Originally posted by Superherovandal
Hello...Fernus is Jonn nonjobbering and he was easily controlling world leaders, and lobotomizing villains and mass hypnotizing individuals to kill The JLA's close ones. He didn't show any signs of weakness. It was like child's play. And this was all while fighting the Justice League. So Xavier is not more powerful.
didn't fernus get beat by plastic man nuff said
not to mention onslaught wiping the floor with various team and the only reason they ever seemed to get the upper hand was according to his design
Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
Most comics, if they refer to Xavier as a mutant, refer to him as having the greatest mutant mind, not being the greatest mutant telepath. Despite what most people on here say, I still think that Xavier is pretty much the best at what he does. Sure, there are more people with more power (including Jean and all of her children). But there aren't very many that are more skilled. Even Strange's feats as a TP, while on the surface are more powerful, are more limited in scope.I think there are a couple reasons for that. Strange's telepathy is based in mysticism. So while the application may be similar in certain cases, the foundation is very different. Of course, Magneto aslo screwed with the Earth's magnetic field to make life more difficult for TPs. When he's been off world, his range has been pretty good. And then there's the skill factor...
Honestly, all things considered, I do think Xavier could take down 99.8% of all the world's TPs, except for the top, top tier: Jean, Emma, Strange, maybe Moondragon. But the fact that Xavier has been operationg so long and certain aspects of his character are just coming to light say to me that not only is he good, but he's damned good at covering his tracks.
you serously thing that jean (non phinox), Emma, and moondragon are beyond x in power. When any of those creates a being that can take down the avengers, x-men, and ff then they can talk but not untill then.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Do you want me to show you how much Pis was in that or will you take the option of retracting that before i bring down 10 tons of pwnage....
No need to bring the pwnage. Save it for another day.
Btw, I know its been a while since I read that arc but did Plas actually beat J'onn? Best I can remember he was struggling to contain Fernus the whole time
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Do you want me to show you how much Pis was in that or will you take the option of retracting that before i bring down 10 tons of pwnage....
Couldn't the same be said for Onslaught? I mean it didn't really explain how just because Chuck absorbed Mags personality, he somehow got his powers as well. Plus it took the combined efforts of The X-men, Avengers, FF, X-man and Franklin Richards to merely defeat Onslaught (Yet Hulk did the most damage to a creature made of telepathic energy 🙄 ) and it took a sacrifice of the Avengers and FF to stop him as well ✅
Originally posted by willRules
Couldn't the same be said for Onslaught? I mean it didn't really explain how just because Chuck absorbed Mags personality, he somehow got his powers as well. Plus it took the combined efforts of The X-men, Avengers, FF, X-man and Franklin Richards to merely defeat Onslaught (Yet Hulk did the most damage to a creature made of telepathic energy 🙄 ) and it took a sacrifice of the Avengers and FF to stop him as well ✅
yeah somehow when a tp makes can make their tp come into the physical world they can do what ever they want with it kinda like casondra nova. They can just kinda write what ever gentic code they want into the psy armor. I still don't understand but oh well that's comics for you. and yeah your right about onslaught and how much it took to take him down (which nearly all of it was according to his plan).
Originally posted by jasofisc
you serously thing that jean (non phinox), Emma, and moondragon are beyond x in power. When any of those creates a being that can take down the avengers, x-men, and ff then they can talk but not untill then.
In a straight up battle between Charles and any of these women, it could go either way depending on the circumstances.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Out of curiosity, what non-PIS feats does Apoc have that put him so clearly over Xavier?
You asked for it. 😛
Apocalypse mentally controls his Celestial tech.
Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane.
Nuff said? 😛
Edit: Missed one. Apoc mindblasts Xavier.
Apocalypse, despite being weakened from an early awakening and a virus from Sinister, mindblasts Jean (Phoenix power too!)
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You asked for it. 😛Apocalypse mentally controls his Celestial tech.
Apocalypse telekinetically raising his palace from under the ground
Apocalypse takes a full telekinetic blast from Exodus with no effect, and blasts Exodus away. Apocalypse also creates a force field able to hold and even pre-powerdown Exodus.
Apocalypse mind controlled the Inhuman population including the Dark Riders. Especially good, because Psynapse (one of the inhumans) is a very powerful psychic, with his own section of the astral plane.
Nuff said? 😛
Edit: Missed one. Apoc mindblasts Xavier.
Apocalypse, despite being weakened from an early awakening and a virus from Sinister, mindblasts Jean (Phoenix power too!)
for one, that castle feat is definitely not TK. there's no power signature.
for two, that shit means shit to xavier. read his respect thread.