Originally posted by Kurash
do you know that for a fact, i havent read the comic in years, but did it actually say juggs didnt have his forcefield up?
well i don't know definitively. But it would make sense. Juggs took a godblast with his forcefield on, a blast that would hurt even Mighty Galactus.
Without his forcefield, he is suscetible to be knocked around.
The team have 3/10 chance of winning if they follow my plan
1 day of prep - Apoc amps Doctor Doom with as much celestial tech as humanly possible. Magneto does a time-jump thanks to Dooms time-machine and ovioid body switches with his younger self (Joseph I believe ? ) , he then time jumps once more to a early primitive earth and absorbs the sum total of the planets magnetic force.
While this is happening Doom is teaching Juggs to tap into the Cytorrak Gem (Hey , Doom IS the second in line to Sorcerer Supreme ! ). Get ready for Juggy who can...
ATTRIBUTE AUGMENTATION - Controlled subconciously by an unknown influence,The Juggernaut was innately able to self-augment his strength to the point where Thor exclaimed it had "swelled a hundred fold". On another occasion The Juggernaut grew to some 100 feet in height when under the control of an outside force. Although it was not stated his strength presumably grew proportionately with his height.
REALITY WARPING - Heeding an outside influence,The Juggernaut once pulled the physical body of Charles Xavier from across town through Xavier's own astral form.
MYSTIC ENERGY PROJECTION - The Juggernaut has been observed firing bolts of mystic energy from his hands to shrink a giant Nightmare down to his own size to better combat him.
DIMENSION RIFTING - Controlled by an outside force,The Juggernaut's power was unleashed to the point where he was literally punching holes into other dimensions with his fists.
POWER PROJECTION - In the past The Juggernaut was seen firing globules of energy from his body into a long-range barrage attack.(This is a forgotten ability moreso than an untapped power).
Now all this is done they step into battle wherein.
1. Juggernaut attacks , clean out pimp smacks Darkseid around for at least a minute keeping him off balance and off focus.
2. In this time Doom binds Darksied within the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak , unbreakable and inescapable. Save for the wielders lack of focus (thanks to Apoc though Doom can now focus for an insane amount of time).
3. Apoc Grows as large as possible and begins stomping on Darksied , while magneto is slowly opening a black hole. Once fully opened he then tears all the blood from Darkseid s body (or drops every single piece of metal on the planet on top of DS) before flinging him into the black hole.
4. Doom then seals the black hole permanently , before locking onto DS's astral form , pulling it loose and destroying it. Finally they then send ALL the contents of said black hole backwards in time to the beginning of Existence.
DS get's the Braniac 13 treatment.
They Win !
The Sheer rediculousness of This thread. SOme Idiot said ww was able to deflect the OE so juggs should. First off, WW's shield is SUperior To any shield in comics that I"m aware of that is not produced by someone like Galactus. 2ndly, WW was able to deflect the OE becuz part of her soul WAS in DS.
Now let's take a look at how DS beats Them.
He's far stronger than Juggy. He even survived a solarsystem blast from the ALE. None of These guys can destroy a solar system on thier own.
DS has controlled 3 billion Daxamites. He can control these guys with ease.
Or he Turns anyone of them into his heralds. He's done this before. The Infinity man beats all of these guys 8 ways to sunday and DS still was able to OE the IM away.
DS Mind Rapes Magneto and Dr. Doom, Pummels Apoc into submission with His fist, and Reality manips the Juggy into a Rock. Or Simply OE's him into an invulnerable new born baby.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Or reality manipulates all of them...
I love how this one scan is being used to supply Darkseid with the win, when it's been retconned into never actually happened.
These lone feats of reality manipulation don't count, since due to Zero Hour, this never occurred.
And Darkseid is subject to retcons, as is any other character.
He can win some, but it won't be due to feats that actually never happened.
And he won't be mindraping Juggy due to the helmet, and Magneto and Doom both have willpowers that allow them to resist high level tp.
Their consistent record against tp > Darkseid using tp in an arc that's never happened.