Originally posted by -Pr-The Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose comparison was more of joke tbh 😂 Even i can tell Ambrose and Rollins show more experience by a huge margin than Reigns just by mic and ring work alone. Though i admit i actually really did not appreciate Rollins being in the main event scene that fast and Ambrose took way to long to get the title compared to Rollins and Reigns. Like i said the comparisons were more of a joke but truth be told, i adamantly believe it should be what you did under and for WWE not what happened before in the indies. Maybe people like Styles and Balor can get away with it because they are already aged so they don't got much time left, but that's about much i can give.
That's really not a fair comparison. Ambrose spent years on the road, as did Rollins. Rollins cut his teeth against the best in the world in ROH before he even showed up in WWE developmental. Reigns was a football player that decided that he wanted to be a wrestler later on. He doesn't have nearly the amount of experience the other two do.Rollins has been top of the card since he left the Shield, that's true, but he's shown time and time again that he was ready for it. When Ambrose left the Shield he spent a fair bit of time outside of the main event, and when he got his main event push, he was constantly portrayed as the underdog.
Originally posted by -Pr-*sigh* Cena pretty much personifies ''kick out at 2'' now that anyone displaying anything of what you just said above has to be compared or associated to Cena even though the man deserves more respect than that. Cena truly has the most controversial career
People dislike Reigns because he gets treated the way Cena did. Kicking out of everything, being largely unbeatable, and putting everyone he fights down with one finisher, when he'd kicked out of multiple ones by his opponent. It's no coincidence that a lot of people that didn't like Reigns before, liked him when he fought Lesnar at WM. Because he was actually BOOKED as an underdog.
Originally posted by -Pr-Yep, Wife and pepper spray...reaaaal strong yeap 🙄
Miz can look strong AND cheat to win. Plenty of heels have done it in the past, including Miz himself.
Originally posted by TheHulk
The Rollins, Reigns and Ambrose comparison was more of joke tbh 😂 Even i can tell Ambrose and Rollins show more experience by a huge margin than Reigns just by mic and ring work alone. Though i admit i actually really did not appreciate Rollins being in the main event scene that fast and Ambrose took way to long to get the title compared to Rollins and Reigns. Like i said the comparisons were more of a joke but truth be told, i adamantly believe it should be what you did under and for WWE not what happened before in the indies. Maybe people like Styles and Balor can get away with it because they are already aged so they don't got much time left, but that's about much i can give.*sigh* Cena pretty much personifies ''kick out at 2'' now that anyone displaying anything of what you just said above has to be compared or associated to Cena even though the man deserves more respect than that. Cena truly has the most controversial career
Yep, Wife and pepper spray...reaaaal strong yeap 🙄
Even if you go by what they did for WWE, Rollins and Ambrose have done far more for their careers than Roman has. I understand that it isn't as much Roman's fault as it is the booking, but that doesn't change the fact that it IS him doing all this shit.
Well they should have thought of that before making Cena kick out of everything then, shouldn't they? Cena is an amazing talent, but his career is always going to be tarnished by awful things like The Nexus and so on.
Triple H constantly cheated to win, and he was still written as a badass. Michaels was a sneaky heel that cheated, but nobody says he's a bad wrestler. You go back through the years, you find tons of examples. The Miz has looked plenty strong when he's had to. He was back and forth with Ziggler in pretty much all of their matches, only cheating at the end when he needed to get the pinfall. And it's more than just Ziggler. Hell, look at his title run when he wasn't even close to being as good as he was now.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynthere were things I liked at Wrestle kingdom like Cody and Naito. LIJ was goofy, but they got their gimmick across. I also liked Page and Cole, but Fake and Japanese Godfather kinda suck, and holy bland that O'Reilly guy was like a midcard UFC fighter... his Tron couldn't even get him over.
You are a ball of UNBRIDLED HATE!!!!!Okada vs Omega- 5 STARS!!!!
I was reading back over my posts, and I realise that I might have seemed a bit hostile. That's not my intent.
It's just frustration. I like Reigns. He has a good look, he's athletic, and a really good moveset (bar the spear, which I think he could work on).
They're just pushing him in a way that's going to ultimately hurt him. They've been basically pushing him since the Shield broke up nearly three years ago, and not once have they come close to giving him the heel turn that almost every future face needs before they're accepted.
Originally posted by -Pr-I will say this, both Rollins and Ambrose have paid their dues. Ambrose had the most matches last year(house shows etc) and Rollins did pretty much carried the company on his back when he was world champion. Personally i see no problem with Reigns being placed in this position if he can actually produce in his promos and matches, even if they are just on a acceptable level. Of course that level will be high, but maybe he should take further steps back before the company completely goes behind him.
Even if you go by what they did for WWE, Rollins and Ambrose have done far more for their careers than Roman has. I understand that it isn't as much Roman's fault as it is the booking, but that doesn't change the fact that it IS him doing all this shit.Well they should have thought of that before making Cena kick out of everything then, shouldn't they? Cena is an amazing talent, but his career is always going to be tarnished by awful things like The Nexus and so on.
Triple H constantly cheated to win, and he was still written as a badass. Michaels was a sneaky heel that cheated, but nobody says he's a bad wrestler. You go back through the years, you find tons of examples. The Miz has looked plenty strong when he's had to. He was back and forth with Ziggler in pretty much all of their matches, only cheating at the end when he needed to get the pinfall. And it's more than just Ziggler. Hell, look at his title run when he wasn't even close to being as good as he was now.
Well at least Cena was man enough to admit the Nexus thing was a mistake. Though in hindsight i don't know why people are complaining, most of the stars are no longer with us yes, but a majority like Ryback and Barrett at least shined at one point. The only ones that amounted to absolutely nothing were Gabriel and Tarver. But again..the rest even the likes of Slater and Otunga and Young were given chances, so it's not Cena totally ruined their careers.
Pft...his character is still weak....and to even compare it to The Game and HBK in anyway.......tsk tsk Pr 🙄
Originally posted by TheHulk
I will say this, both Rollins and Ambrose have paid their dues. Ambrose had the most matches last year(house shows etc) and Rollins did pretty much carried the company on his back when he was world champion. Personally i see no problem with Reigns being placed in this position if he can actually produce in his promos and matches, even if they are just on a acceptable level. Of course that level will be high, but maybe he should take further steps back before the company completely goes behind him.Well at least Cena was man enough to admit the Nexus thing was a mistake. Though in hindsight i don't know why people are complaining, most of the stars are no longer with us yes, but a majority like Ryback and Barrett at least shined at one point. The only ones that amounted to absolutely nothing were Gabriel and Tarver. But again..the rest even the likes of Slater and Otunga and Young were given chances, so it's not Cena totally ruined their careers.
Pft...his character is still weak....and to even compare it to The Game and HBK in anyway.......tsk tsk Pr 🙄
I just don't like how he's being booked. It's not convincing to me at all when he can brush off the things he does.
He admitted the Nexus thing was, but we can't pretend that was the only thing he's done. He killed the momentum of people like Rey Mysterio and The Miz too, at times when they did have a lot going for them. Even if Ryback and Barret bounced back, I think it's hard to argue that he didn't do damage to them. Then there's Rusev.
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Triple H played a cowardly heel for years that could still go in the ring. You can go back through wrestling history and find all kinds of heels that could wrestle and be convincingly competitive, but could still cheat to win. Miz has been that in the past more than once.
Hell, look at Owens and Rollins in recent years.
and you know what? Miz is better on the mic than Trips ever was. Yeah, I said it.
Originally posted by -Pr-In my honest opinion, Reigns does have the look and physical prowness to look like at least a semi Ryback, so it's not really impossible to push as this hard to beat big man. Maybe they just to do a better job at it.
I just don't like how he's being booked. It's not convincing to me at all when he can brush off the things he does.He admitted the Nexus thing was, but we can't pretend that was the only thing he's done. He killed the momentum of people like Rey Mysterio and The Miz too, at times when they did have a lot going for them. Even if Ryback and Barret bounced back, I think it's hard to argue that he didn't do damage to them. Then there's Rusev.
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Triple H played a cowardly heel for years that could still go in the ring. You can go back through wrestling history and find all kinds of heels that could wrestle and be convincingly competitive, but could still cheat to win. Miz has been that in the past more than once.
Hell, look at Owens and Rollins in recent years.
and you know what? Miz is better on the mic than Trips ever was. Yeah, I said it.
Though he has killed momentum, it's not like it was ever lasting damage. I personally feel Cena has never truly halted a superstars career. Seriously the whole Mysterio thing, if you are talking about the 2011 title change between Cena and Mysterio, is completely WWE fault. They should have never placed Mysterio in that position if they just wanted Cena to have the belt eventually, i really can't stress how much Cena has no fault in this if people were to really point their fingers at him for this debacle since it's pure idiot booking in creatives part. Of course you could argue Cena could have stepped in but that's a whole different story. You clearly have a thing for Miz so i will refrain from arguing why Miz might not have been the best world champion at that time nor why their rivalry would never been in Miz's favor. I disagree, most stars that Cena reportedly ''buried'' have bounced back and when they actually got released you really can't say it was because at one point their momentum got halted by Cena. That's unfair, for example, people thought Wyatt was ''buried'' but no the feud was just not in his favor now and his still running in the company as normal. Barrett and Ryback left obviously for their own reasons. Rusev won the US championship again and even though now he isn't a champion he still plays a good part in Raw. Once again, yes their momentum might have been halted by Cena but they either bounced back or got released for entirely different reason.
Yeah, you're right Pr...but Miz ain't good as any of them and lol Miz being better than Hunter in the mic? On your knees dog 😮💨
Originally posted by TheHulk
In my honest opinion, Reigns does have the look and physical prowness to look like at least a semi Ryback, so it's not really impossible to push as this hard to beat big man. Maybe they just to do a better job at it.Though he has killed momentum, it's not like it was ever lasting damage. I personally feel Cena has never truly halted a superstars career. Seriously the whole Mysterio thing, if you are talking about the 2011 title change between Cena and Mysterio, is completely WWE fault. They should have never placed Mysterio in that position if they just wanted Cena to have the belt eventually, i really can't stress how much Cena has no fault in this if people were to really point their fingers at him for this debacle since it's pure idiot booking in creatives part. Of course you could argue Cena could have stepped in but that's a whole different story. You clearly have a thing for Miz so i will refrain from arguing why Miz might not have been the best world champion at that time nor why their rivalry would never been in Miz's favor. I disagree, most stars that Cena reportedly ''buried'' have bounced back and when they actually got released you really can't say it was because at one point their momentum got halted by Cena. That's unfair, for example, people thought Wyatt was ''buried'' but no the feud was just not in his favor now and his still running in the company as normal. Barrett and Ryback left obviously for their own reasons. Rusev won the US championship again and even though now he isn't a champion he still plays a good part in Raw. Once again, yes their momentum might have been halted by Cena but they either bounced back or got released for entirely different reason.
Yeah, you're right Pr...but Miz ain't good as any of them and lol Miz being better than Hunter in the mic? On your knees dog 😮💨
They book him all wrong, imo. Even on Raw last week, it was better, but it would be much, much better if they weren't doing it with the intent of putting the belt on him at the Rumble.
I don't agree, tbh. He's stunted more than a few people. As far as Miz goes, no, he wasn't the best world champion, but he still suffered once his title reign was over, just as the Nexus did when Cena beat them. Or Rusev. Or any number of people that were built up and fed to Cena. I'm not knocking Cena as a performer; he's far and away one of the best guys since the turn of the century. But I really don't think you can genuinely argue that he doesn't damage careers. Wyatt's feud with Cena led to nothing. Rusev hasn't had a good feud since he dropped the belt to Cena. It's not as bad as it once was, but putting Cena above all others, tends to end up hurting a lot of those others.
To be fair, he's not as bad as say, Hogan was, but still, it just happened far too often for my tastes.
TBH, I was kinda teasing when I said he was better than Trips, but thinking back on it? No, Miz is better on the mic. He's better at getting heat in promos, he doesn't need twenty minutes to get his point across, and in all honesty, I would argue he's the best true Heel the company has had since JBL.
A prime example is the ladder match with Ziggler. People were actually chanting the Miz's name. One two minute promo later, and they hated him again. Trips never had the crowd in the palm of his hand like that, I would argue. At least on a consistent basis the way Miz does.
And that isn't even considering how much of HHH's career is him riding the coat-tails of someone else.
Originally posted by -Pr-Well...how would you book him Pr?
They book him all wrong, imo. Even on Raw last week, it was better, but it would be much, much better if they weren't doing it with the intent of putting the belt on him at the Rumble.I don't agree, tbh. He's stunted more than a few people. As far as Miz goes, no, he wasn't the best world champion, but he still suffered once his title reign was over, just as the Nexus did when Cena beat them. Or Rusev. Or any number of people that were built up and fed to Cena. I'm not knocking Cena as a performer; he's far and away one of the best guys since the turn of the century. But I really don't think you can genuinely argue that he doesn't damage careers. Wyatt's feud with Cena led to nothing. Rusev hasn't had a good feud since he dropped the belt to Cena. It's not as bad as it once was, but putting Cena above all others, tends to end up hurting a lot of those others.
To be fair, he's not as bad as say, Hogan was, but still, it just happened far too often for my tastes.
TBH, I was kinda teasing when I said he was better than Trips, but thinking back on it? No, Miz is better on the mic. He's better at getting heat in promos, he doesn't need twenty minutes to get his point across, and in all honesty, I would argue he's the best true Heel the company has had since JBL.
A prime example is the ladder match with Ziggler. People were actually chanting the Miz's name. One two minute promo later, and they hated him again. Trips never had the crowd in the palm of his hand like that, I would argue. At least on a consistent basis the way Miz does.
And that isn't even considering how much of HHH's career is him riding the coat-tails of someone else.
He does damage but not to the extent people think. I will agree some career were still better and hotter before they met Cena, but to put even 40% of the blame on him seems a bit unfair since it's mostly creatives fault, though maybe Cena really should put some word in because he obviously doesn't unless his asked. I'm not totally trying to clear Cena of all charges but the man has not truly intentionally buried anyone and has tried to help stars. Again not saying Cena has no fault like for example this smackdown, i totally don't like the fact he beat Corbin.
Man...you do love your Miz? How did this relationship even start? Look i myself am a Miz fan, hugely at one point. But you clearly think almost the world of him 😂
Originally posted by TheHulk
Well...how would you book him Pr?He does damage but not to the extent people think. I will agree some career were still better and hotter before they met Cena, but to put even 40% of the blame on him seems a bit unfair since it's mostly creatives fault, though maybe Cena really should put some word in because he obviously doesn't unless his asked. I'm not totally trying to clear Cena of all charges but the man has not truly intentionally buried anyone and has tried to help stars. Again not saying Cena has no fault like for example this smackdown, i totally don't like the fact he beat Corbin.
Man...you do love your Miz? How did this relationship even start? Look i myself am a Miz fan, hugely at one point. But you clearly think almost the world of him 😂
Turn him heel first. Let him get over on his own. Then, when he turns face, let it be organic. Then book him as a proper FACE. There's nothing wrong with making him win the big one, as long as you put obstacles in his way. You have to let him get pinned. A lot. Let him get screwed, put the numbers against him. Treat him more like the Rock or Daniel Bryan than Hogan or Cena. That will get people behind him. People naturally sympathise with an underdog.
I know that creative and Vince himself is responsible for just as much of it, if not more than Cena. I just don't think you can absolve Cena either. When did he beat Corbin?
Also, three words: Damien ****ing Sandow.
I said a while back that what initially drew me to Miz was that when I first saw him, I realised he looked exactly like the CAW i'd always made in wrestling games. He was starting to feud with Cesaro (who was US champ at the time and a pretty decent foreign heel to boot), and having spent all my life liking faces I was pretty happy to keep watching. Then when he turned heel again, I lost interest for a bit until I started to watch his promos. Even when he shilled for Miz TV and put on segments, you can see that he just seems to know how to get people over, even when it's at his own expense. And his wrestling has consistently gotten better. He's never gonna be as naturally gifted as Orton or Cody Rhodes, but his ring psychology is solid, and he knows how to play to the crowd.
2016 was him finally hitting his potential, imo.
Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah i guess that's a proper way to book him, i am surprise that they obviously never at least have the thought of turning him heel. The amount of boos for Reigns...i mean the only proper way to describe it, it's everyday one night stand 06 for him 😂
Turn him heel first. Let him get over on his own. Then, when he turns face, let it be organic. Then book him as a proper FACE. There's nothing wrong with making him win the big one, as long as you put obstacles in his way. You have to let him get pinned. A lot. Let him get screwed, put the numbers against him. Treat him more like the Rock or Daniel Bryan than Hogan or Cena. That will get people behind him. People naturally sympathise with an underdog.I know that creative and Vince himself is responsible for just as much of it, if not more than Cena. I just don't think you can absolve Cena either. When did he beat Corbin?
Also, three words: Damien ****ing Sandow.
I said a while back that what initially drew me to Miz was that when I first saw him, I realised he looked exactly like the CAW i'd always made in wrestling games. He was starting to feud with Cesaro (who was US champ at the time and a pretty decent foreign heel to boot), and having spent all my life liking faces I was pretty happy to keep watching. Then when he turned heel again, I lost interest for a bit until I started to watch his promos. Even when he shilled for Miz TV and put on segments, you can see that he just seems to know how to get people over, even when it's at his own expense. And his wrestling has consistently gotten better. He's never gonna be as naturally gifted as Orton or Cody Rhodes, but his ring psychology is solid, and he knows how to play to the crowd.
2016 was him finally hitting his potential, imo.
Well...he did comeback with The Miz stunt double..lol and honestly in hindsight..it was already painfully obvious he was never gonna amount to anything sadly.
This week smackdown. If you watch Corbin, he had been seriously been on a roll and he never lost cleanly and looked like no body could stop him....until this smackdown....*sigh* I mean when you think about it sure, Cena needed a win for his first match in months but it was literally like the usual Cena match....get beat, comeback and win. 😘
Originally posted by TheHulk
Yeah i guess that's a proper way to book him, i am surprise that they obviously never at least have the thought of turning him heel. The amount of boos for Reigns...i mean the only proper way to describe it, it's everyday one night stand 06 for him 😂Well...he did comeback with The Miz stunt double..lol and honestly in hindsight..it was already painfully obvious he was never gonna amount to anything sadly.
This week smackdown. If you watch Corbin, he had been seriously been on a roll and he never lost cleanly and looked like no body could stop him....until this smackdown....*sigh* I mean when you think about it sure, Cena needed a win for his first match in months but it was literally like the usual Cena match....get beat, comeback and win. 😘
Yeah. I feel bad for the guy.
I disagree. A lot. The dude was money when he was feuding with Rhodes. He's not the flashiest wrestler, no, but many champions that were excellent on the mic didn't need to be. WWE ****ed him so badly, and imo it all started with removing any credibility he had by making him lose to one-armed Cena.
I hadn't seen Smackdown when you told me, as I'm in Europe and only watch it on Wednesday afternoons 😛
But TBH, Cena should have beaten Corbin anyway. Cena needs to prove he's still got it to make AJ worry, and Corbin is still climbing he ladder, so a loss to Cena doesn't hurt him, if they book him right.
Smackdown was once again the better show. This Ziggler heel turn is really strange but so far I'm liking it.
Also, the Miz segment was booked pretty well too.
Originally posted by -Pr-Here's hoping this year will be better for Reigns creative wise 👆
Yeah. I feel bad for the guy.I disagree. A lot. The dude was money when he was feuding with Rhodes. He's not the flashiest wrestler, no, but many champions that were excellent on the mic didn't need to be. WWE ****ed him so badly, and imo it all started with removing any credibility he had by making him lose to one-armed Cena.
I hadn't seen Smackdown when you told me, as I'm in Europe and only watch it on Wednesday afternoons 😛
But TBH, Cena should have beaten Corbin anyway. Cena needs to prove he's still got it to make AJ worry, and Corbin is still climbing he ladder, so a loss to Cena doesn't hurt him, if they book him right.
Smackdown was once again the better show. This Ziggler heel turn is really strange but so far I'm liking it.
Also, the Miz segment was booked pretty well too.
He had a feud with Rhodes? 😂 Maybe i should refrain from commenting about Sandow if i can't even remember his run. Things i remember about Damien Sandow, god on the mic, wardrobe, Rhode Scholars, 2nd person to lose MITB cash in, Miz stunt double and temporary alliance with Axelmania. Oh and he was hilarious in UpUpDownDown. Oh if you don't know what us UpUpDownDown, it's Xavier Woods channel and it's amazing.
Did it have to be at Corbin expense though? He was on a roll before hand...and the match was almost below average.
Originally posted by TheHulk
Here's hoping this year will be better for Reigns creative wise 👆He had a feud with Rhodes? 😂 Maybe i should refrain from commenting about Sandow if i can't even remember his run. Things i remember about Damien Sandow, god on the mic, wardrobe, Rhode Scholars, 2nd person to lose MITB cash in, Miz stunt double and temporary alliance with Axelmania. Oh and he was hilarious in UpUpDownDown. Oh if you don't know what us UpUpDownDown, it's Xavier Woods channel and it's amazing.
Did it have to be at Corbin expense though? He was on a roll before hand...and the match was almost below average.
I'd hope so.
He had his feud with Cody after MITB. It was awesome. Intellectual Saviour was a brilliant gimmick too.
I don't know who else they could have had him fight, tbh. Miz and Ambrose are busy. Ziggler is doing his thing. They're not having him fight AJ before the PPV (smartly). Who else is high enough on the card that could be a threat? Agreed about the match not being great. Both are capable of being better.
You know as much as I can't stand Cena, I hate Reigns even more. For me the difference is, Cena has way more charisma and is MUCH MUCH better on the Mic. Plus outside the ring I have heard nothing but positive things about Cena while Reigns, has been noted to be an arrogant Douche.
Reigns needs to turn heel, because the face is not working. This is Cena all over again. Vince is really so out of touch, and I don't see it getting any better. This superhuman unstoppable UNDERDOG booking is repulsive. As I said the opponents of BOTH Cena and Reigns, are the real underdogs. Kevin Owen's has been booked as sh!t and has had one of the WORST title reigns that I have ever seen. He keeps falling to Reigns continuously.
I do like Baron Corbin, and I am interested in what WWE will do with him. Thank god he is not on Monday Night Raw.
Originally posted by -Pr-One very important thing to remember, Smackdown is the bonafide real A show now and has been consistently great. With that in mind, we all know how important the main event is and SD main event has been good weekly. Now take all that and because of Cena, yes Cena because this match was nothing but called down the middle type and we all know the veterans job is to take charge at times, the main event has been tainted and this give reason for people to point fingers at Cena and they are probably in the right to do so. It's like you said both can clearly do more and in Cena's first match...he decide to go through the garbage routine.....*sigh*....and again...Corbin's momentum. I will say this....with hindsight i can understand, yeah Cena needed a win and also you can market that the only person that beat Corbin was a 15 time world champion but c'mon...this main event tainted SD great record.
I don't know who else they could have had him fight, tbh. Miz and Ambrose are busy. Ziggler is doing his thing. They're not having him fight AJ before the PPV (smartly). Who else is high enough on the card that could be a threat? Agreed about the match not being great. Both are capable of being better.
Now with some time to think..they actually could have got Bray Wyatt to do it and since we had that Wyatt Family tear earlier on the show...it was almost no problem for Bray to lose to Cena alone with no help...
Originally posted by P-GeyserWhat have you heard about Reigns?
You know as much as I can't stand Cena, I hate Reigns even more. For me the difference is, Cena has way more charisma and is MUCH MUCH better on the Mic. Plus outside the ring I have heard nothing but positive things about Cena while Reigns, has been noted to be an arrogant Douche.Reigns needs to turn heel, because the face is not working. This is Cena all over again. Vince is really so out of touch, and I don't see it getting any better. This superhuman unstoppable UNDERDOG booking is repulsive. As I said the opponents of BOTH Cena and Reigns, are the real underdogs. Kevin Owen's has been booked as sh!t and has had one of the WORST title reigns that I have ever seen. He keeps falling to Reigns continuously.
I do like Baron Corbin, and I am interested in what WWE will do with him. Thank god he is not on Monday Night Raw.
How would you book him as a heel? Honestly in my opinion, you can have him be the same unbeatable monster but the only difference is his a bad guy...i really don't see how that would make him that much more interesting...
Agreed, i seriously dig Corbin...he has look, speech and ring work of a badass.... of course the 2 latter need improvement.
Originally posted by TheHulk
One very important thing to remember, Smackdown is the bonafide real A show now and has been consistently great. With that in mind, we all know how important the main event is and SD main event has been good weekly. Now take all that and because of Cena, yes Cena because this match was nothing but called down the middle type and we all know the veterans job is to take charge at times, the main event has been tainted and this give reason for people to point fingers at Cena and they are probably in the right to do so. It's like you said both can clearly do more and in Cena's first match...he decide to go through the garbage routine.....*sigh*....and again...Corbin's momentum. I will say this....with hindsight i can understand, yeah Cena needed a win and also you can market that the only person that beat Corbin was a 15 time world champion but c'mon...this main event tainted SD great record.Now with some time to think..they actually could have got Bray Wyatt to do it and since we had that Wyatt Family tear earlier on the show...it was almost no problem for Bray to lose to Cena alone with no help...
Bray REALLY doesn't need to lose any more than he has already. They finally put a belt on him, then spoil it with the whole Orton and Harper thing.
Don't get me wrong, I like American Alpha, and I do want to see where this whole Orton thing is going, but Bray has been dicked around for a while now. He needs to build some credibility.