What data are you basing that calculation on?
Everybody has a different idea of what god is.
That points to all parties not actually knowing.
Well you can certainly look to the patterns of Religion having one explanation for things that have been proven wrong by later experience, hindsight etc.... The god describers have been way off of base in their assessments. Ptolomy/Gallileo etc.
At times we thought that witchcraft of hate curses we why people would get ill, that god's dissatisfaction with his followers were why crops would fail etc
We've since realised that the superstitions/cultist beliefs of old were in fact micro-biological organisms and viri making people ill, and overly acidic soil, barren nutrients, and wrong climates for certain crops to grow.... just walk further down the road of these patterns.
And again, when outrageous claims are made, they demand equally outrageous evidence. We can prove that all these historically god attributed things all have other proveable explanations.
People have 'spirit' regardless of their religion.
In fact, if anything seeks to break your spirit, rape you of your individuality/free thinking, its religion.
The human spirit the only one that matters IMO.
I know this might sound abrupt, I certainly am not wishing to be.
When you start taliking about atheism like its some affliction, it sounds silly: Atheism is merely not believing in something.
(Which in the face of no proof to the claims being made, is quite reasonable, don't you think...?)
My beliefs are...weird.
I don't deny the existance of some sort of all powerful being but don't believe in any specific religion.
But I also believe in Karma(since it does seem to be true as whenever I do bad things bad things come back and vica verse).
I also believe that re-incarnation is a possibility but not sure.
Originally posted by MRasheed
If I learned something that definitively PROVED that God wasn't real? The chances of that happening are... [does calculation]
.
Oh and I believe that Science is discovering something one could call Spirit
Originally posted by Black bolt z
My beliefs are...weird.I don't deny the existance of some sort of all powerful being but don't believe in any specific religion.
But I also believe in Karma(since it does seem to be true as whenever I do bad things bad things come back and vica verse).
I also believe that re-incarnation is a possibility but not sure.
So you're agnostic.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
No, not that god is unreal, but that what you call god is something much more different than you formally thought.
But God is the One who said who He was. That's one of the reasons why His Word is here. So if there is anyone trying to contradict that, doesn't it imply that that is the last person you should be listening to?
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Oh and I believe that Science is discovering something one could call Spirit
I'm listening.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
What data are you basing that calculation on?
I was joking, Sadako. sheesh...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Everybody has a different idea of what god is.
But God only has one. Who should I listen to?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That points to all parties not actually knowing.
God knows.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well you can certainly look to the patterns of Religion having one explanation for things that have been proven wrong by later experience, hindsight etc.... The god describers have been way off of base in their assessments. Ptolomy/Gallileo etc.At times we thought that witchcraft of hate curses we why people would get ill, that god's dissatisfaction with his followers were why crops would fail etc
We've since realised that the superstitions/cultist beliefs of old were in fact micro-biological organisms and viri making people ill, and overly acidic soil, barren nutrients, and wrong climates for certain crops to grow.... just walk further down the road of these patterns.
God says certain things, and man (in the form of religious scholars, theologians, and clerics) say another thing. Man is not infallible and is often wrong. God is not.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And again, when outrageous claims are made, they demand equally outrageous evidence.
God doesn't demand proof, Sadako, He demands faith.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
We can prove that all these historically god attributed things all have other proveable explanations.
All of the biblical miracles involved events that could've happened naturally in certain circumstances. What made these miracles was the timing.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
People have 'spirit' regardless of their religion.
In this case I am specifically referring to the unseen realm usually referred to as the supernatural that includes God, the angels and the afterlife. But you are right... spirit exists regardless of religious affiliation.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
When you start taliking about atheism like its some affliction, it sounds silly: Atheism is merely not believing in something.
It is an affliction. One that will terminate in the afflicted dangling over the Pit.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
(Which in the face of no proof to the claims being made, is quite reasonable, don't you think...?)
I know that it is ridiculous to demand material proof from concepts that are not of the material realm. It's insane.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why would a god need to say what he was in the first place?
Be cause God is Just he made sure we knew what the rules for this life were and that we were all very aware of it. That way you can't call 'FOUL!' when the Day of Judgment arrives.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
In the science fields of Quantum physics to some degree. "Enjoy your popcorn." lol
You're talking about the "What the Bleep Do We Know?" concepts? I loved that! I felt the same way.
I also feel that the so-called hallucinogens from DMT trips are a clue into the spirit too.
Originally posted by MRasheed
I was joking, Sadako. sheesh...
Okay.. sorry, my bad.
But God only has one. Who should I listen to?
You're the one saying whats on gods mind....I can't help you with that.
God knows.
So you say... 😖hifty:
God says certain things, and man (in the form of religious scholars, theologians, and clerics) say another thing. Man is not infallible and is often wrong. God is not.
But Man evolves and learns.
God doesn't demand proof, Sadako, He demands faith.
Well Im all for faith: just reasoned/reasonable faith.
IE: I have faith that if I go to the store tommorrow that it'll be there, I dont know it, but its proved itself likely based on its having being there on all previous days. I can research local planning records etc and even show that it was built. I can tell which chain owns it etc etc So I have faith that it'll be there.
Religious claims are waaaaaay out there, compared to the claim
"Im pretty sure that theres gonna be a store there tommorrow."
My faith in the store is pure and It exists freeley and the store doesnt threaten me with judgement/hellfire/death etc if I choose not to shop there...or if I stop believing in it....or even question the bits of it that might not make sense.
Anything that opposes free enquiry, punishes it and brainwashes is not to be trusted.
All of the biblical miracles involved events that could've happened naturally in certain circumstances. What made these miracles was the timing.Miracles are acts that suspend the natural order of physics etc....What you describe is coincidence.
In this case I am specifically referring to the unseen realm usually referred to as the supernatural that includes God, the angels and the afterlife. But you are right... spirit exists regardless of religious affiliation.Indeed in a lot senses of the word.
It is an affliction. One that will terminate in the afflicted dangling over the Pit.
Its closer to enlightenment and emancipation than afflictedness.
I know that it is ridiculous to demand material proof from concepts that are not of the material realm. It's insane. [/B]
Well if its not in the realm we occupy why is it relevant or of consequence...?
Originally posted by MRasheedIt has nothing to do with being Just, it is what it is. Cause and effect. All the old Masters taught that. Reaping, sowing...etc.
Be cause God is Just he made sure we knew what the rules for this life were and that we were all very aware of it. That way you can't call 'FOUL!' when the Day of Judgment arrives.
No one made sure that we knew anything, it's learned behavior.
You're talking about the "What the Bleep Do We Know?" concepts? I loved that! I felt the same way.Yeah, that is a cool concept, yet I'm not really sure about it or at least all of it.Life is just very interesting but the after life is nothing to be feared. It's just the continuum..
I also feel that the so-called hallucinogens from DMT trips are a clue into the spirit too.
Yet death and life is nothing to be feared. It's just a continuum.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You're the one saying whats on gods mind.
No, He said it. I'm just repeating what was writ.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
So you say...
Read the Book and you too will know.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But Man evolves and learns.
And God is eternal and knows ALL.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Anything that opposes free enquiry, punishes it and brainwashes is not to be trusted.
God doesn't oppose free inquiry. He said for us to lear, study, question... just give the One who is omniscient and omnipotent the benefit of the doubt that He knows what He's doing.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Miracles are acts that suspend the natural order of physics etc....What you describe is coincidence.
No, all of the miracles were, under normal circumstances, rather ordinary occurrences. It was when they happened that made them miraculous.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
😂 I disagree. So heres where the proof will come in handy for you.... 😛
The only proof will be the horn of Gabriel... and it will be too late to repent then. Take heed.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its closer to enlightenment and emancipation than afflictedness.
Enlightenment is knowing what God wants of you. Emancipation from God's grace is hell.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well if its not in the realm we occupy why is it relevant or of consequence...?
The sole reason we are on earth is to pass this test and prosper in the afterlife, when our REAL existence begins.
Originally posted by MRasheed😐.
No, He said it. I'm just repeating what was writ.Read the Book and you too will know.
And God is eternal and knows ALL.
God doesn't oppose free inquiry. He said for us to lear, study, question... just give the One who is omniscient and omnipotent the benefit of the doubt that He knows what He's doing.
No, all of the miracles were, under normal circumstances, rather ordinary occurrences. It was when they happened that made them miraculous.
The only proof will be the horn of Gabriel... and it will be too late to repent then. Take heed.
Enlightenment is knowing what God wants of you. Emancipation from God's grace is hell.
The sole reason we are on earth is to pass this test and prosper in the afterlife, when our REAL existence begins.