance of this really, was after Mar-Vell had dropped his ass.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphHe only showed this after he was put down, like a ho.
If Ronan was missing as many marbles as he was in that fight, Gamora would be able to pull off the same thing.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWasn't it Gamora that did that, and wouldn't it be Gamora that would be going out?
Meh. He WAS trying to hurt her, and she was scoring the hits, literally knocking the spit out of him, and basically winning.
Probably.
Was he playing here?(bottom of the scan for my reference)
So, Gamora beat Thanos then, in your words... and you don't consider this, just a teeny bit of pis?
Interesting...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWho are these weaker people?
Weaker people have done it. But not that many with fists. If she completley pwned him, I'd call PIS. As it stands... not so much.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphYa, and that is like three panels of fighting, maybe more.
Not before she fought with him, dodged his blasts and grappled.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphI know... except he was actually being controlled.
He was still the same strength level
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphDo you understand where they were fighting?
His punches weren't that impressive. They made Namor reel a little bit.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphSo I see...
I never mentioned durability. Yeah, I know Mar-Vell's blunt damage is pretty good. But she has her sword.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphYou know... I have yet to actually see you bring something that says this...
And Gamora is more skilled and all...
I know all her feats, I have all the issues she has appeared in.
I still have yet to see, where she unquestionably pawns Mar-Vell in h2h skills.
She might be a little better, but she certainly isn't way better than him, no questions asked.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphUmm... Ronan was doing that AFTER Mar-Vell stopped pounding his ass...
I don't question anything about the fight right up until near the end, where he starts staring into space and not even fighting back as he's pummeled.
Originally posted by bigbranHe was doing fine, and then suddenly becomes mentally deficient and cackles during/after being pummeled, while not even fighting back. Maybe his strength, but none of his skill.
He only showed this after he was put down, like a ho.
It was his duribility, his strength, his speed.
Originally posted by bigbranIn a page or two, Thanos states he'll put her down as fast as possible (though he sticks to melee and blasts)... and then he fails. There were both going out, though not attempting to kill each other. Damage, sure. Not kill.
Wasn't it Gamora that did that, and wouldn't it be Gamora that would be going out?
Unless you really think Thanos was going out...
Originally posted by bigbranHey, if Thanos wanted to kill her, she's be dead. He was just going H2H with her, and blasting at her, with intent to damage, but not kill. He underestimated her, and failed.
So, Gamora beat Thanos then, in your words... and you don't consider this, just a teeny bit of pis?
Interesting...
Originally posted by bigbranWolverine, for one...
Who are these weaker people?
What she did showd have been good enough...
Originally posted by bigbranHey, I named grappling and having the ability to kill him with a mere dagger as strength feats, not skill.
Ya, and that is like three panels of fighting, maybe more.
He cut up the ground directing a blast at her.
Gamora was shown a couple times in-between, doing other things.
Next comic, it comes out of the blue again, and she kicks him, and has him on the ground with her knives to his throat.
I counted five panels of fighting to be honest, six if you count the one where Stardust was flying at her.
Originally posted by bigbranAgain, strength, not skill
I know... except he was actually being controlled.
Ronan was the exact same, except he was only insane at the time (and only showed it, after he got his ass handed to him).
So really...
Originally posted by bigbranIf it's about durability, then I wouldn't discredit the feat. That's fine. But you're building up hitting Namor to be a huge strength feat. Frankly, I could hit him. It wouldn't do a whole lot... but, if you gave me class 10-50 strength, it could knock his head back, and maybe his body a little, and not much more then that was shown. You said yourself, plenty of people have done it to Thanos, who has better durability then Namor...
Do you understand where they were fighting?
Also, he was still knocking him back, where Namor is his strongest, and wasn't getting dazed, or anything, after getting smoked a couple times...
Originally posted by bigbranI specified in the opening post that she gets her sword. I also said he could have his combat powers- no super speed, but strength amping is fine.
So I see...
Again, does Mar-Vell get all his speed, and shit then, since a sword isn't exactly physical, on her end...
But, if she gets her sword, then I'll admit she wins...
Originally posted by bigbranWell, if you think I'm wrong, prove it.
You know... I have yet to actually see you bring something that says this...
Just, that she is more skilled... and that is all.
Originally posted by bigbranA little better is good enough when she has the strength and weapon advantages...
I know all her feats, I have all the issues she has appeared in.
I still have yet to see, where she unquestionably pawns Mar-Vell in h2h skills.
She might be a little better, but she certainly isn't way better than him, no questions asked.
Originally posted by bigbranIt said it was steadily driving him crazy. Not that he suddenly went insane. This implies he was at least partially mentally deficient for the fight, and therefore is not a plausible skill feat. As I said, Terrax was a strength feat. Not to mention, you yourself said Thanos gets hit all the time in a fight. To be hit by the deadliest woman in the universe is not exactly PIS. Plus, I don't really consider Mar-Vell vs. Ronan PIS, so much as simply inapplicable.
Umm... Ronan was doing that AFTER Mar-Vell stopped pounding his ass...
Also, I don't get why you keep saying this, when you bring up a mind controlled Terrax, and her doing what she did to Thanos, and yet, Mar-Vell doing that to Ronan is pis?
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphHe couldn't fight back, because he got blitzed and beat down.
He was doing fine, and then suddenly becomes mentally deficient and cackles during/after being pummeled, while not even fighting back. Maybe his strength, but none of his skill.
Ronan was helpless in that situation, and there was no way he was fighting back at that point.
He also tried fighting back earlier, and he missed everytime he did.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWhen has Thanos's intent, ever been to kill? If so, Jack would have been dead... Surfer would have actually died...
In a page or two, Thanos states he'll put her down as fast as possible (though he sticks to melee and blasts)... and then he fails. There were both going out, though not attempting to kill each other. Damage, sure. Not kill.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphAnd he couldn't even hit her, with those things... if his intent, was to damage, then he should have still been able to hit her...
Hey, if Thanos wanted to kill her, she's be dead. He was just going H2H with her, and blasting at her, with intent to damage, but not kill. He underestimated her, and failed.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph😆
Wolverine, for one...
Huh?
Also, I said hurt, not stab.
Not to mention that was with knives, not fists... nor was it an acceptable feat, since it was pretty f*cking stupid...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphGrappling is skill...
Hey, I named grappling and having the ability to kill him with a mere dagger as strength feats, not skill.
Plus, I don't see how it's a mere dagger, since her sword earlier hit against the Universal Weapon.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphIt was both, because he got Ronan into that situation, didn't he?
Again, strength, not skill
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphIt is a big strength feat...
If it's about durability, then I wouldn't discredit the feat. That's fine. But you're building up hitting Namor to be a huge strength feat. Frankly, I could hit him. It wouldn't do a whole lot... but, if you gave me class 10-50 strength, it could knock his head back, and maybe his body a little, and not much more then that was shown. You said yourself, plenty of people have done it to Thanos, who has better durability then Namor...
Except, you were making it out, for her to hurt him or something... I mean, she made him spit out a bunch of shit and all...
I still don't see how this isn't pis, if it is what you say...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphReading opening posts, are for wussies...
I specified in the opening post that she gets her sword. I also said he could have his combat powers- no super speed, but strength amping is fine.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphThere is nothing to prove wrong, except statements.
Well, if you think I'm wrong, prove it.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphExcept she doesn't have the strength advantage... at least not as how I see it...
A little better is good enough when she has the strength and weapon advantages...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphHe was insane... he wasn't be drive insane.
It said it was steadily driving him crazy. Not that he suddenly went insane. This implies he was at least partially mentally deficient for the fight, and therefore is not a plausible skill feat. As I said, Terrax was a strength feat. Not to mention, you yourself said Thanos gets hit all the time in a fight. To be hit by the deadliest woman in the universe is not exactly PIS. Plus, I don't really consider Mar-Vell vs. Ronan PIS, so much as simply inapplicable.
And, Mar-Vell blitzed him, and took him out. No where in that comic, did I get the sense that Ronan was hindered by his status... and the only time that has been brought up, was after he got spit roasted.
I said, Thanos gets his head turned. I didn't say he misses all the time in a fight though...
It's still the same effect. You're trying to get rid of the feat either way, whether you call it pis, a writer's error, or an illness, the effect is the same.
Captain Marvel was classic sci-fi space opera, with touches of super-heroics. While Marvel was a super-hero, he was fighting more and more sci-fi menaces, as opposed to traditional super-villains. And it was in this setting that Starlin reintroduced Thanos. Thanos, who loved and worshipped Death (a dark motivation for a villain in general, especially so in the seventies), became Marvel’s chief enemy, and the two clashed on numerous occasions, most notably when Thanos obtained the Cosmic Cube and wished himself to godhood. They clashed, and the hero won, and the villain seemed vanquished for good. Not only was Thanos’s demise prematurely reported, but this would be far from his last brush with godhood.
Originally posted by bigbran
He couldn't fight back, because he got blitzed and beat down.
It's like in UFC when they get caught, knocked down, and then repeatidly pummeled before they can do anything...
Originally posted by bigbran
He also tried fighting back earlier, and he missed everytime he did.
Originally posted by bigbranYeah. But he decided to engage Gamora in straight up, H2H combat. He underestimated her when he tried to shut her down as soon as possible. It's not really PIS... she hit him with attacks that probably did little more then phase him, and he didn't hit her, though if he had, she would have been down for the count.
When has Thanos's intent, ever been to kill? If so, Jack would have been dead... Surfer would have actually died...
I mean, I always saw that fight as pis, anyway...
So, Thanos going out can't even hit Gamora?
Originally posted by bigbranHe underestimated her. Pretty simple. As for Maxam... are you referring
And he couldn't even hit her, with those things... if his intent, was to damage, then he should have still been able to hit her...
Also, was this before or after Maxam KOed her... oh ya, 17 comes after 8 right?
Unless, of course, Maxam is faster than Thanos...
Originally posted by bigbranMeh. His head was knocked around a bit, and he faked being hurt by a pressure point. There's not a lot to match there... he's not that heavy, back then she was still really strong, so knocking him back a bit really isn't PIS.
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I give up... honestly I do...Also, I said hurt, not stab.
Not to mention that was with knives, not fists... nor was it an acceptable feat, since it was pretty f*cking stupid...
Originally posted by bigbranWith Terrax's durability, it's pretty damn good for anyone to be able to kill him with a dagger. He believed it could happen, she knew it could... not a lot to contest, there.
Grappling is skill...
So, Terrax can be killed by a mere dagger?
Or, only Gamora can kill him with a mere dagger?
Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, I don't see how it's a mere dagger, since her sword earlier hit against the Universal Weapon.
Originally posted by bigbran
It was both, because he got Ronan into that situation, didn't he?
His strength ended the fight though.
Originally posted by bigbran
It is a big strength feat...
Do you honestly see Venom going to the water, and doing that to Namor?
Also, that was Mar-Vell before a couple of upgrades.
He also showed his skills, and shit underwater, against the best underwater.
Originally posted by bigbranPssh. I wouldn't think Gamora could effectivley hurt someone who needs to take a bit of a breather after going through a black hole... she justknocked him in the head, literally knocking the spit oout of him,as seen in the scan. I mean, she damaged him... he looks temporarily in pain after the pressure point attack, but it's not like he wasn't fine seconds later.
Except, you were making it out, for her to hurt him or something... I mean, she made him spit out a bunch of shit and all...
I still don't see how this isn't pis, if it is what you say...
Originally posted by bigbranI said she gets her sword (since she almost always has a weapon on her), and they get their usual gear.
Reading opening posts, are for wussies...
Plus, I still don't see how she gets a weapon though, but everyone else doesn't. Does Mar-Vell get a Kree gun then?
Originally posted by bigbranThen, tell me why you think he's just as skilled as Gamora.
There is nothing to prove wrong, except statements.
Originally posted by bigbranIt said it had been making him insane, not that he went from sanity to insaanity in seconds. Genis' best feat is a feat, for Insane Genis. If you are arguing that Mar-Vell lay a beatdown on Insane Ronan, go right ahead.
He was insane... he wasn't be drive insane.
Lots of people go insane during comics, and this takes away there feats or something?
I guess Genis's best feat isn't his then...
Originally posted by bigbran
And, Mar-Vell blitzed him, and took him out. No where in that comic, did I get the sense that Ronan was hindered by his status... and the only time that has been brought up, was after he got spit roasted.
Originally posted by bigbranWell, that's a skill thing. And he was underestimating her.
I said, Thanos gets his head turned. I didn't say he misses all the time in a fight though...
Originally posted by bigbranBut, if it's justified...
It's still the same effect. You're trying to get rid of the feat either way, whether you call it pis, a writer's error, or an illness, the effect is the same.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphHe didn't get tackled, he got an extremely pissed Mar-Vell flying at him, at a fast speed, and he got punched down, not tackled.
The Ronan that punks Black Bolt and gives Surfer trouble can't handle being tackled? Could it be because he was mentally ill?
Also, I only remember Ronan capturing BB, and torturing him... also, BB beat him in a duel...
I'm not calling you a liar, but, do you know when it happened?
The only time when he gives Surfer trouble, is when Surfer is being well... Surfer.
Here is Surfer after fighting the Super-Skrull, Skrull armada, etc...
Ronan hit him earlier in the fight, but as soon as it got serious...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphActually, sorry, he did hit him.
If I was a nut case, I probably wouldn't be hitting him either...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphH2h combat involves blasts of energy?
Yeah. But he decided to engage Gamora in straight up, H2H combat. He underestimated her when he tried to shut her down as soon as possible. It's not really PIS... she hit him with attacks that probably did little more then phase him, and he didn't hit her, though if he had, she would have been down for the count.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphShe didn't make a fool of him, actually, Maxam was also blocking some of her attacks.
He underestimated her. Pretty simple. As for Maxam... are you referring
to their first fight, where she made a fool of him and, (having not met him before), got cheap shotted by him after she hurt her hand attacking him, since he boosted his durability, which she didn't know he could do? Or, are you referring to the second fight, where she again made a fool of him, and he never layed a hand on her?
Nope, first fight. Also, the second fight was in a smaller space, and like Maxam said, he can do it all day.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphShe kicked his head hard enough, for him to spit shit out of his mouth... 😐
Meh. His head was knocked around a bit, and he faked being hurt by a pressure point. There's not a lot to match there... he's not that heavy, back then she was still really strong, so knocking him back a bit really isn't PIS.
Thor didn't even do as much damage to Thanos as Gamora did... 😐
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWait... he can be killed with an average dagger (now...), how exactly does this reflect back onto Gamora?
With Terrax's durability, it's pretty damn good for anyone to be able to kill him with a dagger. He believed it could happen, she knew it could... not a lot to contest, there.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphSo, what you're saying, is that a normal dagger can kill a herald of Galactus?
I don't believe it was ever stated on panel that what she had was anything more then a micellaneous dagger. Don't speculate.
I'm not speculating, I'm trying to find out how it would be possible...
Also, her weapons seem to be stronger, and if a normal dagger from anywhere could kill Terrax...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphYes it was skill...
Yeah, but it wasn't skill, because Ronan was temporarily retarded.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphAnyway... that was Mar-Vell's weakest form, his less skilled form, etc.
Yeah...I do. Strength-wise, anyways. He porbably wouldn't be skilled enough, but Venom never demonstrated extraordianry amounts of skill...
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph😐
Pssh. I wouldn't think Gamora could effectivley hurt someone who needs to take a bit of a breather after going through a black hole... she justknocked him in the head, literally knocking the spit oout of him,as seen in the scan. I mean, she damaged him... he looks temporarily in pain after the pressure point attack, but it's not like he wasn't fine seconds later.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphShe doesn't always have a weapon.
I said she gets her sword (since she almost always has a weapon on her), and they get their usual gear.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphBecause of his cosmic awareness, that he uses in his fights. He finds weak spots with it, strategies, etc.
Then, tell me why you think he's just as skilled as Gamora.
I still like the beating five Iron Man level beings myself, though.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphOK, I've heard enough of this...
It said it had been making him insane, not that he went from sanity to insaanity in seconds. Genis' best feat is a feat, for Insane Genis. If you are arguing that Mar-Vell lay a beatdown on Insane Ronan, go right ahead.
He was cackling madly immediatley after getting the snot beat out of him... unless you're suggesting he went insane directly after Mar-Vell stopped hitting him, then he wasn't in the right mind for previous to the beatdown...
Again, he was insane, not retarded.
Also, he did almost exactly what he did when he fought the first incarnation of Mar-Vell. He hit him with energy.
I really don't see any difference, in power/whatever, between this Ronan, and "Ronan".
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphEnough that he couldn't hit her?
Well, that's a skill thing. And he was underestimating her.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphIt is.
But, if it's justified...
Originally posted by Validus
I do too but you aren't supposed to. It's a typo that comes from trying to hit the shift key so it only works in text. Saying it just defeats the purpose. It's the same thing if you try to pronounce the P in pwned. It's really pronounced as owned.Ahem. 😐
bumped. why you ask? I don't know.
yvalidys, pwning, is like in a game of chess. another piece, you see, owns the pawn, hence it's an act of pwning. people at my school now say pwned in their normal vocabulary. It's great to Learn....
