Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Not to mention that Spidey doesn't have enough strenght to hurt Venom on a "higher scale".Edit:Current Venom is much stronger then the classic one......
Some how Spidey beat the current Venom and a couple of thunderbolts... So even if venom should win in theory, it doesn't look like he's going to.
Originally posted by llagrok
Some how Spidey beat the current Venom and a couple of thunderbolts... So even if venom should win in theory, it doesn't look like he's going to.
Spidey Beat Scorpion-Venom who IMO sucks.
Eddie Brock is too much for Spider to handle, even with DD's radar and Cap's experience.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
The ONLY reason why Spider-Man has trouble with Venom, is because his spider-sense - which is an important fighting tool - doesn't work when fighting Venom.So basically, it's always a handicapped Spider-Man vs a full potential Venom. And Spider-Man has kicked around Venom lots of times...
Scarlet Spider's spider sense worked just fine. But it didn't stop Venom from almost killing him with one strike.
And spider sense wouldn't make much of a diference since Spider-man just can't hurt Venom. Besides Spidey has better reflexes than any other street-leveler, so spider sense is not such a big loss...
Originally posted by Sam Z
Scarlet Spider's spider sense worked just fine. But it didn't stop Venom from almost killing him with one strike.
And spider sense wouldn't make much of a diference since Spider-man just can't hurt Venom. Besides Spidey has better reflexes than any other street-leveler, so spider sense is not such a big loss...
Thank you come again.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Sigh... Scarlet Spider, whose spider-sense worked just fine, beat Venom without plot device, which proves what I'm saying.Thank you come again.
Scarlet Spider's efforts to hurt Venom were useless.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6816624
Venom almost killed Scarlet Spider with ONE strike, but Scream interfered and saved him, notice how Spider sense didn't help him.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6816565
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6816575
Later Venom almost killed both Scarlet Spider and Skream.
Scarlet Spider defeated Venom twice. First by using some sorta sonic device and second time KOed Eddie Brock while his face wasn't covered with symbiote.
Spider-man's punches are as useless against Venom as Scarlet's.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6889047
Which brings us back to my first argument. Spider-man is not going to beat Venom with his brute strength alone, not even with Cap's exp and DD's radar.
Thank you, come again.
Re: Spidey w/ Skills vs Venom
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosLet's get this a bit right here.
Spiderman has the fighting skill of Captain America, Batman and Daredevil downloaded into his brain.He is also granted Daredevil's radar sense in place of his Spidey sense.
Spidey gets time to train in the Xmen's Danger Room until he can use the radar sense and his skill as well as Daredevil.
So is Spidey a potential match for Eddie Brock as Venom?
DD's sense isn't better than Spiderman's sense in straight combat, but then again he can't use it, so I wasn't sure if he was going to use it regardless.
Spiderman has had plot devices to beat Venom, but Venom has had plot devices as well, because Spiderman almost never goes out or is distracted. Venom going all out will beat Spiderman going all out (if it's Eddie Brock), because he was meant to beat Spiderman. Spiderman has thrashed Venom going all out before when the host was Angelo.
Nowadays however I'd say that Spiderman is used to Venom enough where he won't be hopeless against him, he should be able to last awhile, or buy some time because of Venom's style of fighting, Venom is a brawler.
Though I don't know how MA skills will help with someone like Venom, because blunt force trauma doesn't do much against him. Batman, Cap, and DD would get thrashed in a straight up fight with Spiderman or Venom.
But then again current Spiderman is upgraded alot. My only thing is that the MA skills won't really help him much in the first place. So I don't believe that will help him in this match.
Originally posted by Sam Z
Scarlet Spider defeated Venom twice.
First by using some sorta sonic device and second time KOed Eddie Brock while his face wasn't covered with symbiote.
If that's a plot device, 95 pct of the Fantastic Four or Batman victories are plot devices.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Like I said.
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I hope you're not gonna call that a plot device. That's using your brains.If that's a plot device, 95 pct of the Fantastic Four or Batman victories are plot devices.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Spider-man doesn't get any sonic guns in this fight and unless Venom will act stupid and open Eddie's face for attacks (which he isn't going to do) there's nothing Spider-man would be able to do to KO him and skills wouldn't do him much good.
And spidersense didn't help Scarlet Spider much in the fight, so DD's radar won't be much of a help as well.
And big amount of Batman's victories ARE plot devices. Especially when he fights without prep against super powered villains.
People here really underestimate venom. He if far above Spider man. His only saving grace is a plot device.
Venom has
Lifted tanks
ferris wheels
battled Juggernaut
battles hulk
beat thing
beat human torch
defeated carnage on several occasions
merged with himself to become twice as strong
took the carnage symbiote back
defeated carnage on several occassions.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
People here really underestimate venom. He if far above Spider man. His only saving grace is a plot device.
Venom has
Lifted tanks
ferris wheels
battled Juggernaut
battles hulk
beat thing
beat human torch
defeated carnage on several occasions
merged with himself to become twice as strong
took the carnage symbiote back
defeated carnage on several occassions.
For example : he TRIED to beat Juggernaut, but was humiliated, and was almost killed. Spider-Man beat Juggernaut.
For example : he TRIED to put up a decent fight against Hulk. Spider-Man beat the Hulk on more than one occasion.
And so on. I'd like to see him against Absorbing Man. Or the Sinister Six. Or Morlun. Or Titania. Or Firelord. Or... well you get the idea.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyHe beat Hulk with speed alone. As far as the juggs fight, Venom wasn't fighting to full potential because of the whole madness problem. The second time was a different story. Venom can take class one hundred punches and come back for more. Spiderman still has the problem of actually hurting him. Plot devices are his saving grace.
You want to compare Spider-Mans high end feats with Venom high end feats ? I wouldn't do that if I were you.For example : he TRIED to beat Juggernaut, but was humiliated, and was almost killed. Spider-Man beat Juggernaut.
For example : he TRIED to put up a decent fight against Hulk. Spider-Man beat the Hulk on more than one occasion.
And so on. I'd like to see him against Absorbing Man. Or the Sinister Six. Or Morlun. Or Titania. Or Firelord. Or... well you get the idea.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdyfirelord 🙄, biggest tripe ever written. without plot device, hes not winning.
You want to compare Spider-Mans high end feats with Venom high end feats ? I wouldn't do that if I were you.For example : he TRIED to beat Juggernaut, but was humiliated, and was almost killed. Spider-Man beat Juggernaut.
For example : he TRIED to put up a decent fight against Hulk. Spider-Man beat the Hulk on more than one occasion.
And so on. I'd like to see him against Absorbing Man. Or the Sinister Six. Or Morlun. Or Titania. Or Firelord. Or... well you get the idea.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
You want to compare Spider-Mans high end feats with Venom high end feats ? I wouldn't do that if I were you.For example : he TRIED to beat Juggernaut, but was humiliated, and was almost killed. Spider-Man beat Juggernaut.
For example : he TRIED to put up a decent fight against Hulk. Spider-Man beat the Hulk on more than one occasion.
And so on. I'd like to see him against Absorbing Man. Or the Sinister Six. Or Morlun. Or Titania. Or Firelord. Or... well you get the idea.