Ryu vs Takuma Sakazaki · Games 'Versus' Forum

brainchild81 Privateer

Originally posted by P-Geyser
He did through 94 and 95.....wait yes it has been stated that Kyo has been the KOF champion three times in row(what happened to Goro and Beni)plus he is the champ in the afjc.

Not just talking about 94 & 95. He's shared the glory in other years. Terry never did ANY sharing in FF.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Yeah like Kyo "shared" the glory back in his first apperance in 94 even though KOF is a team effort. Yeah so end of disscussion.

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Originally posted by P-Geyser
Has Terry been laid the f**k out in any game?...hello KOF.

Who laid him the f*ck out?

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Even though FF is different from KOF, I feel that it is connected. While Terry beat two strong bosses, Kyo and the rest of the flame user pack fight gods. And yes we seem to be reapeating ourselves in a f**King circle. Jesus Christ! I wish they would make another FF game so Andy and Joe can have glory but guess what? Playmore does not wish to do that. They would rather make KOF after KOF after KOF where you guess it Kyo and the flamesquad with their saving the day B.S. routine! so yeah end of f**king disscussion.

😆 nice rant. Come on now though. Be serious. They can make all the FFs they want. We know that if Terry's there Andy & Joe won't have sh*t. Same as it always was. Don't be silly.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
The POINT is MOTW'S was not a Terry wankfest but the introduction to a new hero being Rock Howard. No I dont have sites to the AOF anniversary.

If Terry beat the hero in a series where the hero never loses, that's much worse than a wankfest🙁

Originally posted by P-Geyser
According to Sado and I think(got to check) Lantis YES. Usually in KOF, it would seem all of the fighters(including Terry and rest)get laid out and Kyo(with Iori and Chizuri sometimes)comes in to save the day.

Then it's not ALL of the fighters. Whenever Terry had help they always seemed to get beat up so quickly that it's as if they weren't there. Kyo is sharing the glory w/Iori & Chiz since they are fighting w/him to the END of the battle. Terry is getting ALL the glory in FF.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
It was not Terry I believe. As I said Rock's time to shine.

I hope you are right, but seeing the way they di*keat Terry, I doubt it. I really want to know the results of Rock v. Terry.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
The only thing that was lame about wm 23, is Kahli and John Cena's never ending title reighn.

Batista was there also 🙁

olympian Senior Member

Originally posted by brainchild81
Based on what? What have they done?

Besides you know, figthing up close an over the top Ryo?

hey, Robert beat Mr Big, thats something.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Well they all got black belts. I should have defined it better. They had a master(takuma) & 2 highest level students (Robert & Ryo)w/experience working together & friendship & they still didn't get that far even w/"the strongest style". What other teams had masters around that time?

Did they even had black belts at the time?

Doesnt really matter, tho. Besides being watered down versions of the originals, they didnt had any experience in tournments. Just like Kyo.

The only vet who had some, and wasent enterily retconned for this particular timeline, was Terry.

Masters....Kyo`s father? Wasent in 94 or 95 that there was a team only made by "old gessers"?

Originally posted by brainchild81
😆 Maybe you're not paying attention again mane. Rem was talking about them neglecting another vet. Apparentely SNK already has defined it since Ryo ain't been in the finals in the KOF game centered timeline EVER(You said you'd answer my questions about this a while ago, but you never did). Just expressing my opinion mane. AOF has always been a 2nd class series because of second class hero compared to FF, hence Terry's always been a good deal more popular than Ryo. Ryo seems to be one of SNK's least popular heroes. I've seen the heroes for most of their games involved in anime for the series. Ryo & AOF hasn't IIRC

lol.

I know what he said. I can read.

I dont agree with the stance that vets in one timeline have to be the same level in another. KOF isent Terry`s or Ryo`s show. Its the flame orgy show. So everything you just said, its bullocks.

And i frankly dont see Ryo as Terry popular either, who ever claimed that?

Originally posted by Remulous
He aint de-aged, he was as old as he was in the first AOF..

...and being in his early 20`s in 94 is the de-age.

He was old as the first AOF in a game that happened in 94. By that time he should be shy of 30`s and with a KOF belt, wich under that timeline, never happened.

Originally posted by Remulous
My point is even if Ryo was a rookie, he was far older then Kyo was when he first appeared and his game came out first. SNK basicly took one of their vets and turned him into another character..

Ryo in 94 was in the early 20`s, Kyo was 18. I dont see much difference at all. And thanks to the story change, Kyo ironically had more tournment history by this point, than he had.

olympian Senior Member

Originally posted by Remulous

And every KOF boss is stronger the any FF or AOF boss as well and no one from AOF or FF really have in big part in taking down the KOF bosses. The AOF and FF characters are just there to fill in the roster.

Every boss? Its debatable.

And one really shouldnt expect them to beat any on theyr own, in a franchise whose main eventers are the "other" type of figthers.

I find the whole "whos more valid" controversy to be quite dumb in fact. Both kind of protagonists have they`r own timeline to shine and be the main guns.

...

And Cena kept the belt?

Oh boredeness. Finish it up already.

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Remulous
3rd Strike's plot was Gill wanting to become the savior, hosting the SF3 tournament, and Alex wanting to get revenge so he beats Gill but loses to Ryu. End of SFIII

That's double impact bucko.

Originally posted by Remulous
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Alpha 3 was simple, Bison wanted to take Ryu's body and take over the world and the SF gang stopped him.

Not really, no one wanted to stop bison except for people associated with shadoloo or investigating it.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

What part? He got beat by Ryu in his 3rd strike ending. If that's what you meant. I wasn't sure.

brainchild81 Privateer

Originally posted by olympian
Besides you know, figthing up close an over the top Ryo?
hey, Robert beat Mr Big, thats something.

😐If you say so

Originally posted by olympian
Did they even had black belts at the time?

Yeah. Look @ the art from that time. Ryo never appeared w/out one IIRC. Robert wasn't wearing a gi.

Originally posted by olympian
Doesnt really matter, tho. Besides being watered down versions of the originals, they didnt had any experience in tournments. Just like Kyo.

OK. So that earlier thing about Ryo having won 1 KOF whereas Iori hasn't means nothing since it's been retconned then. AWESOME!!!!!!

Originally posted by olympian
The only vet who had some, and wasent enterily retconned for this particular timeline, was Terry.
Masters....Kyo`s father? Wasent in 94 or 95 that there was a team only made by "old gessers"?

You must have missed the "that time" part. You're talking about a later year I think. Saisyu, Takuma & I think Heidern are what you speak of I think

Originally posted by olympian
lol. I know what he said. I can read.

🙂Not trying to be a smart@ss. It just seems like you have a VERY hard time grasping certain concepts. This wouldn't be the 1st time you read one thing and got something totally wrong from it

Originally posted by olympian
I dont agree with the stance that vets in one timeline have to be the same level in another. KOF isent Terry`s or Ryo`s show. Its the flame orgy show. So everything you just said, its bullocks.

🙂You don't seem to be making sense again. Highlight what I said that's "bullocks". I'm guessing this is another one of those time when you don't understand or take another poster's words as mine.

Originally posted by olympian
And i frankly dont see Ryo as Terry popular either, who ever claimed that?

Nobody. That was for Rem. I'm explaining how Ryo not getting any props in KOF is fine. He don't deserve 'em. F**k Ripoff Suckazaki

King Nothing Who knows?

Ryu will pull off a victory, if this is Ryu by the time of 3rd Strike, anyway.

brainchild81 Privateer

Agreed

olympian Senior Member

Originally posted by brainchild81
😐If you say so .

I do. And Mr Big was another, guess it: Top tier.

Robert also fougth in the semis of the KOF tournment in AOF2 against Ryo, albeigh he lost that one. It was again close, tho since they wer more or less equals overall.

Originally posted by brainchild81
:Yeah. Look @ the art from that time. Ryo never appeared w/out one IIRC. Robert wasn't wearing a gi.

I guess. But they still hardly had any experience in tourneys. Even Kyo who was two years younger, had more. Its got to factor in it.

Originally posted by brainchild81
😮K. So that earlier thing about Ryo having won 1 KOF whereas Iori hasn't means nothing since it's been retconned then. AWESOME!!!!!!

? I think i always made myself clear that the two timelines conflict each other. I will obviously use that element when we discuss the whole history of both characters, tho, since it belongs there. Just like giving Meira its due, even if MI isent exatcly Iori`s or Kyo`s "KOF" either.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I'm explaining how Ryo not getting any props in KOF is fine.

He obviously does, even if you do the blinding act about it. Everytime the best figthers are talked about, it`s consistantly about: Kyo, Ryo, Terry, Iori, K`, and now Ash. And it is for a reason. He is one of the BEST. Even toned down.

What he (or Terry for that matter), don`t have anymore in KOF is the timelight wich are due to protagonists, since its not they`r story.

Wich I am perfectly fine with, since it was never meant to be. They already had theyr`s. Let new faces show up.

olympian Senior Member

Originally posted by King Nothing
Ryu will pull off a victory, if this is Ryu by the time of 3rd Strike, anyway.

Oh i agree.

Other versions of Ryu mostly lose against something of a 98` Takuma, tho. That version was a beast.

Darkstorm Zero Master of all Decepticons

If this was his Mr. Karate or Serious Mr. Karate incarnations, I wouldn't even need to comment, since Ryu would lose horribly. but Taku's been watered down so badly when using his own persona, that the only version of him worth mentioning (As Oly has pointed out) was the '98 version. But as said, Ryu as of SF3 3rd Strike kicks his but with a Joudan Sakotsu Geri and Sakazaki goesflying off the stage.

Tha C-Master Zitz! Rash! Pimple!

Summed it up quite well.

brainchild81 Privateer

Originally posted by olympian
I do. And Mr Big was another, guess it: Top tier.
Robert also fougth in the semis of the KOF tournment in AOF2 against Ryo, albeigh he lost that one. It was again close, tho since they wer more or less equals overall.
I guess. But they still hardly had any experience in tourneys. Even Kyo who was two years younger, had more. Its got to factor in it.
? I think i always made myself clear that the two timelines conflict each other. I will obviously use that element when we discuss the whole history of both characters, tho, since it belongs there.

Nah. Not really. I've been saying it for the longest. When we compare the 2 it's irrelevant since
1. Iori wasn't around(seriouisly who cares what he did when Iori wasn't around to stop him?) & 2. It hasn't happened in a universe that contains both of them. It's like the only thing you could use to back him up vs. Iori was something that didn't happen. Lame

Originally posted by olympian
He obviously does, even if you do the blinding act about it. Everytime the best figthers are talked about, it`s consistantly about: Kyo, Ryo, Terry, Iori, K`, and now Ash. And it is for a reason. He is one of the BEST. Even toned down.
What he (or Terry for that matter), don`t have anymore in KOF is the timelight wich are due to protagonists, since its not they`r story.
Wich I am perfectly fine with, since it was never meant to be. They already had theyr`s. Let new faces show up.

Terry still has a lil' shine. He seems to consistantly get farther than Ryo's team does. I haven't heard them mention Terry or Ryo that much since Ash showed up to be honest.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That's double impact bucko.
Not really, no one wanted to stop bison except for people associated with shadoloo or investigating it.

- 3rd Strike is nothing but a more in depth version or an expansion of Double Impact, not a complete advancement in the story.

- I meant they wanted to stop Bison from taking Ryu's body and the others wanted to stop him from taking over the world. The whole plot was a good guy versus bad guy thing.

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Remulous
- 3rd Strike is nothing but a more in depth version or an expansion of Double Impact, not a complete advancement in the story.

No, it's not, Third Strike is the epilogue of the Street Fighter 3 tournament. Just like Alpha 2 was the epilogue of the Street Fighter 1 Tournament, they both take place one year later.

Originally posted by Remulous

- I meant they wanted to stop Bison from taking Ryu's body and the others wanted to stop him from taking over the world. The whole plot was a good guy versus bad guy thing.

I know what your saying, but I'm just commenting on how alpha 3 was bad in terms of story.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it's not, Third Strike is the epilogue of the Street Fighter 3 tournament. Just like Alpha 2 was the epilogue of the Street Fighter 1 Tournament, they both take place one year later.
I know what your saying, but I'm just commenting on how alpha 3 was bad in terms of story.

No dude. I'm telling you, every different SF series takes place at the same time or VERY shortly after each other. I use to think that every new SF as an advancements in the plot as well, but it's more of an elaboration on the same game with each game in the Alpha, 2, III, and EX series.

Every new SF for every new series is like the SF2s.

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Remulous
No dude. I'm telling you, every different SF series takes place at the same time or VERY shortly after each other. I use to think that every new SF as an advancements in the plot as well, but it's more of an elaboration on the same game with each game in the Alpha, 2, III, and EX series.
Every new SF for every new series is like the SF2s.

Prove it, where is the canon evidence behind this claim.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Prove it, where is the canon evidence behind this claim.

Cuz it was said that the makers of SF said that there really was no on going story and that each game took place in it's own dimension or something like that.

Example...

Street Fighter III = SF2

Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact: Giant Attack = Street Fighter:Champion Edition

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future = Street Fighter Turbo: Hyper Fighting

They're just updates, not completely different games with new stories because if this is the case, SF III 3rd Strike could very well be considered SF4.

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by Remulous
Cuz it was said that the makers of SF said that there really was no on going story and that each game took place in it's own dimension or something like that.
Example...
Street Fighter III = SF2
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact: Giant Attack = Street Fighter:Champion Edition
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future = Street Fighter Turbo: Hyper Fighting
They're just updates, not completely different games with new stories because if this is the case, SF III 3rd Strike could very well be considered SF4.

Ah, crap, I forgot about that. You know capcom saying that means there is no canon right.
Since funiizu quit, not to mention that it makes no sense. Stupid capcom

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Ah, crap, I forgot about that. You know capcom saying that means there is no canon right.
Since funiizu quit, not to mention that it makes no sense. Stupid capcom

Capcom really F**KED up, big time. I guess there is still a story but there is only one canon game that connects it to the other series of SF for each series. I guess.

If there really is no canon, what Ryu is the real Ryu?