Originally posted by olympian
When did Takuma lost to Geese? When he was defeated by Ryo and stopped being at Mr Big`s orders he had nothing to do with Geese anymore. IIRC, Geese wasen`t even at the city during the particular events of AOF1.And yes. Takuma, at most versions.
At least someone recognizes the awesome power of Mr.Karate/Takuma!!!!
Originally posted by brainchild81
1.Haven't seen AOF as that high ever to be honest.
2.Did he lose to Geese or not?
1- Mr Karate was top tier/boss. The problem is, that in those games, the "heroes" were about that level as well. Ryo alone had supers where we would steal 100% someone`s life. He was kind of like Terry, that he had to be toned down later in KOF. The fact that he only won by a hair screams "tough" for me.
However the KOF Mr Karate in some versions is definatly even higher than the AOF Mr Karate, tho. Like the `98 version or SVC Chaos.
2- They never fougth in the early games if you are talking about story modes. He was hired with the porpuse to kill Jeff, and we all know who wanted to hire him. There was no way he was low even by original`s standarts.
Originally posted by Remulous
I must agree. I don't think the AOFers are as powerful as the KOF and FF guys, they had too hard a time with a still bad ass, yet weaker version of Geese.
The KOF versions of some characters for the most part are higher, no doubt. But some are lower than they were in those games, like Robert.
I don`t also agree with the assertion that the AOF guys were weaker than the FF ones. Geese was younger in AOF2, but so was Ryo. He was around 21/22 and four years younger than the boss itself. By the time Terry takes in, Ryo (by supossition) already takes his father`s mantle and only gets more powerful.
Originally posted by olympianOutside of AOF Ryo has won nothing, or beat anyone worth mentioning, so IMO, this either means that he hasn't got stronger or the KOFers are really powerful OR SNK has completely neglected one of his veterans. Not to mention that most of the KOFers are like young high schoolers who always win over Ryo.
The KOF versions of some characters for the most part are higher, no doubt. But some are lower than they were in those games, like Robert.I don`t also agree with the assertion that the AOF guys were weaker than the FF ones. Geese was younger in AOF2, but so was Ryo. He was around 21/22 and four years younger than the boss itself. By the time Terry takes in, Ryo (by supossition) already takes his father`s mantle and only gets more powerful.
Originally posted by Remulous
Outside of AOF Ryo has won nothing, or beat anyone worth mentioning, so IMO, this either means that he hasn't got stronger or the KOFers are really powerful OR SNK has completely neglected one of his veterans. Not to mention that most of the KOFers are like young high schoolers who always win over Ryo.
Nah. F**k him. Showing respect to vets is only cool when it's a vet that deserves it. Terry, as much as I don't like him, is an original character whose popularity isn't far from that of Iori & Kyo's. The same can't be said about Ryo. If you gotta show an SNK vet respect let it be Terry, not the "hero" who lead his series to certain doom.
Originally posted by RemulousDitto. I can't really respect the Suckazaki clan when they've claimed to have the strongest style and their team comprised of THREE masters of it can't get the job done when fighting against team's w/one tough guy & 2 losers. (Terry's/Kyo's)
Outside of AOF Ryo has won nothing, or beat anyone worth mentioning, so IMO, this either means that he hasn't got stronger or the KOFers are really powerful OR SNK has completely neglected one of his veterans. Not to mention that most of the KOFers are like young high schoolers who always win over Ryo.
Originally posted by Remulous
Outside of AOF Ryo has won nothing, or beat anyone worth mentioning, so IMO, this either means that he hasn't got stronger or the KOFers are really powerful OR SNK has completely neglected one of his veterans. Not to mention that most of the KOFers are like young high schoolers who always win over Ryo.
Its not a secret of state that Ryo in KOF isent up to the AOF "levels" like Terry isent to FF.
Talking about AOF now, outside of Geese, Ryo has *only* encountered the likes of Mr Karate, Robert, King and Mr Big. Does this list looks low to you? They were all top tiers.
So yes, they couldnt have gotten stronger in KOF because by defination they lack the same experience and level.
Originally posted by brainchild81
Ditto. I can't really respect the Suckazaki clan when they've claimed to have the strongest style and their team comprised of THREE masters of it can't get the job done when fighting against team's w/one tough guy & 2 losers. (Terry's/Kyo's)
One Master and two rookies you mean. Three if you count, Yuri.
😆 Maybe you're not paying attention again mane. Rem was talking about them neglecting another vet. Apparentely SNK already has defined it since Ryo ain't been in the finals in the KOF game centered timeline EVER(You said you'd answer my questions about this a while ago, but you never did). Just expressing my opinion mane. AOF has always been a 2nd class series because of second class hero compared to FF, hence Terry's always been a good deal more popular than Ryo. Ryo seems to be one of SNK's least popular heroes. I've seen the heroes for most of their games involved in anime for the series. Ryo & AOF hasn't IIRC
Originally posted by olympianBased on what? What have they done?
Talking about AOF now, outside of Geese, Ryo has *only* encountered the likes of Mr Karate, Robert, King and Mr Big. Does this list looks low to you? They were all top tiers.
Originally posted by olympianWell they all got black belts. I should have defined it better. They had a master(takuma) & 2 highest level students (Robert & Ryo)w/experience working together & friendship & they still didn't get that far even w/"the strongest style". What other teams had masters around that time?
One Master and two rookies you mean. Three if you count, Yuri.
Originally posted by olympianHe aint de-aged, he was as old as he was in the first AOF. My point is even if Ryo was a rookie, he was far older then Kyo was when he first appeared and his game came out first. SNK basicly took one of their vets and turned him into another character.
KOF Ryo is de-aged. He was a rookie when he entered KOF in 94, same as Kyo. The versions aren`t the same.Its not a secret of state that Ryo in KOF isent up to the AOF "levels" like Terry isent to FF.
Talking about AOF now, outside of Geese, Ryo has *only* encountered the likes of Mr Karate, Robert, King and Mr Big. Does this list looks low to you? They were all top tiers.
Ryo is up to his AOF level in the times of KOF 2000-XI. Terry is at his Garou level in 2003.
KOF is a great game, but the way they do their characters of other franchises is just bogus. And every KOF boss is stronger the any FF or AOF boss as well and no one from AOF or FF really have in big part in taking down the KOF bosses. The AOF and FF characters are just there to fill in the roster.