Originally posted by Mr MasterBut based on feats,
This is true.The question is,
can MJJ sustain his Universe preventing the collapse?
I would say so.
The UN>Abraxas
MJJ>UN
Do we know if MJJ can generate a force =/> the UN, (which is the force required to defeat Abraxas)?
I know what MJJ had the potential to do, but lets just look at what he actually did if you don't mind. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
But based on feats,Do we know if MJJ can generate a force =/> the UN, (which is the force required to defeat Abraxas)?
I know that his weaker version created the Fury, who wasn't even scathed by the CN erasing the Universe he was in.
On Panel Merlyn said the CN would NOT be able to stop Jaspers.
The official bio states Jaspers 616 and Fury are both immune to Nullification.
Originally posted by Galan007
I know what MJJ had the potential to do, but lets just look at what he actually did if you don't mind. 🙂
What did I mention, that he hasn't done if you don't mind?
Jaspers 616 being able to resist the CN is a Canonical Fact.
So what are you getting at?
Btw.
CN and UN same thing.
They both nullifiy Space and Time.
The UN has been shown Nullifying the Multiverse.
The CN has Nullified Universes
and is stated to be able to erase any Universe in the Omniverse.
Theoretically,
the CN can erase the Omniverse, since the Life-Force Crystals of ALL the Universes in Marvel are in Roma's possession, accessed easily through the CN.
Originally posted by Mr MasterUniversal nullification, sure.
I know that his weaker version created the Fury, who wasn't even scathed by the CN erasing the Universe he was in.On Panel Merlyn said the CN would NOT be able to stop Jaspers.
The official bio states Jaspers 616 and Fury are both immune to Nullification.
But Multiversal Nullification?
I never saw any proof that they could have survived a force of that kind of magnitude. 😕
Originally posted by Mr MasterI wasn't getting at anything. 🙂
What did I mention, that he hasn't done if you don't mind?Jaspers 616 being able to resist the CN is a Canonical Fact.
So what are you getting at?
In our last debate, Jaspers potential kept being brought up.
And I just wanted to compare each characters actual feats this time.
Originally posted by Galan007
Universal nullification, sure.But Multiversal Nullification?
I never saw any proof that they could have survived a force of that kind of magnitude.
The thing is brother G,
If Jaspers can survive an attempt at Nullifying his Universe,
why would Nullifying other Universes affect him?
The UN energies can only affect him in the space he inhabits,
so erasing all the Realities outside his, would be for not.
This is why I said before, Nullification is Nullification.
Just different ranges of influence.
Originally posted by Galan007
I wasn't getting at anything. 🙂In our last debate, Jaspers potential kept being brought up.
And I just wanted to compare each characters actual feats this time.
Cool.
I won't get into his Omniversal potetntial, although he did sunder everything in a Future Cobweb saw where he wasn't stopped.
But that's another topic. 🙂
Originally posted by the Darkone
? Mr. Master where would Roma, Merlin be in the hierarchy of the MU.
IMO
Merlyn is in the top 5. (of the other 4, only LT is surely more powerful)
Roma's has never demonstrated the kind of power that would impress me enough to make her a Merlyn equal.
But Roma is powerful, no doubt.
Absolute control of Time is a big one of her abilities.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI understand what you're saying.
The thing is brother G,If Jaspers can survive an attempt at Nullifying his Universe,
why would Nullifying other Universes affect him?
The UN energies can only affect him in the space he inhabits,
so erasing all the Realities outside his, would be for not.
This is why I said before, Nullification is Nullification.
Just different ranges of influence.
But this is what I'm wondering...
If Reed fired the power of the UN at MJJ himself, and wasn't trying to affect any other Universes, (kind of like what Quasar did to Magus, but to a larger scale)...
Could this single Multiversal destroying blast Nullify MJJ?
But I guess that's not the point anyway 😂
MJJ would need to generate that kind of power, just to have a chance at destroying Abraxas.
And I've never seen MJJ generate a concussive blast capable of destroying the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Btw.CN and UN same thing.
They both nullifiy Space and Time.
The UN has been shown Nullifying the Multiverse.
The CN has Nullified Universes
and is stated to be able to erase any Universe in the Omniverse.
Theoretically,
the CN can erase the Omniverse, since the Life-Force Crystals of ALL the Universes in Marvel are in Roma's possession, accessed easily through the CN.
We can also ask ourselves if the UN could theoretically, destroy the omniverse, (there has to be a great many crystals in the CN I would hate to go break them all)
Was merlyn thoughts on MJJ resisting universal nullification more speculation then fact??? just curious.
And to Galan destroying the multiverse isn't enough you need to remake it to, if we are to follow the on panel profe, so that abraxas would never have existed.
Originally posted by Galan007
If Reed fired the power of the UN at MJJ himself, and wasn't trying to affect any other Universes, (kind of like what Quasar did to Magus, but to a larger scale)...Could this single Multiversal destroying blast Nullify MJJ?
Good question, impossible to accurately answer. 🙁
The only thing I have to go on is knowing Merlyn could have blasted the Multiverse to pieces, and he said his power was not enough.
Originally posted by Galan007
But I guess that's not the point anyway 😂MJJ would need to generate that kind of power, just to have a chance at destroying Abraxas.
True,
but Abraxas was not able to destroy the Multiverse on a whim,
he had to enter each Reality in order to collapse it.
Merlyn on the other hand could have destroyed the Multiverse on a whim,
and wasn't able to stop Jaspers so ....
I smell a stalemate, until Jaspers' power expands to beyond the Multiverse. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
And I've never seen MJJ generate a concussive blast capable of destroying the Multiverse.
But you did see him collapse the Omniverse in a future seen by Cobweb where Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury. 😛
Originally posted by Utrigita
We can also ask ourselves if the UN could theoretically, destroy the omniverse,
No we could not. 🙂
There's no evidence to suggest that.
How ever there is evidence to strongly suggest the CN could erase the Omniverse.
Originally posted by Utrigita
(there has to be a great many crystals in the CN I would hate to go break them all)
dontgetit
Originally posted by Utrigita
Was merlyn thoughts on MJJ resisting universal nullification more speculation then fact??? just curious.
The Fury survived Nullification On Panel of his Universe.
Merlyn stated Jaspers 616 could not be stopped by Nullifying his Universe.
The Official Bio certifies this as a fact.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And to Galan destroying the multiverse isn't enough you need to remake it to, if we are to follow the on panel profe, so that abraxas would never have existed.
Merlyn could do that, and said he didn't have the power to stop Jaspers.
Only the plot device (Fury) was able.