Darth Krayt v. Exar Kun

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Originally posted by Lightsnake
Kun's displayed no such physical strength as to punch through Vonduun Crab armor, which is alive and can and will defend itself

And Mace has displayed no such physical strength as to punch through Orbalisk armor, which is alive and can and will defend itself. Punching through thin pieces of durasteel doesn't mean he can punch through Orbalisks. When I said that in the other thread, you stated that just because the Orbalisks can block lightsabers doesn't mean they can block fists. I now say the same to you, just because Krayt's armor can block lightsabers doesn't mean it can block fists. Or kicks, and we've seen Kun kick people.

Mace punched through durasteel.

Kun's physical abilities equate to lifting an old cephalapoid with one hand. Wowee.

And Krayt's armor is actually, y'know, alive and capable of defendig itself wit spikes and barbs. Orbalisks are not

I would say Exar Kun...

Originally posted by darthsith19
And Mace has displayed no such physical strength as to punch through Orbalisk armor, which is alive and can and will defend itself. Punching through thin pieces of durasteel doesn't mean he can punch through Orbalisks. When I said that in the other thread, you stated that just because the Orbalisks can block lightsabers doesn't mean they can block fists. I now say the same to you, just because Krayt's armor can block lightsabers doesn't mean it can block fists. Or kicks, and we've seen Kun kick people.

It isn't his physical strength that you really need to worry about with Mace (although, punching through durasteel is nothing to laugh at). It's Shatterpoint. He can break a crystal into dust with the tap of a finger. His full strength would break the Orbalisks and the Bane inside, too.

Can Kun's double balded lightsaber beat Krayt's Jar'Kai style?

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Can Kun's double balded lightsaber beat Krayt's Jar'Kai style?

Um clearly considering Exar Kun knew Jar'Kai well, and used it to defeat Vodo the first time.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Um clearly considering Exar Kun knew Jar'Kai well, and used it to defeat Vodo the first time.

Can he win though?

Originally posted by jollyjim311
It isn't his physical strength that you really need to worry about with Mace (although, punching through durasteel is nothing to laugh at). It's Shatterpoint. He can break a crystal into dust with the tap of a finger. His full strength would break the Orbalisks and the Bane inside, too.

There's no reason to believe that the orbalisks have any sort of weakness, and seeing as you can't prove such a thing, I think it's safe to assume otherwise, given that they're natural creatures of the darkside.

BTW, I still see nothing supporting Mace having even above average strength, given that most of his feats that would seem to be strength related were achieved through shatterpoint.

All of that begs for proof. Shatterpoint is mental and physical, and, the orbalisks definately do have a weakspot.

You're so bias, Neb. If Bane could break a crystal into two pieces with a few of his best, force-amplified punches, you'd be spamming about how great he is nonstop (well, more than you already do).

All of that begs for proof. Shatterpoint is mental and physical, and, the orbalisks definately do have a weakspot.

Again, you have no proof. Neither do I, but given that they're not exactly man made materials which would be more susceptible to being fallible, but rather natural creatures of the darkside created through sith alchemy with the sole purpose of offering protection, I'd say it's safe to assume that Mace isn't going to be finding weaknesses in it.

You're so bias, Neb. If Bane could break a crystal into two pieces with a few of his best, force-amplified punches, you'd be spamming about how great he is nonstop (well, more than you already do).

Not really, I actually don't view breaking a fricking crystal too impressive, but what do I know, I'm just 'bias'...

And again, what don't you get about how the feat in no way speaks for Mace's physical strength?

1) Have you read Shatterpoint?
2)That is my gift. Imagine a Corusca gem: a mineral whose interlocking crystalline structure makes it harder than durasteel. You can strike one with a five-kilo hammer and do no more than dent the hammer's face. Yet the same cystalline structure that gives the Corusca strength also gives it shatterpoints: spots where a precise application of carefully measured force-no more than a gentle tap-will break it into pieces. But to find these shatterpoints, to use them to shape the Corusca gem into beauty and utility, requires years of study, an intimate understanding of crystal structure, and rigorous practice to train the hand in the perfect combination of strength and precision to produce the desired cut. Unless you have a talent like mine. I can see shatterpoints. The sense is not sight, but see is the closest word Basic has for it: it is a perception, a feel of how what I look upon fits into the Force, and how the Force binds it to itself and to everything else. I was six or seven standard years old-well into my training in the Jedi Temple-before I realized that other students, full-grown Jedi Knights, even wise Masters, could sense such connections only with difficulty, and only with concentration and practice. The Force shows me strengths and weaknesses, hidden flaws and unexpected uses. It shows me vectors of stress that squeeze or stretch, torque or shear; it shows me how patterns of these vectors intersect to form the matrix of reality. Put simply: when I look at you through the Force, I can see where you break. I looked at Jango Fett on the sand in the Geonosian arena. A perfect combination of weapons, skills, and the will to use them: an interlocking crystal of killer. The Force hinted a shatterpoint, and I left a headless corpse on the sand. The deadliest man in the galaxy. Now: just dead. Situations have shatterpoints, like gems.

And? All it speaks for is Mace's Shatterpoint, which is more likely than not completely ineffective against orbalisk armour (thus the stance we should take in the debate). It doesn't speak for his physical strength at all, so what really is your point?

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
There's no reason to believe that the orbalisks have any sort of weakness, and seeing as you can't prove such a thing, I think it's safe to assume otherwise, given that they're natural creatures of the darkside.

BTW, I still see nothing supporting Mace having even above average strength, given that most of his feats that would seem to be strength related were achieved through shatterpoint.

Can the orbalisks penetrate Krayt's armor?

isn't the orbalisk armor force armor of some kind then it should have no value against the krayt's armor seen how the vong armor has actually stopped a lightsaber (in the very first of the vong books the one with chewbacca dies luke ore mara hits the armor of a vong but the lightsaber doesn't go through.) (been some time since I last read it)

Jim is right. Shatterpoint involves the mental and the physical. Since the orbalisks have a weak spot, Mace's shatterpoint will find it. Try again Noobaris.

Lmao, I love how both you and JollyJim make these ridiculous claims about the orbalisks, yet have no proof to back them up.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Lmao, I love how both you and JollyJim make these ridiculous claims about the orbalisks, yet have no proof to back them up. [/B]

Says the idiot who still can't manage to put one in the Win column, and who constantly argues against facts and logic. Guess what dumbshit, we don't have to have proof. Mace's shatterpoint found Sidious' weakness, that's what it does. To say it won't find Bane's weakness because you verbally fellate the guy makes you look dumber than you already do.

Dude, quit changing the subject, we're discussing each individual orbalisk itself here, not Bane. There's no proof that the orbalisks have a weakness that can be exploited via shatterpoint, and it's outright illogical to assume such a thing. There's also the fact that shatterpoint only shows Mace weaknesses, and does not grant him the ability to capitalise on such weaknesses, though this is off topic anyway...

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Dude, quit changing the subject, we're discussing each individual orbalisk itself here, not Bane. There's no proof that the orbalisks have a weakness that can be exploited via shatterpoint, and it's outright illogical to assume such a thing. There's also the fact that shatterpoint only shows Mace weaknesses, and does not grant him the ability to capitalise on such weaknesses, though this is off topic anyway...

each individual orbalisk? Are you that stupid? Bane is one human, being covered by orbalisks. As part of shatterpoint, Mace will be able to find the weakness in the orbalisks on Bane. And what is this? Shatterpoint shows Mace weaknesses but don't let him capitalize on them? You have got to be the dumbest human being to ever register for this forum. I guess you forgot the whole part about Mace finding Sidious' weakness and then capitalizing on it? Oh let me guess, Sidious was faking? You are dumb beyond belief, and you lose yet another argument.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Lmao, I love how both you and JollyJim make these ridiculous claims about the orbalisks, yet have no proof to back them up.
Says the idiot who he himself makes ridiculous claims about the orbalisks