Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's good enough for me. 😄
I smell a stalemate
Originally posted by Mr MasterDamn you! 😠
But you did see him collapse the Omniverse in a future seen by Cobweb where Jaspers was not stopped by the Fury. 😛
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A side question....
Why the hell didn't Galactus use the UN instead of Reed, during the Abraxas arch?
I have a hard time believing Reed could have destroyed Abraxas with it, but G couldn't have. 😕
Originally posted by Mr Master
No we could not. 🙂There's no evidence to suggest that.
How ever there is evidence to strongly suggest the CN could erase the Omniverse.
dontgetit
The Fury survived Nullification On Panel of his Universe.
Merlyn stated Jaspers 616 could not be stopped by Nullifying his Universe.
The Official Bio certifies this as a fact.
Merlyn could do that, and said he didn't have the power to stop Jaspers.
Only the plot device (Fury) was able.
We don't know for sure if merlyn could have stopped him, as far as you said yourself in GEB vs bla bla, LT is rivaled by Merlyn in themes of power, you would equal the two but would you put MJJ above LT I certainly hope you aren't. Yet the way merlyn acts are very much like LT through pawns in this incident Fury which he knew would follow Captain Britain and that the fury then would kill MJJ.
Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals
(mr Master replies)= Yes.
(did I leave something out 😕 )
And this isn't fury we are discussing is it ???
So basically you break one crystal in the CN and bang a universe is gone okay how many universes make up a multiverse then a megaverse and then the omniverse, and again only in theory can the CN destroy the Omniverse it would take a lot of time but it can yet I doesn't see why the UN couldn't in theory become as powerful destroying a multiverse in a instante, what if another instead of reed had pulled the trigger Quasar would in theory have used it better perhaps have destroyed more (and remake the multiverse was "all" that was required to get rid of Abraxas.
Good Night Sleep Well both of you If guy222 comes on give him my regards 😄
Originally posted by Galan007
That's good enough for me. 😄Damn you! 😠
😛
A side question....
Why the hell didn't Galactus use the UN instead of Reed, during the Abraxas arch?
I have a hard time believing Reed could have destroyed Abraxas with it, but G couldn't have. 😕
I believe Galactus dropped it of all things, the entire scene can be viewed in the galactus respect thread.
Originally posted by Galan007
Nope.Galactus specifically handed the UN to Reed.
On panel ???
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26iq3.jpg
Galactus takes it
http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27jm6.jpg
Galactus doesn't have it any longer! When did reed get it, and when did Galactus gave it to him perhaps something is missing.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's good enough for me. 😄
😎
Originally posted by Galan007
Damn you! 😠
😂
Originally posted by Galan007
A side question....Why the hell didn't Galactus use the UN instead of Reed, during the Abraxas arch?
I have a hard time believing Reed could have destroyed Abraxas with it, but G couldn't have.
As soon as Galactus got his hands on it, Nova flew through Galactus' dome piece,
Big G dropped it, or better yet, "it fell" into Reed's hands.
Was that intentional?
I don't know but I don't think so.
Originally posted by Utrigita
We don't know for sure if merlyn could have stopped him,
True.
But the only evidence we have is that he couldn't.
Originally posted by Utrigita
as far as you said yourself in GEB vs bla bla, LT is rivaled by Merlyn in themes of power,
I never said that.
I said Merlyn rivals LT in terms of STATUS.
I clearly followed that with,
"LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"
Originally posted by Utrigita
you would equal the two but would you put MJJ above LT I certainly hope you aren't.
Well since Merlyn does NOT equal LT in power, I don't know what you're saying.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet the way merlyn acts are very much like LT through pawns in this incident Fury which he knew would follow Captain Britain and that the fury then would kill MJJ.
Like I said,
there's only proof that Merlyn did not have the power to stop Jaspers.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals(mr Master replies)= Yes.
(did I leave something out)
Yea,
like the rest of my post.
(mr Master replies)= "Yes
LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"
Originally posted by Utrigita
And this isn't fury we are discussing is it ???
The Fury was created by a weaker version of Jaspers and survived Nullification.
616 Jaspers is FAR more powerful than his 238 counter-part.
Jaspers 616 was immune to Nullification,
Merlyn said, the bio states it,
nuff said.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So basically you break one crystal in the CN and bang a universe is gone okay how many universes make up a multiverse then a megaverse and then the omniverse,
Who say's they have to break them one at a time.
Roma can switch on all the Crystals and boom it's over.
Originally posted by Utrigita
and again only in theory can the CN destroy the Omniverse it would take a lot of time but it can
It doesn't necessarily need to take a long time.
These aren't Humans messing with this weapon.
This is Roma and Saturnyne, extremely powerful beings, that can gather all those Crystals in no time, with a gesture I'm sure.
Did you really think they would have to go one by one like two wet backs? glare
Originally posted by Utrigita
yet I doesn't see why the UN couldn't in theory become as powerful destroying a multiverse in a instante,
Perhaps it could,
but there's NO evidence to suggest that.
Originally posted by Utrigita
what if another instead of reed had pulled the trigger Quasar would in theory have used it better perhaps have destroyed more (and remake the multiverse was "all" that was required to get rid of Abraxas.
It's plausible,
but we're speculating now.
Originally posted by Mr Master
True.But the only evidence we have is that he couldn't.
I never said that.
I said Merlyn rivals LT in terms of STATUS.
I clearly followed that with,
"LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"
Well since Merlyn does NOT equal LT in power, I don't know what you're saying.
Like I said,
there's only proof that Merlyn did not have the power to stop Jaspers.
Yea,
like the rest of my post.
(mr Master replies)= "Yes
LT is still the Ultimate Judge, the most powerful of all"
The Fury was created by a weaker version of Jaspers and survived Nullification.
616 Jaspers is FAR more powerful than his 238 counter-part.
Jaspers 616 was immune to Nullification,
Merlyn said, the bio states it,
nuff said.
Who say's they have to break them one at a time.
Roma can switch on all the Crystals and boom it's over.
It doesn't necessarily need to take a long time.
These aren't Humans messing with this weapon.
This is Roma and Saturnyne, extremely powerful beings, that can gather all those Crystals in no time, with a gesture I'm sure.
Did you really think they would have to go one by one like two wet backs? glare
Perhaps it could,
but there's NO evidence to suggest that.
It's plausible,
but we're speculating now.
Good replies, to the last that is what this thread/forum is about speculating, and perhaps they would break them one at the time, when 258 MJJ was nullified that was the impression gain by the scan.
quick question was it bio ore on panel that MJJ was immune to nullification???
Originally posted by Utrigita
Good replies,
🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
to the last that is what this thread/forum is about speculating,
No doubt, but specualtion doesn't hold much weight.
Originally posted by Utrigita
and perhaps they would break them one at the time, when 258 MJJ was nullified that was the impression gain by the scan.
I'm sure they can,
but I'm sure they can break more than one at a time aswell.
I mean their like 3 - 4 inches long:
"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"
Originally posted by Utrigita
quick question was it bio ore on panel that MJJ was immune to nullification???
"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"
"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"
"A WHOLE UNIVERSE! ... He just WIPED OUT a WHOLE UNIVERSE at the flick of a switch"
The Fury survived his Universe being Nullified, without a scratch:
If Nullification would have been possible,
they would have repeated the process,
after all, that's how 238 Jaspers was defeated.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So not 100% on panel but rather in the bio okay
Actually 100% On Panel, ok.
Merlin says,
"I stretched your sanity to the breaking point,
to prepare you for a Universe (238) Reduced to Idiocy"
the Omniversal Tribune Erased 238, as I showed above.
Merlin says about Cap. Britain,
"I sent you to a lesser menace (Jaspers 238) and you were Killed"
Merlin says,
"You cannot fail, this version of Japers is too powerful, too dangerous"
They had to destroy the entire 238 Universe in order to kill 238 Jaspers,
but 616 Jaspers is "NOT so easily contained, and if he's not stopped,
the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos,
and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"
There it is, On Panel, Jaspers can NOT be affected by Nullification.
Again, it's common sense, they would have Nullified him if it was possible,
just like they did 238 Jaspers. 🙂
Originally posted by UtrigitaThe exact blast Quasar fired at Magus, wouldn't do shit.
okay cool would still like to see the blast fired from quasar hitting MJJ ore Fury
Now take the blast Reed used, and focus that into one concussive beam of energy, and then I think it could take out MJJ or Fury.
I'm still not 100% sure that MJJ could survive a Multiversal destroying force that concentrated.
Sure Merlyn could have taken out the Multiverse as a whole, but he couldn't have concentrated that kind of power, into one burst of energy.
So it's up in the air IMO.
Originally posted by Galan007
The exact blast Quasar fired at Magus, wouldn't do shit.
I agree.
Originally posted by Galan007
Now take the blast Reed used, and focus that into one concussive beam of energy, and then I think it could take out MJJ or Fury.
I disagree.
The UN blast that took out the Multiverse,
is no more powerful than the UN blast that was supposed to take out Magus.
Again,
Nullification is Nullification, it's only a difference of Range.
If the UN is set to Nullify a single person, it Nullifies one person.
If the UN is set to Nullify the Universe, it Nullifies the Universe.
If the UN is set to Nullify the Multiverse, it Nullifies the Multiverse.
In all instances the same action is taking place, Nullification.
The only difference?
Amount of AREA being Nullified. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm still not 100% sure that MJJ could survive a Multiversal destroying force that concentrated.
There's no evidence to suggest that the UN uses more power to erase a Universe than to erase a single person.
So there's no such thing as a Multiversal destroying blast that can be concentrated into a single beam, by the UN.
The UN Nullifies Time & Space,
whether that Time and Space is confined to ONE person or the Universe,
it carries out the same purpose ... to Nullify.
Originally posted by Galan007
Sure Merlyn could have taken out the Multiverse as a whole, but he couldn't have concentrated that kind of power, into one burst of energy.
How do you know that?
If Necrom could have collapse the Multiverse into a singularity,
in an instant with the Energy Matrix, according to Merlyn,
why wouldn't Merlyn be able to do it?
btw. Merlyn allowed Captain Britain to absorb a portion of his Energy Matrix and as you know, Brian was able to REBUILD the Multiverse, on panel.
Originally posted by Galan007
So it's up in the air IMO.
😉
Originally posted by Utrigita
We don't know for sure if merlyn could have stopped him, as far as you said yourself in GEB vs bla bla, LT is rivaled by Merlyn in themes of power, you would equal the two but would you put MJJ above LT I certainly hope you aren't. Yet the way merlyn acts are very much like LT through pawns in this incident Fury which he knew would follow Captain Britain and that the fury then would kill MJJ.Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals(mr Master replies)= Yes.
(did I leave something out 😕 )And this isn't fury we are discussing is it ???
So basically you break one crystal in the CN and bang a universe is gone okay how many universes make up a multiverse then a megaverse and then the omniverse, and again only in theory can the CN destroy the Omniverse it would take a lot of time but it can yet I doesn't see why the UN couldn't in theory become as powerful destroying a multiverse in a instante, what if another instead of reed had pulled the trigger Quasar would in theory have used it better perhaps have destroyed more (and remake the multiverse was "all" that was required to get rid of Abraxas.
Good Night Sleep Well both of you If guy222 comes on give him my regards 😄
Good day to u 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterHas Merlyn ever shown the ability to concentrate a "Multiversal destroying blast" at a single being? 😕
How do you know that?If Necrom could have collapse the Multiverse into a singularity,
in an instant with the Energy Matrix, according to Merlyn,
why wouldn't Merlyn be able to do it?
If not, then that's how I know that. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Has Merlyn ever shown the ability to concentrate a "Multiversal destroying blast" at a single being?
Who has ever done that?
Certainly not the UN.
Show me one instance where a character claimed to be releasing a Multiversal destroying blast at any one target?
Merlyn created Otherworld with a thought.
Otherworld is practically a Multiverse, though it's referred to as a Universe.
But it can't be just any Universe because the Starlight Citidel houses Universes.
And the Starlight Citidel is in Otherworld.
And yes, Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel aswell.
Originally posted by Galan007
If not, then that's how I know that.
So do you know who has?
Originally posted by Mr Masterhum
Who has ever done that?Certainly not the UN.
Show me one instance where a character claimed to be releasing a Multiversal destroying blast at any one target?
Merlyn created Otherworld with a thought.
Otherworld is practically a Multiverse, though it's referred to as a Universe.
But it can't be just any Universe because the Starlight Citidel houses Universes.
And the Starlight Citidel is in Otherworld.
And yes, Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel aswell.
So do you know who has?
Did I say anyone has?
I just meant that because Merlyn has not done this, I won't assume he could. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
humDid I say anyone has?
Well you're alluding to the notion that the UN can so ... shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
I just meant that because Merlyn has not done this, I won't assume he could.
But No one has.
So then IYO no one can.
Certain sensible assumptions are born out of logic based of facts rather than just an account that took place.
In this case we are forced to, because of the lack of evidence on either side.
If Merlyn can create a device that connects the Life-Force of every Universe in the Omniverse, in order to give others the capability to erase any of those Universes with the flick of a switch,
I have to logically assume Merlyn has the power and authority to erase any or all Universes.
If Merlyn can create a Universe, that houses COUNTLESS Universes in an instant,
I have to logically assume Merlyn can erase COUNTLESS Universes just like he Created them.
If a portion of the Energy Matrix can REVERSE a Multiversal collapse and REBUILD the Multiverse effortlessly,
then I must logically assume that the FULL Power of the Matrix can do much, much more. 🙂
