We made them look bad in 300. Oye...
Originally posted by Robtard
See, Iran has released the 15 British personal to the Iranian-British embassy and they'll be flown back to the U.K. this Thursday.
I wonder what the deal with the English was... Unless Iran just wanted to create a huge media circus and some good publicity, they did came out looking better then England after this entire situation...
Originally posted by Fishy
I wonder what the deal with the English was... Unless Iran just wanted to create a huge media circus and some good publicity, they did came out looking better then England after this entire situation...
I do think it a publicity stunt, as I think Iran knew from the start that it would be releasing the Brits after some posturing and chest beating.
Not sure if Iran came out looking "better" though, as the question to whether the sailors where in Iranian waters (or not) can be verified via impartial third parties.
Originally posted by Robtard
I do think it a publicity stunt, as I think Iran knew from the start that it would be releasing the Brits after some posturing and chest beating.Not sure if Iran came out looking "better" though, as the question to whether the sailors where in Iranian waters (or not) can be verified via impartial third parties.
Does that really matter?
At this moment in time we have two party's both without any real credibility claiming they are right and the other party is lying.
Iran showed it's power by taking British sailors and getting away with it and then their mercy by just releasing them.
Their people will see a powerful leader with respect for other people who does not want war, even though many will claim he does. The other nations will see an Iran that in a border dispute choice the wisest and smartest option while Britain refused to even acknowledge the possibility it was wrong.
That's what the people will see and if in a few days the news will report on how the British were indeed in Iraqi waters (which by the way won't happen because the water borders between Iran and Iraq aren't really what you would call clear) all the people will remember is that Iran released them anyways...
That's going to be the outcome that's what people will remember in a few years.
I don't know if Iran made a deal with England or not but even if they didn't they played a smart game here.
Although I wouldn't be at all surprised if the United States stops attacking the Iranian embassy in Iraq or withdraws it forces from the Iraq Iran border in a few days/weeks
Originally posted by Fishy
Does that really matter?At this moment in time we have two party's both without any real credibility claiming they are right and the other party is lying.
Iran showed it's power by taking British sailors and getting away with it and then their mercy by just releasing them.
Their people will see a powerful leader with respect for other people who does not want war, even though many will claim he does. The other nations will see an Iran that in a border dispute choice the wisest and smartest option while Britain refused to even acknowledge the possibility it was wrong.
That's what the people will see and if in a few days the news will report on how the British were indeed in Iraqi waters (which by the way won't happen because the water borders between Iran and Iraq aren't really what you would call clear) all the people will remember is that Iran released them anyways...
That's going to be the outcome that's what people will remember in a few years.
I don't know if Iran made a deal with England or not but even if they didn't they played a smart game here.
Although I wouldn't be at all surprised if the United States stops attacking the Iranian embassy in Iraq or withdraws it forces from the Iraq Iran border in a few days/weeks
Yes, it does indeed matter... If England wanted to pursue it further they could call in a third party to verify who's intel was wrong. Considering Britain wasn't lying, they would make Iran to be lying fools.
I doubt that will ever happen though, England has it's people; it's happy. Iran got to posture and beat it's chest; it's happy too.
I hoenstly don't think Iran came out of this looking good at all. To me, at least, what it looks like is that Iran realizes that it's wrong and released the sailors and marines. They couldn't pursue the situation unless they had solid evidence that Britain was in the wrong.
That's what I'll remember in a few eyars.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, it does indeed matter... If England wanted to pursue it further they could call in a third party to verify who's intel was wrong. Considering Britain wasn't lying, they would make Iran to be lying fools.I doubt that will ever happen though, England has it's people; it's happy. Iran got to posture and beat it's chest; it's happy too.
And who will remember that? Okay sure a lot of people will especially in England but beyond that a lot of people will forget that soon enough.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
It is the hieght of idiocy to try and make out that Iran and the UK have similar credibility. That is absolute stupidity. Iran's credibility in the world is zero- rock bottom. Trying to say the UK's is similar is trash.Iran's blinked here, simple as that.
Yeah that's what I thought too until I read some discussion boards that were talking about this shit, it was surprising how many believed Iran or at least thought that England could be lying just as easily seeing as they did with the nuclear weapon things as well...
Personally I would believe England far sooner then Iran but a lot of people apparently would not, and people in the Middle East would definitely not believe England over Iran fast... And that is still where Iran needs to get it's power from. Country's already hated Iran they have lost nothing with this action from them.
Originally posted by KinnearyArguing is pretty hard, huh? Try again, genius.
Oh, okay. You're an idiot. Well, now that that's been established we can move on.
At least Iran's leader releases invaders, America still holds innocent people, abducted from anywhere (even european countries such as germany), captive without chances of fair trial or basic human rights.
All those paranoid hypocrites afraid that other countries have access to the same weapons of mass destruction they have themselves shouldn't be allowed to do politics.
And to all people who are outraged by white military people held captive for a while: "Cry some more"
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Why did the Iranians captured the British if they were not at war ?
To show the "West" it's defiance and to show other Islamic regimes that it is a bad-ass who won't be pushed.
Iran fears that European nations will join in with America on negating Iran's nuclear program, this was just a show to say "Don't mess with us, we're not scared" and "Look, we can be compassionate and diplomatic."
Originally posted by Robtard
To show the "West" it's defiance and to show other Islamic regimes that it is a bad-ass who won't be pushed.Iran fears that European nations will join in with America on negating Iran's nuclear program, this was just a show to say "Don't mess with us, we're not scared" and "Look, we can be compassionate and diplomatic."
Well, I think it can be dangerous for Iran. They will be giving an excuse for the "West" to do their war against Iran.
I am of the opinion that there are no bad people or good people. The nuclear disarming program is just an excuse to wage war. But what Iran did was a dumb thing, they should use the public opinion to help them to remain in peace. By doing what they did they are giving a justification for a war.
Originally posted by Atlantis001
Well, I think it can be dangerous for Iran. They will be giving an excuse for the "West" to do their war against Iran.I am of the opinion that there are no bad people or good people. The nuclear disarming program is just an excuse to wage war. But what Iran did was a dumb thing, they should use the public opinion to help them to remain in peace. By doing what they did they are giving a justification for a war.
They knew what they were doing, they had no plans on keeping and pressing charges against the sailors... They knew when the situation got too 'hairy and they had beaten their chest enough, they would release them.
The U.S.S. Nimitz was on it's way to the Persian Gulf to join the U.S.S. and the U.S.S. Dwight D. Eisenhower... just a coincidence that Iran decided to free them on "good will" at that moment? I think Ayatollah Ali Khamenei realised it was time and had Pres. Ahmadinejad do the press conference about the immediate release.