Originally posted by Mindship
P, L, U = too touchy-feely, too granola, too much to expect from the average Joe/Jane, methinks. R strikes me as a minimum necessity, which, perhaps over time, may yield P, L and U.
LOL
that is way more thought than the acronym ever deserved! though, I have to admit, as granola as the P and L sound, I do everyhting I can to live up to them.
ecstacy did have some positive effects, ya'know
Originally posted by Mindship
I was more of a serotonin hallucinogen guy. FX > PLU
no, I'm totally with you, only LSD/shrooms were too unpredictable for me at a rave
I'd way rather partake in a hallucinogen, though, I'd have to be in the right state of mind. MDMA was always more of a party thing, and I tried to do that a lot in my youth (though, $2 drum-and-bass nights might bring me back around)
Originally posted by inimalist
no, I'm totally with you, only LSD/shrooms were too unpredictable for me at a raveI'd way rather partake in a hallucinogen, though, I'd have to be in the right state of mind. MDMA was always more of a party thing, and I tried to do that a lot in my youth (though, $2 drum-and-bass nights might bring me back around)
As for the party/social chems...when the time was right: yippee ki-yay...
Originally posted by Mindship
That's why most of my trips (and I lived with a dealer one semester) were either with a few people I knew and trusted, or I was alone (I preferred the latter, actually). I prepped for them and never had a bad trip.
we are of a similar mind. Any of my serious trips have been alone, which is fortunate. Too many people and I would have had serious anxiety reactions, there were times when I even needed to remove myself from the couple of close friends I was with
Originally posted by Mindship
As for the party/social chems...when the time was right: yippee ki-yay...
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damn right. I guess, if we are being all personally expositive and all, stuff like K I've had to keep a real watch of, because I tend to have a very addictive personality, but ya, party chems I see as almost a tool of needing to stay up for 18 hours dancing.
Originally posted by inimalistI often found other people distracting. I wanted to focus on the FX, compare the state to others; I often even took notes (the scientist in me, I suppose).
we are of a similar mind. Any of my serious trips have been alone, which is fortunate. Too many people and I would have had serious anxiety reactions, there were times when I even needed to remove myself from the couple of close friends I was with
😄I hear ya. I have that addictive streak as well. Fortunately, because tolerance to shrooms built up quickly, I was "forced" to wait several days between trips to keep from upping the dosage. As for LSD...the day-long trips were just too much of a commitment.damn right. I guess, if we are being all personally expositive and all, stuff like K I've had to keep a real watch of, because I tend to have a very addictive personality, but ya, party chems I see as almost a tool of needing to stay up for 18 hours dancing.
To screwing with brain chemicals: drunk
Originally posted by Mindship
I often found other people distracting. I wanted to focus on the FX, compare the state to others; I often even took notes (the scientist in me, I suppose).
while I might not have kept the same kind of records you have, I totally see what you are saying.
in fact, to be a bit sarcastic, having done all these mind altering substances has only benefited my career as a neuroscientist. That might be somewhat tongue in cheek, but in some ways it isnt. When profs talk about bottom-up influences of "pre-conscious" attention, I not only get it, but I get it in a way that is like, "shit, I remember feeling that". Almost like I'm getting some answers to experiences that I've had, whereas a lot of students get caught up in the "no, but "I" am this thing in my head, not a brain of thousands of systems", an illusion I got over after one of my first trips.
actually, at the risk of starting a whole other discussion, where our "scientist" sides might differ is that you went quantum and I went neuro...
Originally posted by Mindship
I hear ya. I have that addictive streak as well. Fortunately, because tolerance to shrooms built up quickly, I was "forced" to wait several days between trips to keep from upping the dosage. As for LSD...the day-long trips were just too much of a commitment.
hallucinogens were always too big of a commitment for that kind of a problem. K and MDMA are really bad because they don't really effect my ability to interact with people. I can go to class, to work, whatever (though, if you ask me in a more rational mindset, that is a waste of the substance). It just offers a huge risk for abuse for me. Like, the last ball of K I had lasted a couple of days, just out of gluttony (idk, thats lots for me at least).
Originally posted by Mindship
To screwing with brain chemicals: drunk
cheers!
Originally posted by inimalist😂 ...at the "risk"... though I don't see much risk to you and "your kind": the empirical model is, after all, virtually unassailable.
actually, at the risk of starting a whole other discussion, where our "scientist" sides might differ is that you went quantum and I went neuro...
Anyways, "metaconscious" (ie, attention training) would describe my orientation. The quantum stuff I save for my superhero fiction (feeble that it is).
As for the scientist in me, I'm sure my methodology during my journeys would leave much to be desired. Some stuff was straightforward (eg, taking pulse every 30 minutes), but other parameters (eg, color intensity) were much more subjective, and some things were just almost impossible to describe or convey. I think I had mentioned this once before: in a psychopharm class, when we got to the hallucinogens, the prof said that the way LSD worked was that it inhibited the neurons which inhibit dreaming, such that, in effect, when tripping, it's as if one's dreaming volume is turned up, wherein dreaming gets superimposed onto one's sensory awareness. This made sense to me personally since I could "see" similarities between tripping and lucid dreaming. But again, my methodology was hardly foolproof.